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There seem to be two things going on here.
1.) OP fantastically overpaid for this server hardware when he bought it.
2.) OP refuses to believe that PC hardware depreciates faster than pretty much anything out there.
He also seems to think that his POS system is better somehow than the exact same stuff on eBay for less than a tenth of the price, when it is all the same.
Have I got this right?
Anyone who has ever bought or sold anything online has run into the human bias thing where people overvalue what they are trying to sell, and undervalue what they are trying to buy. In most cases aren't trying to manipulate people, they actually believe what they are saying, because the human brain is great at foolingh itself into believing things that are in our own favor.
In this case, OP is completely delusional.
It does not matter what you have. It was a pretty cool system at one point, but it is a decade old. No matter how much it cost when it was new, or how fancy or capable it was when it was new, or how much you have used it (this isn't a car, mileage doesn't matter). After a decade any computer/tech hardware has depreciated to the point where it has next to no value.
You might find someone with a very special case need out there, that has some industrial control system that is validated for a specific vintage of hardware and needs to keep it going, and thus might find value in it, but that is going to be the exception rather than the norm. Most are going to buy newer hardware.
And that's even if this vintage of hardware didn't have unpatchable hardware security flaws (Spectre and Meltdown) which limits how they can safely be used. For instance, the isolation between VM's and the host (or other VM's) breaks down, limiting their secure usefulness. There are partial patches, but they kill performance in a serious way making the systems significantly slower than when they were new. And has been mentioned, VMWare is ending support for this generation of hardware in the near future.
Most business users decommed this generation of hardware years ago. That's when most of us bought it cheap, after the enterprise users decommissioned it. Now some of us enthusiasts - like myself - are still using this vintage hardware, but even most of us have moved on. I still have an Ivy Bridge server. I stayed at that gen, in large part because that's as far as I could take my considerable investment in DDR3 RAM, and wasn't relishing having to buy all new DDR4.
Because I didn't want to buy all new DDR4, I gave my server a last huzzah upgrade back in 2019, when I bought a couple of E5-2650v2's to drop in dirt cheap on eBay, just to hold me over until I was ready to upgrade. Even back then they were dirt cheap, and they are both clocked higher and have double the cores and quadruple the threads compared to the low end E5-2609 v2's you are trying to sell.
If you are swapping out the motherboard, processors, and RAM, what is left? A shitty optical drive ($5) an old server case ($35) some used drives no one wants, a RAID card and some heatsinks?
The motherboard, CPU's and RAM is where most of the value in a system is, and those have long since lost their value.
Most of the remaining value now is likely in that RAID card, but only if you can find the right buyer. Most of us don't use that shit anymore, especially not Areca stuff, but for some who have important old systems up and running and need to replace a dead card, like for like, you could probably still get like $200 for that card. There was a recent sale of a new in box one for $299, but used out of the box, it is going to get less money, and you are probably going to struggle to find the right buyer for it.
As it stands, this server has very little value left. A couple of hundred bucks in total to the right hobby tinkerer who is going to rip it apart for parts.
You are getting dangerously close to your only option being to pay an electronics recycler to get rid of it.
You are asking too much for this shit, even for 2018, and in 2022 its positively laughable.
I don't know if someone scammed you when you paid what you did, but that doesn't mean anyone else is going to want to make a similarly foolish mistake. That vintage hardware is one and a half feet in the grave already.
It's time for you to cut your losses man.
Just for shits and giggles, here are some recently sold E5-2609 V2's on eBay:
$4.95 per CPU, or a lot of 23 for $49.99 lol.
Supermicro X9 generation motherboards are selling on ebay for as low as $35
4x8GB Registered DDR3 server RAM is selling for $25.
These are actual sold prices on eBay within the last two weeks.
No, it does not have greater value because you are selling it as a "complete system". Most buyers of this tech want to build their own anyway. If they wanted a complete system, they would be buying Dell/HP rack servers used.
When this thread was new, two and a half years ago, you could probably have gotten $450 if you dealt with a local buyer who happened to need some of the parts in this thing.
Now in late 2022, my recommendation to you would be to try to sell the RAID card for $150 to $200 separately, then either give away the rest, or move it to your spare parts bin.
That's about the best you are going to do. No one is going to pay what you are asking. You overpaid for it when you bought it, and any value it then had (which was much less than you paid) has since depreciated. And its going to get worse the longer you wait. That RAID card won't hold it's value forever. (I'm actually surprised it still has any value at all)
1.) OP fantastically overpaid for this server hardware when he bought it.
2.) OP refuses to believe that PC hardware depreciates faster than pretty much anything out there.
He also seems to think that his POS system is better somehow than the exact same stuff on eBay for less than a tenth of the price, when it is all the same.
Have I got this right?
Anyone who has ever bought or sold anything online has run into the human bias thing where people overvalue what they are trying to sell, and undervalue what they are trying to buy. In most cases aren't trying to manipulate people, they actually believe what they are saying, because the human brain is great at foolingh itself into believing things that are in our own favor.
In this case, OP is completely delusional.
It does not matter what you have. It was a pretty cool system at one point, but it is a decade old. No matter how much it cost when it was new, or how fancy or capable it was when it was new, or how much you have used it (this isn't a car, mileage doesn't matter). After a decade any computer/tech hardware has depreciated to the point where it has next to no value.
You might find someone with a very special case need out there, that has some industrial control system that is validated for a specific vintage of hardware and needs to keep it going, and thus might find value in it, but that is going to be the exception rather than the norm. Most are going to buy newer hardware.
And that's even if this vintage of hardware didn't have unpatchable hardware security flaws (Spectre and Meltdown) which limits how they can safely be used. For instance, the isolation between VM's and the host (or other VM's) breaks down, limiting their secure usefulness. There are partial patches, but they kill performance in a serious way making the systems significantly slower than when they were new. And has been mentioned, VMWare is ending support for this generation of hardware in the near future.
Most business users decommed this generation of hardware years ago. That's when most of us bought it cheap, after the enterprise users decommissioned it. Now some of us enthusiasts - like myself - are still using this vintage hardware, but even most of us have moved on. I still have an Ivy Bridge server. I stayed at that gen, in large part because that's as far as I could take my considerable investment in DDR3 RAM, and wasn't relishing having to buy all new DDR4.
Because I didn't want to buy all new DDR4, I gave my server a last huzzah upgrade back in 2019, when I bought a couple of E5-2650v2's to drop in dirt cheap on eBay, just to hold me over until I was ready to upgrade. Even back then they were dirt cheap, and they are both clocked higher and have double the cores and quadruple the threads compared to the low end E5-2609 v2's you are trying to sell.
If you are swapping out the motherboard, processors, and RAM, what is left? A shitty optical drive ($5) an old server case ($35) some used drives no one wants, a RAID card and some heatsinks?
The motherboard, CPU's and RAM is where most of the value in a system is, and those have long since lost their value.
Most of the remaining value now is likely in that RAID card, but only if you can find the right buyer. Most of us don't use that shit anymore, especially not Areca stuff, but for some who have important old systems up and running and need to replace a dead card, like for like, you could probably still get like $200 for that card. There was a recent sale of a new in box one for $299, but used out of the box, it is going to get less money, and you are probably going to struggle to find the right buyer for it.
As it stands, this server has very little value left. A couple of hundred bucks in total to the right hobby tinkerer who is going to rip it apart for parts.
You are getting dangerously close to your only option being to pay an electronics recycler to get rid of it.
You are asking too much for this shit, even for 2018, and in 2022 its positively laughable.
I don't know if someone scammed you when you paid what you did, but that doesn't mean anyone else is going to want to make a similarly foolish mistake. That vintage hardware is one and a half feet in the grave already.
It's time for you to cut your losses man.
Just for shits and giggles, here are some recently sold E5-2609 V2's on eBay:
$4.95 per CPU, or a lot of 23 for $49.99 lol.
Supermicro X9 generation motherboards are selling on ebay for as low as $35
4x8GB Registered DDR3 server RAM is selling for $25.
These are actual sold prices on eBay within the last two weeks.
No, it does not have greater value because you are selling it as a "complete system". Most buyers of this tech want to build their own anyway. If they wanted a complete system, they would be buying Dell/HP rack servers used.
When this thread was new, two and a half years ago, you could probably have gotten $450 if you dealt with a local buyer who happened to need some of the parts in this thing.
Now in late 2022, my recommendation to you would be to try to sell the RAID card for $150 to $200 separately, then either give away the rest, or move it to your spare parts bin.
That's about the best you are going to do. No one is going to pay what you are asking. You overpaid for it when you bought it, and any value it then had (which was much less than you paid) has since depreciated. And its going to get worse the longer you wait. That RAID card won't hold it's value forever. (I'm actually surprised it still has any value at all)
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