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Steam UI responsiveness

darksonic said:
Contrarian hipster over here. Look at me, I dislike something that's popular!
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Don't be an idiot, I've had my Steam account since 2004, have tons of purchases, thousands upon thousands of hours logged overall, and it's open probably a good 95% of the time if my computer is on.


What part of that equates to it being absolutely flawless? The internal web browser takes so long to start in game that trades in TF2 sometimes time out the first time I try, that's just shitty. Scrolling up and down the store home in the Steam browser, the CPU usage for Steam jumps to 40%... on an overclocked Q6600. Chrome, handling the exact same page, is low single digits in comparison.

I'll always buy on Steam if it's a possibility, but that doesn't change the fact that the internal browser performance is horse shit for me. Given that it uses Webkit, much like Chrome, why does it struggle so much? It isn't unusable by any means, but it's a problem that shouldn't exist.
 
darksonic said:
Pathetic.
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lol, this guy

darksonic said:
But guess what? Despite all these issues, it's still the best digital distribution platform available. For people to come out and compare Steam to Origin and say "Well the UI is a little clunky" is hilarious. thousand.

There's no vindication here. Any time someone brings up a negative aspect of Steam, there's always somebody that will cry out, "WATCH OUT FOR FANBOYS LOLOLOL" and it's pathetic. We're not fan boys of anything - we're a fan of a superior platform.
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What's your point? The guy is using a similar service to illustrate the issue more clearly, not saying one is intrinsically better. Un-bunch them (and yes, there is vindication since the guy satirised the mindset many have which is to jump to the defence of their dearest and favouritestest DD client without actually considering the point being made. Which is what you're [still] doing).

Trolling or genuinely thick, whichever the case it doesn't earn any more responses, I'm sorry. "I would rather not use any DRM clients, none of them are ideal" PATHETIC PATHETIC. 4 serious? Haw.
 
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Dion said:
Spoken like a true fanboy.

I use steam, gfwl, origin because they are forced on me. I barely have issues with any of them. I'd rather there was no service required for any games.
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Or at least more than one service.

All the short sighted "steam only forevar!!!111" and "I will only buy on teh steamZ or Gabe will no love me!!1" people don't seem to notice that in a monopoly, a company doesn't have to do crap. If there was more of a fire under valves ass, they wouldn't be able to have all these annoying little problems, for years, and do absolutely nothing about them. They'd have to fix their shit, or lose out to the competition. Also further down the line, with retail sales gone, and a single entity controlling prices... Yeah thats going to be great. "Oh thank you, magnificent lord Gabe III for letting me have this game for $250. My heathen friend said to wait for it to be $200. But do not ban me, Gabe III, I had faith, I reported him to the mods for his logic crime so they may render justice!!!" :eek:
 
DeathPrincess said:
Or at least more than one service.

All the short sighted "steam only forevar!!!111" and "I will only buy on teh steamZ or Gabe will no love me!!1" people don't seem to notice that in a monopoly, a company doesn't have to do crap.
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It's a good thing that there isn't a monopoly, and that a monopoly on an internet service such as Steam / Origin is an impossibility, seeing as how a real monopoly would be caused by the monopolizing company buying out or forcing out competition, which isn't what Valve does.
 
Dion said:
Spoken like a true fanboy.
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So admitting it does have issues but still liking it because it's the best is being a fanboy?

News flash Sherlock, but nothing is perfect, so if you like something by your logic that makes you a fanboy too. :rolleyes:
 
Interesting, the UI is certainly very responsive for me, in fact i'd say perceivably it's instant. But then I have an overclocked 2600k @ 4.7Ghz. I have a proper 120hz monitor arriving tomorrow so it will be interesting to see if there is any noticeable lag with a faster panel.

I've not noticed the CPU usage before but it's certainly there, if you scroll up and down mega fast you can cause the CPU performance to rocket, it will use nearly 100% of one core for me. Obviously this is not "normal" use, it's scrolling so fast it's unreadable so for anyone with a good CPU this is actually a non-issue.

It all boils down to it essentially being a webpage which is rendered on a CPU, it's just one of the worst ways to get that kind of large amount of multi-media onto the screen from a technology standpoint, CPUs a very bad at rendering media (Flash and Video are both moving towards GPU rendering for example) and HTML is just...ugh...even with a "fast" browser like chrome, it's still just awful.
 
DeathPrincess said:
All the short sighted "steam only forevar!!!111" and "I will only buy on teh steamZ or Gabe will no love me!!1" people don't seem to notice that in a monopoly, a company doesn't have to do crap. If there was more of a fire under valves ass, they wouldn't be able to have all these annoying little problems, for years, and do absolutely nothing about them. They'd have to fix their shit, or lose out to the competition. Also further down the line, with retail sales gone, and a single entity controlling prices... Yeah thats going to be great. "Oh thank you, magnificent lord Gabe III for letting me have this game for $250. My heathen friend said to wait for it to be $200. But do not ban me, Gabe III, I had faith, I reported him to the mods for his logic crime so they may render justice!!!" :eek:
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This is a joke, right? Competition is good, but the market will always sway towards the greater good. If Steam ever became an evil platform people would move away from it. Valve got Steam to where it is by being good to their customers and offering amazing prices and services that outweigh the negative sides of DRM. Nobody will deny that Steam is DRM. What they will say is that it doesn't matter because it is nearly transparent.

castun said:
So admitting it does have issues but still liking it because it's the best is being a fanboy?

News flash Sherlock, but nothing is perfect, so if you like something by your logic that makes you a fanboy too. :rolleyes:
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Don't bother. You cannot sway the opinion of someone swimming in their own BS.

Dion said:
Ya DRM free games.. How pathetic is that.
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Like I said, the positives outweigh the negatives. I'll take Steam's DRM over patch hunting any day of the week. Because installing multiple Battlefield patches one after the other, in a specific order, was FUN, right?
 
darksonic said:
If Steam ever became an evil platform people would move away from it. Valve got Steam to where it is by being good to their customers and offering amazing prices and services that outweigh the negative sides of DRM. Nobody will deny that Steam is DRM. What they will say is that it doesn't matter because it is nearly transparent.
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So...if steam was the only download service like the "steam only" people want...thus a monopoly, where would these people be going to? Do you seriously think that if they were the only platform they wouldn't abuse the shit out of it?

The companies selling the games set the prices, not valve through the goodness of their bleeding hearts. Nor is valve beyond bullshit. Look at the adverts on CS server debacle. People complained in droves. What did valve do? Delete the complaint threads.

What "amazing transparent service" are you refereing to? Lack of phone help? Taking a week to get a customer service response? Losing acess to everything because the internet goes down and after years the offline mode still doesn't work properly most the time? I wish steam was actually transparent. Or wasn't even needed to launch games I paid for, like GoG and even godamned origin with some titles. Transparent means you don't notice it's there.

It's ok, but it's no where near "amazing" to any sane person. Complatency is why so many things are fucked up in the world. They need a fire under their asses to do something and saying their broken crap is wonderful isn't exactly convincing them to do anything about it. Even crappy EA fix stuff when theres complaints, or make a lame attempt to. Shit in steam has been broken for so long it's just "one of those things". It got to where it was by being in the right place at the right time.

Competition is good for everyone.
 
socK said:
What part of that equates to it being absolutely flawless? The internal web browser takes so long to start in game that trades in TF2 sometimes time out the first time I try, that's just shitty.
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Timeouts are a common occurrence with Steam on slower connections. Valve is a bit too aggressive on timing processes out when better behavior would be to be more lax.
 
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my internet sucks dick
 
I can clearly see a difference, but does anybody really care how the store page functions? For me, the only time I ever use that page is when I am about to buy a game, and I usually just use the search function to find it quickly. The library page is ultimately what I use 90% of the time. I guess I use the Friends window a ton as well, but that's another window entirely.
 
No problem with scrolling slowness...

Mine is perfectly smooth..

Sounds like the guy who record the video is using some Pentium I computer.
 
They are working on a new UI for HDTVs. Perhaps that will address some concerns.
 
i thought origin used some sort of internet explorer rendering and ie rendering has been made really fluid recently, where as steam used webkit.

could be a legacy issue from when ie was not secure and steam used a different renderer.

on my comp, steam has the same minimal stuttering that chrome and opera have. but ie is way way smoother. i have no comprehension why. hardware drawing?

someone should compare the fluidity on windows xp with an older ie.

i dont see this as a steam vs origin, i see it as newest ie vs webkit.
 
Should i make a comparison of steam working seemlessly with all the games i have and a video of Origin crashing with games on their service?
 
German Muscle said:
Should i make a comparison of steam working seemlessly with all the games i have and a video of Origin crashing with games on their service?
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Would be pointless, "look origins is broken" doesn't absolve steam and put it beyond reproach, or mean valve shouldn't even attempt to fix or improve things.
 
DarkUltra never returned to the thread; looks like a pretty successful troll.

I can't see what the problem is in the video. Scrolling seems fine, particularly since the test case isn't anything like a normal usage scenario. The video claims that "optimally, programs should not spawn [sic] more than 500" GDI objects, but this simply isn't true.
 
A little OT, but to the comment about Steam forgetting favorites is something I've never ran into, but only because I don't bother to sort my games into favorites categories. However, I have noticed that it does occasionally forget the list of most recently played games, which are the ones that show up at the top of the options when you first click on the Steam icon in your tray. It will sometimes revert to a list of recently played games that haven't been touched in many months, only to go back to normal the next time you log on.
 
Steam has bugs. When updating The Witcher 2 EE, Steam leaked it's way up to 7.70 GB of ram and made my system page like crazy.
 
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