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...............ppl. need to quit making threads about this crap, it is all speculation until the product is released or AMD make an official announcement, even then I'd wait for decent reviews....but since you ask, YES
So is ATI planning on beating the 8800gtx around November?
So is ATI planning on beating the 8800gtx around November?
anybody else read the recent CPU magazine about how intel has plans to start making gpus as well, stating that the price of a modern day gpu is way too high. they are looking to come out with high end cards at the current mid-range budget, I have a feeling next year will be fun indeed (Page 100 in Nov'07)
anybody else read the recent CPU magazine about how intel has plans to start making gpus as well, stating that the price of a modern day gpu is way too high. they are looking to come out with high end cards at the current mid-range budget, I have a feeling next year will be fun indeed (Page 100 in Nov'07)
So is ATI planning on beating the 8800gtx around November?
You need to read a bit closer before grossly misinforming folks. . .well of course they are planning on beating the 8800gtx...whether or not they will is a different story. Also consider the anouncement on the front page today the G92 based cards have been moved up, they will be available in november. So even if the x2900 refresh (x2950) is faster than the 8800 series nvidia will still be king because it will have the 9800 series... but then again the 9800 series could be the next fx5800 (pos) so we really wont know until it all happens.
You need to read a bit closer before grossly misinforming folks. . .
G92 is not the nvidia 9800 series. Unless there's been some major misinformation floating around via several reports, It's a mid-range solution and will be called the 8800gt. It should perform around the 8800gts level (some disagree whether above or below). But, the point is that this is not the "next generation" of nvidia cards. The 8800gtx/ultra will remain the top sku for nvidia.
I remember when "top of the line" cost only $300. Geforce 1 DDR. $500 and up for something that gets outdated so quickly is a hard pill to swallow.
anybody else read the recent CPU magazine about how intel has plans to start making gpus as well, stating that the price of a modern day gpu is way too high. they are looking to come out with high end cards at the current mid-range budget, I have a feeling next year will be fun indeed (Page 100 in Nov'07)
I didn't read the article but I agree that GPU's are way too expensive.
Because CPU's are so much more reasonbly priced? Also, do you thinks a GPU is any cheaper to produce?
The market demand (what the average person will pay) determines all pricing. It's not just random figures.
Economics 101.
Jeez.first of all your right i did misread what the G92 is said to be on the front page, i made this mistake because for last month or so alot of people (including myself) were under the impression that the g92 was in fact what was previously known as the g90 (9800 series) so when i saw it had been moved up I got excited...second I did not grossly misinform anyone. I was mildy mistaken most of my statement was still true, of course ati is shooting to dethrone nvidia WHY WOULDNT THEY?? again as to wether or not that will happen WE DONT KNOW. Wether or not he g92 (whatever it is) is going to be good WE DONT KNOW. So NO I did not grossly misinform anyone. Maybe YOU should think more before you make grossly rude comments!...ill await my forum ban notice for this, I appologize to the original poster for screwing up your thread btw.
You need to read a bit closer before grossly misinforming folks. . .
G92 is not the nvidia 9800 series. Unless there's been some major misinformation floating around via several reports, It's a mid-range solution and will be called the 8800gt. It should perform around the 8800gts level (some disagree whether above or below). But, the point is that this is not the "next generation" of nvidia cards. The 8800gtx/ultra will remain the top sku for nvidia.
Jeez.
I forget to put a smiley there and suddenly I'm being "grossly rude". . .
But, I do stand by "grossly misinform". . . you were arguing that nvidia (a) has the 9800 on deck as the G92, and (b) has moved up its release date to directly compete with the ATi in order to trounce it and (c) possibly regain the performance crown if ATi manages to beat the 8800gtx/ultra.
Two of those are just factually mistaken. The last one is a false/doubtful premise (since it's unknown --and to my mind, very doubtful-- that ATi will beat the 8800gtx/ultra with what it's releasing this month for $250). If someone is basing a buying decision off your post, then, yes, they are being "grossly misinformed." I'm not sure how you can get the item, release date, and effect of the release wrong and claim to only have made a "minor mistake" that leaves the rest of your post's intent largely intact.
My only point was that not only are some of guessing, or citing guesses, but some of us are even citing the guesses incorrectly.
I think your anger is more based in embarrassment than it is in me being "grossly rude."
However, I could have been more tactful. I apologize for the lack of a smiley or something that might have softened the otherwise (needlessly?) rough edges of my post.
Wow. I stated in multiple places that these are merely reports that are unconfirmed. While I also pointed out that this other guy was even getting those unconfirmed reports wrong. Hence my saying:Whats amazing is the bullshit these tech sites feed people like you, and you consider it to be right because you see it on more than one website. You are accusing others of grossly informing the population, yet youre doing the same thing.
nVidia is planning to release a 1TF solution in Q4 07, which is codenamed G92. This is straight from nVidia, not my ass, or the INQ, or VR-Zone, Beyond3d, or whatever. Unless thats what your going to repeat, sit on your hands. The only reliable source is nVidia, and thats the latest (regardless of how old) from them.
Someone pee in your cornflakes this morning? Feel free to clutch that six-month-old informal comment from nvidia to your breast and lovingly caress it. Meanwhile, I'll continue to point out when someone is misrepresenting reports, confirmed or otherwise. As requested by that other fellow though, I'll be more careful to be cordial while doing so.My only point was that not only are some of us guessing, or citing guesses, but some of us are even citing the guesses incorrectly.
Wow. I stated in multiple places that these are merely reports that are unconfirmed. While I also pointed out that this other guy was even getting those unconfirmed reports wrong. Hence my saying:
Someone pee in your cornflakes this morning? Feel free to clutch that six-month-old informal comment from nvidia to your breast and lovingly caress it. Meanwhile, I'll continue to point out when someone is misrepresenting reports, confirmed or otherwise. As requested by that other fellow though, I'll be more careful to be cordial while doing so.
Meanwhile, feel free to vent more of your misdirected anger. You apparently get off on it.
Edit: If you think you've singled out some Inq reader/believer for righteous abuse, I suggest you look at my post history (example).
I don't think there has ever been a card with that much longevity. Sure in some cases you can still play games 3-4 years later, but not anywhere close to high settings.it would keep pushing games 3 to 4 years later at high settings
Logic? I'm illogical because I pointed out that someone misread an unconfirmed report and thereby unintentionally created yet another unconfirmed report (ie, rumor)? Is it illogical to say that the preponderance of evidence is that nvidia will not be releasing its new high-end card in Q4 but has instead decided to wait until Q1 of '08?Whatever helps you sleep at night bud. And no, cornflakes were piss free. Its amazing how people cant comprehend that something 6 months old from nVidia is more valueable than the bullshit the rumor mill is tossing around. Mock me if you will, but in the end at least i can say i have a sense of logic.
Unless, of course, nvidia has changes its plans without making those changes of plan public (as has often happened). Then, logically that information from nvidia becomes worthless. Or, at least, it becomes less valuable than other reports that may turn out to more accurately represent nvidia's plans since the original plan has been thrown out the window.something 6 months old from nVidia is more valueable than the bullshit the rumor mill is tossing around.
Kyle Bennett said:I would suggest that we will not see changes in the top tier video cards until next year.
Logic? I'm illogical because I pointed out that someone misread an unconfirmed report and thereby unintentionally created yet another unconfirmed report (ie, rumor)? Is it illogical to say that the preponderance of evidence is that nvidia will not be releasing its new high-end card in Q4 but has instead decided to wait until Q1 of '08?
My friend. . . one could argue that it's "illogical" to assume that nvidia's plans do not change and that their 6+ month-old informal statement as to their plans is still valid given all that we now know about ATi's plans and the shape of the market.
Unless, of course, nvidia has changes its plans without making those changes of plan public (as has often happened). Then, logically that information from nvidia becomes worthless. Or, at least, it becomes less valuable than other reports that may turn out to more accurately represent nvidia's plans since the original plan has been thrown out the window.
But, again, you want to cling to outdated information and claim that you have a monopoly on "logic." You might think it "logical" to believe only what nvidia said 6+ months ago. . . but if it turns out that the G92 is the 8800gt (which seems more and more certain every day) and that nvidia does not indeed launch their "1TF monster" in Q4. . . what you consider "logical" will also turn out to be "wrong."
Or, to put it yet another way: Is it "logical" to continue to cling to the informal comment by an nvidia exec six months ago when you have the following quote from someone who may (probably?) have newer, more up-to-date information? Someone like Kyle?
Always beware of those claiming a monopoly on "logic." Logical and reasonable people can disagree and believe different things. Yet those who merely assert that only their viewpoint is "logical" are usually not pleasant people with whom to have a disagreement.
Sigh. . .Argue semantics all you wish.
Anyone who knows anything worthwhile or reliable is under NDA. I doubt Kyle is stupid enough to violate that if he is under NDA, so you can take his opinion and toss it on top of the rumor pile as well, because its just his speculation.
Since you dont quite comprehend the meaning of my statement, ill spell it out for you. nVidia states 1TF in Q407. Plans may change, plans may not. The only statement with any shread of credibility came from nVidia 6 months ago. If you wish to believe sites looking for ad traffic, be my guest. In this case, yes, logic would be to believe the company producing the part, and not a website looking for ad traffic. You hacking up the viewpoint of "logic" six ways to Sunday doesnt change anything.
Also, this a computer forum, take your pompous rhetoric elsewhere. If you want to somehow convince me to believe a website that is wrong 99% of the time over the manufacture, i welcome you to try. I dont claim a monopoly on logic, i only find it logical to listen to someone who is involved with creating the part, then a website known for spewing bullshit to improve their ad traffic. If you dont find it pleasant to have a disagreement with me, then dont disagree with me.
supposedly the ati cards are going to... but what difference is that gonna make when nvidia is sitting on a 1 terraflop beast lol.
I see this posted alot, FLOP count does not = real world speed.