Phuncz
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I'm also waiting for the 230V reviews, because for many this could paint a different picture.
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Mostly the review is postive. Testing shows better performance, higher efficiency than the ST45SF-G. Only the transient test is worrying - OverRated's surge protection will certainly be triggered. And of course the comments in the review about the noise of the fan when powered from 100V AC source. This noise is contrary to the experiences of JamboAU and CallumBolch, but then I guess it's because they have 230V mains in Australia.
Did I miss something, or did the reviewer not make any mention of the semi-fanless feature of this PSU?
I'm not an electronics engineer, but how exactly is the transient test worrying? A 400mV drop on the 12V rail seems like a non-issue to me? The power supply circuits on graphics cards surely have capacitors to protect against this kind of problem? I'm not being passive-aggressive, I'm genuinely curious.
Seeing as Overrated has more or less the same setup as I have, should I be worried as well?
Can't believe I didn't notice before but the 500W SFX-L is on the 80 Plus database under High Power HPN-500GD-F12S: http://www.plugloadsolutions.com/psu_reports/HIGH%20POWER%20ELECTRONIC%20CO.,%20LTD._HPN-500GD-F12S%20(C)_500W_ECOS%204002_Report.pdf
It was certified June 26, 2014 while the SX600-G was certified May 6 so maybe it'll show up soon?
There's also a product page for it on the High Power Chinese site: http://www.highpower-tech.com.cn/gb/product_page.php?class=20140526143552&id=20140707150713
So the North American / 120v version of the SX600G is no good?
I have this PSU on order (should be here tomorrow), but don't have all my parts here yet for my build. I live in the US, and bought this because it is meant to be quiet, at least at idle. I'll test is ASAP and provide some feedback. Anyone know what sort of load is put on a PSU when it's connected to a PSU tester? I have one of those, I can test it with that as soon as it arrives.
Probably you are right, it's nothing to worry about.
What I have noticed on my ST45SF-Gs when running folding@home, is that I have to dial down my overclock on the CPU because otherwise it fails whenever a GPU finishes a work unit checkpoint (ie load goes from 100% to 0% suddenly).
The Adda fan, as seen in the HardOCP review photos, has the model number AD0812UB-D91. Can anybody find any solid information on it? I can't find it in Adda's online product catalog, and on other sites I can only find the AD0812UB-D91GP, which is not the same fan.
Is that the right comparison to make?
Some of the capacitors are not favoured brands of the reviewer, does it really say something about warranty period when Silverstone has 3 years as standard? Maybe the caps selected by Silverstone/Enhance were due to design requirements, or after testing components from multiple suppliers, or maybe price would have been prohibitive, or other unknown reasons. The days of the capacitor plague are long over. I am inclined to take these judgements with a pinch of salt.
Mostly the review is postive. Testing shows better performance, higher efficiency than the ST45SF-G. Only the transient test is worrying - OverRated's surge protection will certainly be triggered. And of course the comments in the review about the noise of the fan when powered from 100V AC source. This noise is contrary to the experiences of JamboAU and CallumBolch, but then I guess it's because they have 230V mains in Australia.
Did I miss something, or did the reviewer not make any mention of the semi-fanless feature of this PSU?
SilverStone said:The fanless mode operation deactivates when the PSU's internal tempreature reaches 45C.
I'm not an electronics engineer, but how exactly is the transient test worrying? A 400mV drop on the 12V rail seems like a non-issue to me? The power supply circuits on graphics cards surely have capacitors to protect against this kind of problem? I'm not being passive-aggressive, I'm genuinely curious.
What really bothers me is this: "Overall, the noise performance of this unit seems like it might not be quiet as the previous ST45SF-G". Sure, their noise test is 100% subjective, with no measurements, but I really hope they're only talking about the problem at 100V AC? If so, this will be a non-issue for me, having 230V mains here in Sweden.
So the North American / 120v version of the SX600G is no good?
There's not a separate North American version. It's a switching power supply which means it works at any voltage between 100V and 250V.
The thing they said in HardOCP review was that at 100V the fan made a funny noise at load, that's all. (Where is the mains 100V anyway? Japan? USA is 120V right?)
And as Phuncz said, it's just one sample. It could be one of the early ones that they recalled.
A psu tester usually only checks that the psu can start and provide sufficient 3.3V, 5V and 12V (and that the cables/connectors aren't broken). The load should be very low, only what the psu tester needs for its measurements (and to drive the display, if it has one).
The Adda fan, as seen in the HardOCP review photos, has the model number AD0812UB-D91. Can anybody find any solid information on it? I can't find it in Adda's online product catalog, and on other sites I can only find the AD0812UB-D91GP, which is not the same fan.
A psu tester usually only checks that the psu can start and provide sufficient 3.3V, 5V and 12V (and that the cables/connectors aren't broken). The load should be very low, only what the psu tester needs for its measurements (and to drive the display, if it has one).
"Mains" does not have to be 100v (which it is in Japan). During brownouts and heavy draws on a residential circuit you will notice input voltages drop, that is why I have a voltage regulator with line noise filter on the front side of the variac when testing. In addition, the unit is rated to run at 100v AC input so, like many other aspects, it is tested to see if that is indeed true.
Would this UPS be enough? I think these Cyber Power UPSs have built in AVR.
http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/intelligent-lcd-ups/CP850AVRLCD.html
While you may think bad capacitors are thing of the past, Sus'con, Teapo, Taicon etc. don't sell cheaper capacitors because they like you. They do so because they make a cheaper product by using different raw materials (the aluminum used is VERY important and so is the electrolytic formula even if the old improperly stolen P50 that involved LTEC is no longer likely marketed), lower skilled labor, less QC, etc.
Hey WiSK, do you know if the pure sine-wave UPS are actually necessary with the active PFC on these power supplies?
Sorry I know nothing about UPS for home use, since we have a very high reliability and quality of mains power in the Netherlands..
Yeah I think many people will associate it with less reliability of the device and quality of power delivery because it isn't really explained. But does it indeed affect the measurements so much that it matters and have you found some readings in reviewing indicating this ?But what does it mean in real terms?
Noise even at the same intensity and pitch is entirely subjective as everyone's senses are different and hearing is a sense.
The first load test in our testing is at 25% load and 45C both of which are values that put this outside of the fanless mode
The allowable range of 12v output on an ATX12v/EPS power supply is 11.4v to 12.6v. Therefore, depending on what the voltage is when the load is applied a drop of 0.4v could push it out of the ATX12v specification limits.
Reading the last couple of pages makes me wanna push for an ATX PSU and a mITX GPU instead of what I had originally planned. Will wait and see how the 500W SFX-L version performs though.
yahnnn.. just waiting for the usual paid marketing goon do his usual shill marketing damage control disguised as a friend when shit like this happens..
Reading the last couple of pages makes me wanna push for an ATX PSU and a mITX GPU instead of what I had originally planned. Will wait and see how the 500W SFX-L version performs though.
I've been waiting to pick up this SX600 too, but my NCase v2 is going to be my secondary HTPC/Steam Big Picture box.
With the price of the SX600 being so high, would you guys think that putting in a quiet ATX power supply and a mid range min-itx GPU would be better for this purpose?
You may also consider a short non-modular ATX PSU and manually shortening the cables.
Ah, yeah. That's an option. What's the best non-modular 500-700W PSU you can get (more or less no budget but say 200$ maximum)?
Let me know if there's anything you'd like me to try out!
Ah, yeah. That's an option. What's the best non-modular 500-700W PSU you can get (more or less no budget but say 200$ maximum)?
Not sure, but I would think so. I've been considering the PFC Sinewave version (if truly needed for PFC power supplies)..
http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/pfc-sinewave-series/CP1000PFCLCD.html