Should have bought a 1080 Ti

Discussion in 'Video Cards' started by sanitarium16, Dec 31, 2018.

  1. sanitarium16

    sanitarium16 Limp Gawd

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    3 months in and my 2080 FE (zero overclock) was sent back to Nvidia for a RMA today. Developed a buzzing/sizzling sound which got louder under load. Now i wait using integrated graphics. My GTX 1070 never gave me any problems overclocked, RTX is useless at 1080p for me. DLSS is no where to be found. Had such high hopes for the 2080. Not happy.
     
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  2. Legendary Gamer

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    Should you have? Who knew back then that this iteration was a nightmare waiting to happen? I'm working on getting my 4th 2080Ti at the moment, first three (one in hand) failing in pieces. If I hit 5, I'm asking EVGA for my money back.

    I have not overclocked any of the three I have. They all suck.

    I have to wait until January 7th for EVGA to respond, they're on vacation.

    There are those on here that say they have no issues and then there are those of us that do have issues with this release (smaller minority, but roughly 20%+ of [H] users).

    Get your money back if you can, if not, welcome to the club. ;)
     
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  3. VanGoghComplex

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    At the risk of being that guy, is it possible you were just hearing coil noise? My 1080ti makes noise when my NPI frame limiter fails (thanks, Oculus!) and a menu screen shoots the FPS to 500. As soon as it goes back down the noise disappears.

    Were you getting any artifacts or anything?
     
  4. Motley

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    Soooo so glad I just bought a 1080TI back in July, very happy I missed this whole RTX crap.
     
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  5. Nenu

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    Glad I bought a 1080ti when they first came out.
    This and staying on Windows 7 make me feel I won the lottery twice, without paying anything!
    The amount of shite I have avoided.
     
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  6. Comixbooks

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    No problems with my Evga 2080 have about 70 hours of gaming on it. Has anyone figured out what the core problem is with these cards?
     
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  7. Ryom

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    My money is on a low-level design problem in the die causing difficult to detect yield problems combined with QA issues with the low-level software. Gamers Nexus already had two cards with clock-rate issues that were fixed by reflashing the BIOS with a modified version. Reflashing with the stock BIOS did not fix that issue. The artifacts showing when the card isn't anywhere near thermal/voltage or other limits sounds like an on-die problem or just bad design between card components.

    I'm waiting for the 1-2 year post-mortem on this launch.
     
  8. XoR_

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    Hopefully 2070 fares better :(
    At least just in case it didn't I have GTX 780 laying around (y)
     
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  10. RadXge

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    An used 1080 Ti provides 5-10% less performance than a 2080 at half the price... 2080 features are not a factor in real life given the lack of support for RTX and DLSS ... I also suspect that the 2080 is not powerful enough to push RTX anyway...

    Depending on budget, I would go with either a 1080 Ti and 2080 Ti... the vanilla 2080 does not make sense for now.
     
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  11. tpatnode

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    You guys are scaring me out of this long 2080TI hunt I'm in. I know they have problems but 4 RMA's good lord.
     
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  12. Niner21

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    It's always a little bit of a 50/50 situation when purchasing new video cards when they first come out it seems. I have found over several years of building that waiting a few months or more lets the bugs work themselves out. I went with a 1080ti myself this summer instead of waiting on a RTX card.
     
  13. magoo

    magoo [H]ardForum Junkie

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    What exactly can a 2080 plain or Ti do for you RIGHT NOW that a 1080 Ti cant?

    All the reviews say a plain cant handle RTX, reliability is an issue, the cards are still hard to find at retail prices and there are no games
    that use RTX yet that are worth a shit.

    I have 1080 Tis and am perfectly happy. Im sitting this one out.
     
  14. horrorshow

    horrorshow [H]ardness Supreme

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    Thanks for that, I was planning to call them tomorrow.

    (The 980 Ti fan RMA process BEGINS....)
     
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    This is why I am going to buy a use mining card....(1080).....wondering what the down side will/can be ?(guess i should start a Thread and see what responses I get.
     
  16. Legendary Gamer

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    2080 Ti EVGA Black Edition. 3rd card is the most stable. On and off issues with it that defy logic. I've been talking with Slade on here and i'm gonna install the 4th one in a totally different system for shits and grins to rule out possible issues with my main rig . Tho I have tested the other three on my 3 in home PC's and they all have the same issues.

    Some people on here cannot believe I got 3 bad cards. However, considering the Black ED (999 buck product) is likely the lowest binned.. I'm not terribly surprised. The issues, however, have been slowly driving me to insanity ;)
     
  17. Rizen

    Rizen [H]ardForum Junkie

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    I bought a Titan X Pascal on release in 2016. Put it under water, runs at 45C and boosts to 2088MHz. Over 2 years later, still going strong and probably on par or faster than a 2080.

    $1200 felt a tad wasteful when I bought it, but I don't have any regrets now.
     
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  18. Mr. Baz

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    A used card also comes with no warranty. Unless you know/trust the source, purchasing used tech can be a gamble.

    For a better apples-to-apples comparison, look at the prices of new cards. Now we are on a fair playing field. It doesn't make sense to purchase a 1080TI when a 2080TI costs nearly the same (most cases only $100 more).
     
  19. VanGoghComplex

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    And buying a 2080ti wouldn't be a gamble? There's a thread a few spots down where some poor guy is on his fourth bad card.
     
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  20. ShuttleLuv

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    A 2800 ti AND used?

    pB43k.jpg
     
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  21. JMCB

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    Actually, some manufacturers like Gigabyte do it by serial number via manufacture date, so the warranty would transfer over in that case.
     
  22. alz0rz

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    EVGA’s warranty on the -KR cards go with the card NOT the owner.
     
  23. Mr. Baz

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    3yr warranty. Unless you can verify the date of manufacture before you purchase it, it can still be a gamble on how much time you have left on that warranty.

    Same as above.

    I mean, to each his own and all, but I don't see how you can justify still spending $500+ on a card that comes with no guarantee other than the seller's "word". Caveat Emptor and all...
     
  24. Chas

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    Waiting a generation or two for sanity to return...
     
  25. VanGoghComplex

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    Because you can (or at least could, a month ago) buy TWO 1080tis with no guarantee and STILL not have spent as much money as you would have on a single 2080ti... which only comes with Nvidia's "word". Which means that when it fails it probably won't set on fire.

    Caveat emptor and all. :D
     
  26. thenjduke

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    This is exactly reason I did not buy one. I hate first gen cards. I bought TI and figure might get another for SLI
     
  27. JMCB

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    You have a point. The reason I did it when I did was because I did do some research, and looked online and saw that the card has a warranty despite not having a Proof of Purchase (which I could redeem if the card was bad). I've also bought plenty of stuff on Craigslist before and have yet to get burned. While there are a few exceptions of human garbage, most people are honest and decent folk.
     
  28. Tweak155

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    Enable you to experience the RMA and / or return process?
     
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    yea, some companies have highly devious marketing ... they could likely sell most folks ocean front property in Arizona if they wanted too
     
  30. FlawleZ

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    One thing is for certain: A lot less people will be willing to pay the same or more for a 2080TI second hand. Whereas the 1080TI still holds its value pretty well.
     
  31. NKD

    NKD [H]ardness Supreme

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    DLSS seems to be vaporware so far. Looks like Nvidia sold people hard on that shit. Gotta give them props for that. People really got taken by the hype.
     
  32. Ryom

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    DLSS is a hack to reduce the performance hit of genuine anti-aliasing, which is itself just a hack to reduce the jaggedness of low-resolution displays, and our current raster graphics techniques are in themselves a hack because we couldn't do real time ray-tracing. How deep down the rabbit hole do we go before we just focus on tuning the hardware to push more pixels without cheating to get image quality? We really need to go all in on 4k and up resolutions at small pixel pitches, then start tuning ray-tracing. I can't wait for the day that we get to have ray traced 300ppi @ 60fps and up, and I think that this is the generation that process really begins.

    It's hacks all the way down and we think our hardware is so good these days. We still have a long way to go... something to look forward to I suppose.

    (I bought a used 1080 and OC'd it) :p
     
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  33. Jandor

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    This is true but frankly you don't watch on a 4K display the same way a 768x1024 display, on the pixel level. So this is intelligent rendering instead of brute force rendering. Your eye works with intelligence too, so it's taken into account.
    DLSS is needed for RTX rendering. The RTX works as a complementary raytracing for the remaining invisible scene to DXR DX12 who only accounts for displayed objects. Both renderings have to be merged and need intelligent anti-aliasing. So AMD has a lot to do to catch up and count the fact that the developers will have to follow his own API. All that for 10% share in gaming market and lower end inexpensive graphic cards. This won't happen. AMD is in big shit. Too cheap, too late.
    Not only RTX is implemented in new games, but those will avoid big development to mimic RTX rendering as they did in the past. those new RTX games will render poorly on non RTX cards. So be it an RTX 2060, you need one, better than a used 1080Ti.
     
  34. DJ Lushious

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    That theory could partially explain the high prices. Yeah, nVidia is charging an arm and a leg because they can, but with ray-tracing they can at least flaunt cutting-edge graphics. I’m waiting for the prices to come down from the stratosphere.

    That theory could partially explain the high prices. Yeah, nVidia is charging an arm and a leg because they can, but with ray-tracing they can at least flaunt cutting-edge graphics.

    There’s an AMD SoC in 2 out of the 3 consoles; they’re doing just fine.
     
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  35. Organik

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    So is the 2060 a faster card or as fast as a 1080 TI ?
     
  36. VanGoghComplex

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    Definitely not. The 2080 is about on par with a 1080ti.
     
  37. kasakka

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    Reviews put it between the 1070 Ti and 1080. Not even close to the 1080 Ti. Still a pretty good purchase if you game at 1080p or 1440p.
     
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  38. exlink

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    The 1080 Ti has been my best purchase since my 8800GTX.

    Bought the 1080 Ti FTW3 for $730 in June 2017 and a year and a half later it still demolishes everything I throw at it at 3440x1440. Not to mention it is still pretty much in the top 3 for fastest GPUs even after 1.5 years.
     
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  39. pippenainteasy

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    1080 Ti was a much bigger leap over previous Ti than the 980 Ti was, so it was definitely a very, very special card.
     
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    About right I just side graded (open box it was $100 cheaper) myself. For old stuff its on par but it has a good boost with Async compute and DLSS, etc. My timespy GPU score is 15% higher than the 1080ti in the same system. Just tried DLSS 3160x2160 on a 1440p monitor (DSR) and it looked pretty good.