• Some users have recently had their accounts hijacked. It seems that the now defunct EVGA forums might have compromised your password there and seems many are using the same PW here. We would suggest you UPDATE YOUR PASSWORD and TURN ON 2FA for your account here to further secure it. None of the compromised accounts had 2FA turned on.
    Once you have enabled 2FA, your account will be updated soon to show a badge, letting other members know that you use 2FA to protect your account. This should be beneficial for everyone that uses FSFT.

Set the Sith Afire

Azhar said:
I don't think this should be banned, but rather sold under the same law and safety requirements as guns where if you misuse it, you would be penalized. To those of you who thinks this should be banned, I suppose you're anti-gun as well?
Click to expand...

Not anti-gun, but I am anti high-power lasers for everyone.


You people that keep comparing them to guns just don't understand how a laser this powerful is more dangerous than a gun.
 
robble said:
Not anti-gun, but I am anti high-power lasers for everyone.


You people that keep comparing them to guns just don't understand how a laser this powerful is more dangerous than a gun.
Click to expand...
Seriously, if you had your choice, would you want me to shoot you with this laser, or a gun?
 
robble said:
Not anti-gun, but I am anti high-power lasers for everyone.


You people that keep comparing them to guns just don't understand how a laser this powerful is more dangerous than a gun.
Click to expand...

Forks are dangerous too. Anyone can get their hands on it, even in restaurants. In the wrong hands, people can be stabbed to death, or worse, tortured! :-P

Anything's dangerous. Laws are made to deter us from doing anything dangerous or harmful to yourself or others. People who break laws with intent to harm is not going to care whether lasers are banned. They'll get their hands on them anyways.

No reason to punish everyone because of the inevitable few.
 
I can see some parents buying this for their kid to bring to show and tell at school. Or better yet the school bully.
 
Interesting device, but there's a lot of potential for misuse. I see people here are comparing lasers to firearms. That's a very poor comparison, as firearms launch a single kinetic mass at high velocity, whereas lasers are directed EM energy in a continuous, focused beam. If that beam is capable of instantly blinding someone permanently that's reason enough to treat these things with a lot of respect. Sure, it may not kill you as effectively as a .45 cal bullet, but after going from perfect sight to complete blindness in an instant you might wish you had opted for the bullet instead when you consider how the rest of your life will be.

Lasers may have a "cool" factor, but unlike firearms, these are useless as a defensive tool but could be used to inflict great harm. People working with industrial lasers know YOU DO NOT play with them or they WILL mess you up badly. I'm all for private ownership of such a device for responsible parties using them for research, but if people start using these things as toys and causing harm to animals, other humans, or causing property damage, then they'll end up getting regulated. It only takes one idiot to ruin it for everyone else.
 
Phoenix333 said:
Interesting device, but there's a lot of potential for misuse. I see people here are comparing lasers to firearms. That's a very poor comparison, as firearms launch a single kinetic mass at high velocity, whereas lasers are directed EM energy in a continuous, focused beam. If that beam is capable of instantly blinding someone permanently that's reason enough to treat these things with a lot of respect. Sure, it may not kill you as effectively as a .45 cal bullet, but after going from perfect sight to complete blindness in an instant you might wish you had opted for the bullet instead when you consider how the rest of your life will be.

Lasers may have a "cool" factor, but unlike firearms, these are useless as a defensive tool but could be used to inflict great harm. People working with industrial lasers know YOU DO NOT play with them or they WILL mess you up badly. I'm all for private ownership of such a device for responsible parties using them for research, but if people start using these things as toys and causing harm to animals, other humans, or causing property damage, then they'll end up getting regulated. It only takes one idiot to ruin it for everyone else.
Click to expand...

finally a sane post.

something else to read

http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11342&
 
Azhar said:
Forks are dangerous too. Anyone can get their hands on it, even in restaurants. In the wrong hands, people can be stabbed to death, or worse, tortured! :-P

Anything's dangerous. Laws are made to deter us from doing anything dangerous or harmful to yourself or others. People who break laws with intent to harm is not going to care whether lasers are banned. They'll get their hands on them anyways.

No reason to punish everyone because of the inevitable few.
Click to expand...


these kinds of posts make it blatantly clear the poster has no clue about how dangerous lasers of this power are.
 
You just know some jerk is gonna be blowing our every car tire in the parkinglot from his office window with this thing.
 
Anyone else notice this?

15052_large_Blue_Laser_2.png


E2DLED_45L_xlarge_24531.png

http://www.surefire.com/E2DL

*Cough* Sharpened bezel. *Cough*
 
Posters who claim that these are similar to guns are missing the point. Yes, anyone who wants to blind someone with one of these can and will. There's no stopping them, and in that respect, they are like guns. Because of the lack of eduction about the devices, though, they are far more dangerous than guns. No one (or at least, very few) play with a loaded gun, much less discharge it in a populated area for fun. All it takes is one idiot in a city shooting this, and someone will go blind. Multiple people probably. You can talk about how the website makes you agree that you've read the lengthy rules and restrictions and safety instructions, but that doesn't matter. It's a checkbox, they can't force you to read it.
 
1 said:
It is an inexpensive high power laser. That is useful for home experiments where people do not have 3k + to spend on professional lasers. Maybe you do not think much of people doing home research, but does happen and can produce great results.
Click to expand...
Repeat: The technology would be great for home experimentation. For the setups I'm the least bit familiar with, I'm thinking the saber would have to be taken apart for truly controlled experimentation. Demonstrating interference patterns doesn't need anything like this power.
 
robble said:
these kinds of posts make it blatantly clear the poster has no clue about how dangerous lasers of this power are.
Click to expand...

And posts like yours make it so clear you want to live in a nanny state where everything should be banned only because they're "dangerous" like 10000000000000000000 other things in the country.

Cars are dangerous. Knives are dangerous. Water is dangerous. Guns are dangerous. Wearing other people's 3D glasses are dangerous. 115 lumen flashlights are dangerous. Table saws are dangerous. My posts can be dangerous. HCL is dangerous. Sharks are dangerous. Even more so with Wicked Lasers attached to their foreheads.

Going around calling people ignorant isn't going to score you any points. I know how dangerous this device can be. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I don't have a clue. Don't presume to think what I know.
 
This thing can go 200 miles?

Hmm. Put together 6+ of these in a bundled cannon, aim it up, and fire -- and Earth itself is protruding a light saber. LOL

No no, wait.

We all buy one and come together for a massive moon-blasting convention. At 12AM, we aim at the moon and fire.
 
srangara said:
Repeat: The technology would be great for home experimentation. For the setups I'm the least bit familiar with, I'm thinking the saber would have to be taken apart for truly controlled experimentation. Demonstrating interference patterns doesn't need anything like this power.
Click to expand...

Yes, you would not want a 1w laser for diffraction experiments as that would be very dangerous to your vision. :p

There are a lot of other experiments that do use high powered lasers greater than 1w and some greater than 50w. What ideas do you have in mind that this laser would need to be taken apart for?
 
Azhar said:
And posts like yours make it so clear you want to live in a nanny state where everything should be banned only because they're "dangerous" like 10000000000000000000 other things in the country.

Cars are dangerous. Knives are dangerous. Water is dangerous. Guns are dangerous. Wearing other people's 3D glasses are dangerous. 115 lumen flashlights are dangerous. Table saws are dangerous. My posts can be dangerous. HCL is dangerous. Sharks are dangerous. Even more so with Wicked Lasers attached to their foreheads.

Going around calling people ignorant isn't going to score you any points. I know how dangerous this device can be. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I don't have a clue. Don't presume to think what I know.
Click to expand...

according to you hand grenades should be legal for minors to own.
 
1 said:
Yes, you would not want a 1w laser for diffraction experiments as that would be very dangerous to your vision. :p

There are a lot of other experiments that do use high powered lasers greater than 1w and some greater than 50w. What ideas do you have in mind that this laser would need to be taken apart for?
Click to expand...
I'm just saying if you need this power for legitimate experimental purposes, you're not going to turn it on like a lightsaber, right? You shouldn't be anywhere near it. So you're going to have to hack a different control mechanism. You also probably want a more predictable power source than a rechargeable battery.

It's not for me to suggest the experiment. My training is in cancer genetics. Although, there are home genetic labs, too... Maybe a well-split 1W laser could serve for home cancer detection or radiation treatments. :)
 
So I bought one. It will likely sit in my closet utterly unused. But if they started regulating these I'd never forgive myself.

Please feel free to lecture me. I am an overly careful and relatively risk averse human though(driving habits aside). I'm sure if I decide to do something with it, it will be after a lot of research and an actual reason.

That this kind of tech is for sale at $200 and at the click of a button is amazing too me. I half expect this controversy is all drummed up by marketing and this thing is crippled somehow.
 
Azhar said:
And with your logic, babies should be allowed to play with razor blades :rolleyes:
Click to expand...


You don't make any sense since I am the one against it.


Also, I still don't believe you understand how dangerous they are or you wouldn't be so defensive on them.
 
So, could I light my fireworks from a safe distance with this?

If so do I need to have everyone standing behind me watching the display wear safety glasses?
 
robble said:
Also, I still don't believe you understand how dangerous they are or you wouldn't be so defensive on them.
Click to expand...

Do you feel it is unsafe to operate this powerful of a laser at all? Even if proper eye goggles are worn and the user is sure there is no reflective surfaces for the laser to hit?

Let's suppose we built a steel cabinet with a sand blasted surface coated with black paint and well enclosed. Then we put whatever we wanted to shoot the laser at in the cabinet. Nothing is reflective and all objects absorb most of the laser energy and you are wearing eye protection suited to this class of laser.

Is that ok? Or do you still feel that people would be at risk of eye injury under these conditions?

You make it sound as if any use of this laser will result in permanent eye damage.
 
robble said:
You don't make any sense since I am the one against it.


Also, I still don't believe you understand how dangerous they are or you wouldn't be so defensive on them.
Click to expand...

You keep falling back to that argument that one cannot know something if they don't agree. Let me try another example. Airplanes. Anyone can fly them. Guess what kind of damage they can do in the wrong hands? I'll give you 2976 guesses.

Should we ban people from flying airplanes? No! We make sure the right people can fly them. We make sure the licensed pilots get background checks. I'm not just talking about commercial airlines either.

I do not like banning anything because of dangers involved with the exception of things that can influence a person to do harm, such as various narcotics. But devices? No. Anyone who really wants one with intent to do harm are going to get their hands on them anyways. Guns taught us that - unfortunately it didn't teach politicians though.

Control, regulation, background checks, required safety training, license - if a person has no plans on doing harm or do anything reckless, or have no criminal records, they would not have troubles getting these things, and we wouldn't have to worry about dangers because they've been trained to use the device properly. But to outright ban them? That just makes you a Luddite. You may as well ban the internet because we all know how seriously fucked we are if an extremely skilled hacker manage to pull a fire sale.
 
Seems to me these can be more dangerous than guns in a way. They are silent and can do quite a bit of damage to humans. I can imagine some angry neighbor or office worker pointing this at someone's car.

As for banning them, I don't really know. I'm not a fan of nanny states. They should at least have the same requirements as guns in order someone to own one.
 
arentol said:
So, could I light my fireworks from a safe distance with this?

If so do I need to have everyone standing behind me watching the display wear safety glasses?
Click to expand...

I would say that yes, if there is anyone around who might be exposed to the laser radiation, then they NEED to be wearing proper eye protection. But this should let you light the fireworks from a good distance away. I suppose you could use a less powerful laser too and that would be a little safer.

Here is a 700mW laser lighting a cigarette.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2747832/700mw_laser_pointer_burn_cigarette_from_warnlaser/
 
1 said:
I would say that yes, if there is anyone around who might be exposed to the laser radiation, then they NEED to be wearing proper eye protection. But this should let you light the fireworks from a good distance away. I suppose you could use a less powerful laser too and that would be a little safer.

Here is a 700mW laser lighting a cigarette.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2747832/700mw_laser_pointer_burn_cigarette_from_warnlaser/
Click to expand...
Kind of lame, really, isn't it? A magnifying glass would be more effective.
 
srangara said:
Kind of lame, really, isn't it? A magnifying glass would be more effective.
Click to expand...

Yes...not very interesting except that laser light intensity does not fall off with an inverse square law so this would likely still be effective from 10 or more feet. So for a person setting off fireworks it might be a good thing.
 
1 said:
Yes...not very interesting except that laser light intensity does not fall off with an inverse square law so this would likely still be effective from 10 or more feet. So for a person setting off fireworks it might be a good thing.
Click to expand...
Right! Just have to keep focus.

Beware the day they start making invisible high-powered lasers commercially available.
 
1 said:
Do you feel it is unsafe to operate this powerful of a laser at all? Even if proper eye goggles are worn and the user is sure there is no reflective surfaces for the laser to hit?

Let's suppose we built a steel cabinet with a sand blasted surface coated with black paint and well enclosed. Then we put whatever we wanted to shoot the laser at in the cabinet. Nothing is reflective and all objects absorb most of the laser energy and you are wearing eye protection suited to this class of laser.

Is that ok? Or do you still feel that people would be at risk of eye injury under these conditions?

You make it sound as if any use of this laser will result in permanent eye damage.
Click to expand...

where have I said they should be banned? They should be regulated and not just anybody can buy them.

Goggles are meant as the last defense. Your black box example is a safe way to use the laser - but look at the comments in this thread. That is not what people will be doing with it. They are going to be starting fires and popping balloons and the really stupid ones are going to be shining it at animals and insects.


Azhar said:
You keep falling back to that argument that one cannot know something if they don't agree. Let me try another example. Airplanes. Anyone can fly them. Guess what kind of damage they can do in the wrong hands? I'll give you 2976 guesses.

Should we ban people from flying airplanes? No! We make sure the right people can fly them. We make sure the licensed pilots get background checks. I'm not just talking about commercial airlines either.

I do not like banning anything because of dangers involved with the exception of things that can influence a person to do harm, such as various narcotics. But devices? No. Anyone who really wants one with intent to do harm are going to get their hands on them anyways. Guns taught us that - unfortunately it didn't teach politicians though.

Control, regulation, background checks, required safety training, license - if a person has no plans on doing harm or do anything reckless, or have no criminal records, they would not have troubles getting these things, and we wouldn't have to worry about dangers because they've been trained to use the device properly. But to outright ban them? That just makes you a Luddite. You may as well ban the internet because we all know how seriously fucked we are if an extremely skilled hacker manage to pull a fire sale.
Click to expand...

actually you demonstrate my point quite well. Dangerous activities such as the ones you listed are regulated and not just anyone can do them without proper training. Such should be the case with lasers this strong. I've never said they should be banned. IF you want one and have a legit use go for it. I'm just scared for the people who think "oh yea it's dangerous" then go and have a simple/stupid mistake and end up with someone being blinded.
 
robble said:
where have I said they should be banned? They should be regulated and not just anybody can buy them.
Click to expand...

I never said you said they should be banned. Some people here have said that, and some people may have accused you of saying that so I understand this confusion.

If they are regulated like hunting rifles, then I am ok with that. I don't mind a little extra paper work. If they are regulated like fully automatic assault rifles, then I have a big problem with it.
 
You sit in your office pretending to work while reading [H]forum, suddenly you see a blue dot creep along the wall. Do you:

a) Ignore it and go about your business
b) Look out the window to try to see who the bored tard is
c) Pull the fire alarm and run for cover


You sit in your office pretending to work while reading [H]forum, suddenly a bullet flies by your head and gets lodged in the wall. Do you:

a) Ignore it and go about your business
b) Look out the window to try to see who the bored tard is
c) Pull the fire alarm and run for cover
 
this not banned is beyond me but the next one must have an attachable x4 scope
 
from the other thread

WhiteZero said:
"I dont think people understand exactly how dangerous this laser is, any living creature that can be anywhere near this beam needs safety glasses. Mirrors arent even the main issue here. if you point this at your matte wall, and look at the dot, you can go blind from that. And it isn't temporary. its blind for life.. yes the reflection off a matte surface.
Click to expand...

oh-my-gawd I stopped breathing for a second. still can't really believe it.
 
this not banned is beyond me but the next one must have an attachable x4 scope
Click to expand...
yes because what better idea than magnifying the dot of blinding light and putting our eye up to it. Sounds as smart as looking at the sun with a telescope or buying an this in the first place.

No laser ban yet but when someone decides to use this on a group of people it will be a shitty day for all, because if what i'm reading is correct that dot will be bright enough from hitting a matte surface to blind everyone in the room.
What happens when you look over to the person getting hit sound like now your blind too. Whats ridiculous about all this is the Jedi light saber look, great combine dangerous laser and Iconic movie weaponry nothing bad can happen.
I'm not against scientist's from having lasers, or 2nd ammendment supporters from having laser rifles:confused: (I'm sure its the way the future is going, but please just make them go PEW and punch threw things not burn and cause blindness)
 
There's a whole community around laser pointers. I mean it should have been expected but I didn't even think about that, some pretty wicked videos of 1 watt green lasers. Seems like no joke.
 
kaIGE said:
yes because what better idea than magnifying the dot of blinding light and putting our eye up to it. Sounds as smart as looking at the sun with a telescope or buying an this in the first place.
Click to expand...

I meant when you look through the scope you’ll see the target just like in the normal rifle scope. like if you were sitting at the very end of the opposite side of the goal keeper in a stadium and wanted to blind him, a scope will be very handy to achieve a quick shot without wasting the battery or risk being exposed while trying to hover the dot on his face :D and this gentlemen is the reason behind the saber look, this thing asks for and motivates evil thoughts.
now seriously, if this can damage the car paint I’m getting one, it’ll be a civilized and safe action against stupid drivers out there.
 
firas said:
I meant when you look through the scope you’ll see the target just like in the normal rifle scope. like if you were sitting at the very end of the opposite side of the goal keeper in a stadium and wanted to blind him, a scope will be very handy to achieve a quick shot without wasting the battery or risk being exposed while trying to hover the dot on his face :D and this gentlemen is the reason behind the saber look, this thing asks for and motivates evil thoughts.
now seriously, if this can damage the car paint I’m getting one, it’ll be a civilized and safe action against stupid drivers out there.
Click to expand...

well maybe some sort of video scope or red dot and while where at it lose the light saber look and put about 6 in an array. Then go deer hunting:eek:. I'm sure a 1w laser would look amazing threw flir being able to see the heat this thing can make. Some people have said they want this to light their barbecue, but I think just aiming this at the steak might do the trick.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top