Secret to overclocking! (see inside)

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chrisf6969

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Ok, so not really a secret. But Overclocking is part art, & part science.

The science part is the methodically trying each variable one at a time to find what more or less stable. (VIP to write down each step) You need to find max ram clock / timings, max FSB, max CPU speed.

The art part is combining those variables (mutlipliers, ratios, timings, etc) to get the max stable OC.

Then its back to the science part to test which Overclock gives you the best results in your preffered games, apps, etc.

For true stability you need to test with dual prime 95 large TTF's or Orthos Beta (which automatically runs dual instances for you).

Anyway, not really a secret.... but if you look at the paper, each one of those lines represents a reboot with BIOS change. Then at each line sometimes I tested many different FSB's using SetFSB.

Having the right tools is important too.
CPU-Z, SetFSM, Memset, Speedfan, Coretemp, Orthos, etc..
 
This is a secret...?

If you're a true overclocker these things "go without saying"... they're part of it

LOL @ this thread
 
I thought he was going to say the secret that using a blowtorch on your IHS actually helps overclocking. :eek:

Good thing he didn't mention my secret.
 
I love it when people suddenly have a little epiphany and feel the need to share it with the world as if they're the first to think it.

Thanks internet, thanks alot.
 
There can be an art to overclocking.

A friend had trouble getting an athlon XP over 2.1GHz.
Some of the ram settings were on auto so we checked with tools in windows and found the settings used by the ram.
Putting the very same settings into the cmos for the ram manually allowed him to clock to 2.3GHz

BIOS weirdness.
 
Sorry, walked off to go eat & didn't realize the image didn't upload.

No, I just thought it was funny looking down at the Redbull & paper. I initially was going to say... "Redbull, pen, paper + patience" Then I thought I'd be more serious. It was actually my 2nd full sheet. The first one was with a different set of ram which didn't overclock well.

This just took longer and a lot more tries than usual.

In the past I've often gotten 50% or close overclocks fairly easily.
(P3 700 @ 1050, P4 1.6a @ 2.4, P4 2.4C @ 3.6Ghz, PD 920 @ 3.9Ghz) - check out some of those old links!

The stock FSB on the Conroe just made it a little bit harder this time around to pin point the weak link. Which happens to be the NB/motherboard for me. Tried 2 different pairs of ram, etc... it wasn't an epiphany. Just funny.... I've spent quite a many hours this weekend trying to get this clock perfectly stable.

Its the motherboard holding me back at the moment. I might upgrade to a different mobo in a few monthss if new BIOS's don't fix my FSB wall that I'm hitting shortly after 333Mhz.

"Only" 25% OC so far:
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It might have been much more. I ALWAYS get Abit or Asus boards. This time I got the Gigabyte for 3 reason this time:
1. Asus P5W DH wasn't in stock anywhere and I had my Conroe on the way
2. Everyone was raving how great it was
3. It was half the price of the Asus P5W DH, so I figure what the hell

Anyway, if I had gotten the Asus, I think I might be a lot close to my 50% goal. :(
 
UncleDavid218 said:
This is a secret...?

If you're a true overclocker these things "go without saying"... they're part of it

LOL @ this thread
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Yeah, I KNOW THAT. But I keep seeing people ask things like. "How to test for stability?" etc..
 
lol
Its impossible to provide a thread that everyone will refer to unless it is stickied.
Even then, you have to laugh at how many dont read it.

Cheers for showing your experiences, I too have made many tables of overclocking data so I dont forget what I can get when optimising again later.
This also allows me to see if anything has improved from bedding in of thermal paste or bedding in of new parts.
I think the thread title is 'ahem' grabbing some attention.

I have now found your secret, its Red Bull !!
 
Chernobyl1 said:
lol
Its impossible to provide a thread that everyone will refer to unless it is stickied.
Even then, you have to laugh at how many dont read it.

Cheers for showing your experiences, I too have made many tables of overclocking data so I dont forget what I can get when optimising again later.
This also allows me to see if anything has improved from bedding in of thermal paste or bedding in of new parts.
I think the thread title is 'ahem' grabbing some attention.

I have now found your secret, its Red Bull !!
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Yep, I knew the title would get attention! :)
 
chrisf6969 said:
http://www.crowdcontrolusa.com/overclock/art_of_OC.gif /IMG]

Ok, so not really a secret. But Overclocking is part art, & part science.

The science part is the methodically trying each variable one at a time to find what more or less stable. (VIP to write down each step) You need to find max ram clock / timings, max FSB, max CPU speed.

The art part is combining those variables (mutlipliers, ratios, timings, etc) to get the max stable OC.

Then its back to the science part to test which Overclock gives you the best results in your preffered games, apps, etc.

For true stability you need to test with dual prime 95 large TTF's or Orthos Beta (which automatically runs dual instances for you).

[B]Anyway, not really a secret.... but if you look at the paper, each one of those lines represents a reboot with BIOS change. Then at each line sometimes I tested many different FSB's using SetFSB. [/B]

Having the right tools is important too.
CPU-Z, SetFSM, Memset, Speedfan, Coretemp, Orthos, etc..[/QUOTE]
here i was thinking red bull makes a good coolant and all i find out is that you have some shpanky piece of paper with numbers on it :(

*hides* lmfao
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0mega said:
here i was thinking red bull makes a good coolant and all i find out is that you have some shpanky piece of paper with numbers on it :(

*hides* lmfao
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Everyone knows you need Bawls to overclock.
 
Yeah, I KNOW THAT. But I keep seeing people ask things like. "How to test for stability?" etc..
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Nono, I totally agree with that statement... I really dont like when a new member comes onto the forum listing their stats and begging for some overclock help. As a rule I always try to help these people, because I know that overclocking isn't the easiest thing to do (and really, Eclipse's guide is VERY indepth, wayyyy too specific for those that just want a mild OC).

Overclocking is a science. Hell it's an ART. It's something that you get better with, from practice, research and cumulative knowledge. Medical tests are just that, tests. You don't go around asking the scientific community whether you think something's going to work or not, you do a study on it. Overclocking should be treated the same way.

I think I might go ahead and truncate some of Eclipse's guide (with his permission of course) and make a very VERY noob, to the point, small OC *beginners* tutorial. As it stands right now, I pretty much copy-paste the exact same paragraph into every "Help with overclock plz" thread I see.

Having said this, eclipse's guide is really damn good, but it's a hell of a read for some under-experienced users.
 
shit in blue bottle pwns. clear = crap :p

Regardless, all my overclocking i remember in my head, dividers i need to run, timings i need :p
 
spine said:
I love it when people suddenly have a little epiphany and feel the need to share it with the world as if they're the first to think it.

Thanks internet, thanks alot.
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ROFL

*roling around*
 
Bah ! double Bah !!! the true secret of overclocking is.....


AIRFLOW !!!!


-or-

watercooling.
 
BillParrish said:
Bah ! double Bah !!! the true secret of overclocking is.....


AIRFLOW !!!!


-or-

watercooling.
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Wrong....
Turn it up till it dont boot, Back it off by 5% at a time till it boots then Worry about cooling it off... :D

I always start by doing a 20% jump off the bat..If it sticks I tweak from there... It if dont stick.. I throw it away and get another one.. :p

The OP picture looks like WAY to much work..
 
The secret to overclocking is realising that you never finish.
 
chrisf6969 said:
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Ok, so not really a secret. But Overclocking is part art, & part science.

The science part is the methodically trying each variable one at a time to find what more or less stable. (VIP to write down each step) You need to find max ram clock / timings, max FSB, max CPU speed.

The art part is combining those variables (mutlipliers, ratios, timings, etc) to get the max stable OC.

Then its back to the science part to test which Overclock gives you the best results in your preffered games, apps, etc.

For true stability you need to test with dual prime 95 large TTF's or Orthos Beta (which automatically runs dual instances for you).

Anyway, not really a secret.... but if you look at the paper, each one of those lines represents a reboot with BIOS change. Then at each line sometimes I tested many different FSB's using SetFSB.

Having the right tools is important too.
CPU-Z, SetFSM, Memset, Speedfan, Coretemp, Orthos, etc..
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OMG THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR ..FOR YEARS!!!! YOU DID IT OMG PAPER AND PEN WOW AMAZING!!! .....did you by any chance read this forum or many others on the web?
 
Would be nice to have a DETAILED overclocking guide for the Gigabyte DS3. Many times when you read up on threads about overclocking, a lot of issues are not resolved. The DS3 is fairly new so it could be updated as the BIOS is updated and new settings are discovered
 
Arcygenical said:
^^ Until you run out of money.
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Not even then! There's always a new bios to get, newer drivers to help tweak the system, maybe play with the cooling to optimise airflow etc etc. I actually never stop tinkering with my system until it breaks and I have to upgrade or I just upgrade. But usually I'll break it first. :p
 
chrisf6969 said:
The science part is the methodically trying each variable one at a time to find what more or less stable. (VIP to write down each step) You need to find max ram clock / timings, max FSB, max CPU speed.
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thus this is my sig at XS..
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and i have many many papers full of "notes" and excel charts tabulating bench results and timing's effect on mhz/performance
 
WickedWeasel said:
Would be nice to have a DETAILED overclocking guide for the Gigabyte DS3. Many times when you read up on threads about overclocking, a lot of issues are not resolved. The DS3 is fairly new so it could be updated as the BIOS is updated and new settings are discovered
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This is about the best thread around for the DS3 :
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=110460

Informative FAQ at the beginning then like 20 pages of people's trial & errors, etc
 
I've been reading that thread. Hope the DS3's BIOS improves and most of the problems will be worked out before I get one. Would be nice to have a summary of all the settings to use or not to use.
 
I wouldnt really call it a art....like cases modding would be more of a art.

Overclocking is all trial and error as there is no exact science to make your chip magically hit 4ghz. Its just all time and testing.
 
Highlife said:
I wouldnt really call it a art....like cases modding would be more of a art.

Overclocking is all trial and error as there is no exact science to make your chip magically hit 4ghz. Its just all time and testing.
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I called the combination of the factors an art (like after you figure out the max FSB, max CPU speed, max ram speed, then combining to get your max OC). Or even when you're buying/picking your parts to build the rig which will directly affect your OC. I compared it to like cooking & combining ingredients.

But I guess you could call it a science.
 
Borgschulze said:
Everyone knows you need Bawls to overclock.
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D'oh! :eek:

Now what i'd really like to see is [H]ardware level overclocking :D
 
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