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scared VGA silencer

Originally posted by wigs1979
Hey packnheat! Just curious, what aircraft do you work on?
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Welcome to [H].

Aircraft tape is quite common in hardware stores... It gets selled because of being "aricraft quality", which in fact it is....
I have only used to paste some posters in my room. (the thing wont damage your walls....)
 
Originally posted by PacknHeat
Thank you. :)

The silencer was lapped wet on a piece of glass using what is known as micromesh. It is a series of progressively finer and finer abrasive sand paper. It goes all the way down to 12000 grit. That is very very fine. We use the micromesh kits to remove scratches and polish acrylic windows on aircraft.
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did you hold the silencer or the glass when sanding is what i really want to know?
 
Originally posted by chinoquezada
Welcome to [H].

Aircraft tape is quite common in hardware stores... It gets selled because of being "aricraft quality", which in fact it is....
I have only used to paste some posters in my room. (the thing wont damage your walls....)
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i am a third generation pilot, and i can tell you for sure that "aircraft quality" means absolutly.......shit. it dosent take much to be "aircraft quality" hell most planes are made out of recycled beer cans anyways (unless the are cabon fiber, which will become brittle and crack in 10yrs) so dont ever pay anymore for somthing that is "aircraft quality" if you can get the same product with a different packaging. lesson learned
 
Originally posted by GtrPmp
i am a third generation pilot, and i can tell you for sure that "aircraft quality" means absolutly.......shit. it dosent take much to be "aircraft quality" hell most planes are made out of recycled beer cans anyways (unless the are cabon fiber, which will become brittle and crack in 10yrs) so dont ever pay anymore for somthing that is "aircraft quality" if you can get the same product with a different packaging. lesson learned
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thanks mate... I feel so much better flying now I know the plane was made with the 6 pack I drank earlier. :p
 
You may be a pilot gtr but not a mechanic there is a difference in aircraft quality. I went to school for aviation repair and they are pretty strict on quality control. everything looks the same until you really look at it and know what your looking for. but I guess tape doesnt really count not unless its holding the wing:p
 
Originally posted by PacknHeat
I was glad the shim did not have to be removed and void the warranty.
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Heh...who'da thunkit your cocaine stash would come in handy for clockin'! :D
 
I am a crew chief on F-16s, and believe me there is a quality difference. There is also a difference between aircraft quality and MIL SPEC aircraft quality. It all depends on what the material is designed for. There are huge differences in strength and tolerances between parts and material for a Cessna and parts for a fighter pullin 9G's and haulin ass at mach 2. BTW, Mach 2 and 9G's is awesome, I have personal experience. :D :eek:


Also, we don't use tape to hold parts together. We use speedtape on the leading edges of flight control surfaces. Then we use a badass sealant to cover the edges of the tape. This gives a smoother/more predictable airflow over the surface. It is also easier to replace the tape/sealant than the whole stabilizer leading edge if some jackass bangs someting into it. So its also a protective feature.

And also, on topic, the VGA silencer rocks! It allowed around 40 Mhz higher OC on core of 9800 Pro and dropped case temps around 4 degrees C. Took about 15 minutes to install. I really don't see how anyone could have a problem with it.
 
haha well the worst thing that can happen to your card is what happend to mine, I physically damaged it while trying to install rev 2 which isn't even meant to fit on a 9600 pro. But still i'm sitting here today with the same card in my rig running with the arctic silencer..
 
Originally posted by kennyc28
You may be a pilot gtr but not a mechanic there is a difference in aircraft quality. I went to school for aviation repair and they are pretty strict on quality control. everything looks the same until you really look at it and know what your looking for. but I guess tape doesnt really count not unless its holding the wing:p
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yes quality is a very important and very strict issue in aviation, i was just messin around saying that just because somthing says its aircraft quality dosent mean its a superiour product. (btw my grandfather and my father are both certified aircraft inspectors, my grandfather opporates a buisiness in which he converts aircraft from a piston radial engine to a turboprop engine, these go on m-18 dramadeer crop dusting aircraft, and my father has 20yrs in a crop duster, i work with my grandfather alot, so i belive that is safe to say that i know my shit when it comes to planes)
 
I just installed mine an an ATi Radeon 9700Pro All In Wonder without any problems, some of you people truly suck at life.
 
Originally posted by MooCow
I just installed mine an an ATi Radeon 9700Pro All In Wonder without any problems, some of you people truly suck at life.
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SO i guess you've never made mistakes while building or modding something in your computer. You got your modding skills from the womb, right?:rolleyes:

Give a MF break, i'm pissed off as it is...:mad:
 
Heh...this reminds me of the T-bird Kyle fried "Four Feets good, eight feets baaaaaaad" :D. Are all men created equal? Maybe, and perhaps video cards aren't.

Perhaps some vidcards just don't like being modded AT ALL, regardless of the skill of the modder.
 
I can't believe this thread is still going. Folks, sometimes we bork the things we love. Anyone who has been modding long enough has killed something at some point. Perhaps not a whole component like a video card but certainly everyone has their share of stripped screws, bent brackets, broken fan blades, etc, etc.

My point is this. Can you break your card while installing a VGA silencer? Of course. You could break your card removing the stock heatsink for any modifcation. You could overtighten screws or break a trace while installing any aftermarket product. The question is, is there something inherently wrong with the VGA silencer that causes some sort of virtually inescapable damage?

My vote is no but I guess someone disagrees with me or this thread wouldn't still be hammering on.
 
You take old components and molest the shit out of them, break old hardware, see how much it can take, etc. Only then do you get the real feel of how much stress the PCB, CORE, etc. can take.
 
Just did the VGA silencer mod, easy as pie. Took all of 20 minutes maybe. I used Arctic Silver 5, left the shim on, checked the HSF for good contact after adding the paste and then tightened everything down snug. But not too tight. Easiest mod in the world and great quality product. Easy to follow directions included, and you should follow them, be patient and use common sense to avoid some of the problems I've read about in this thread. It's beyond me how someone could screw up this mod but hey, I guess shit happens. Anyway...

It took my 9800 non pro to 436 Core so far, not bad. As soon as the AS5 sets up, I'll go for more. Infinineon (sp? :rolleyes: ) memory however is maxxed out. Card is 100% artifact free at this speed. (Tested with ATItool Artifact scan, endless loops of 3dmark2003 Nature, 3dmark2001se nature & hours of UT2004)

Here's some benches from todays testing after installation.

Test Set up:
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2.4C @ 3.40Ghz - M0 Stepping @ 1.65v
P4P800-DLX Rev 2 - Bios 1016 @ 283mhz fsb
MAM-Enabled Performance-Standard
TT Tiger NB Cooler & Fan w/AS Ceramique
1GB OCZ PC3500EB @ 2.5-3-2-5 @ 2.85v (226mhz) 5:4 Ratio
ATI Radeon 9800 non pro @ 436/656 (Arctic VGA Silencer w/Arctic Silver 5)
Antec True Control 550watt PSU

Results
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Aquamark3
49,231

3dmark2001se
20,002

3dmark2003
6358

Sandra Max 3
6,121 MB/s Buffered
3,194 MB/s Unbuffered

Aida32
5,479 Read
1,911 Write

Super Pi
40 Seconds (1M)

I would encourage anyone that wants to squeeze the last drop out of their Radeon to give this product a shot. Easily worth $20 & 20 minutes.
 
Originally posted by MooCow
I just installed mine an an ATi Radeon 9700Pro All In Wonder without any problems, some of you people truly suck at life.
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Did you plug the power from the Artic Silencer into the video card's fan header, or splice it into a Molex?
 
Killed my card a couple of weeks ago with one of these Arctic Cooling monsters. I was too mad at the time to post here as I was 1,000,000% careful about the whole installation after reading all this horror.

Made for damn sure I only tightened the screws to the point where nothing would shift and no more. Of course was careful to put a nice precise layer of thermal paste down. Made sure the parts were making good contact.

Was rather proud of myself that the installation went so smoothly, plugged the card in confidently. Booted up and got the infamous lines up and down the screen.

I was literally shaking after I saw that.

Simply put this cooler isnt worth the potential horror it can unleash in your world. The maniacs who designed this POS should be sued and whipped.
 
Damn, I feel for you guys who jacked their vid cards. I would be sooooooo pissed if I lost my vid card like that.

Fortunately my installation on my 9700 AIW went very smooth...initially. Then I decided that having just a high and low setting wasn't enough and decided to hook it to my Super Flower Fan Master. (the Fan Master is another kickass product) For some reason I figured that the 3 wires coming off the 2 speed switch were just like normal 3-pin fan wires and hooked up power directly to those wires like you would normally for any 3 wire fan. I ended up frying the fan motor on the Silencer. So, with the aid of a Dremel and finally finding a 3 wire fan motor that would work with the Silencer's fan I now have total control of the unit. At 5,000 rpm this thing sounds like its getting ready to take off. :) But, at 2,000 rpm its very quiet. I'm kinda glad I burned that fan motor up. This thing really kicks ass now.
 
went perfectly onto my card also, except that the shim ahd to go, but case temps dropped several C because of it
 
Orbius said:
Made for damn sure I only tightened the screws to the point where nothing would shift and no more.
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That might be where you went off-track... you're only supposed to tighten the screws to the point where they, and the video card, meet up at the black rubber washers. You're not supposed to snug them, they're just supposed to be barely touching. That's how I did it, and I got great results.
 
Well, I just put in my VGA Silencer yesterday and I found that the installation was pretty easy. Other than that though, it sucks. In 2d mode, there aren't any artifacts, but in 3d mode, the screen shimmers with artifacts. Excellent. So, I opened my case to see if there was anything wrong and it seems like my Silencer isn't really blowing much air out the back, if any (the fan is on high). By holding my hand over the intake part, it seems like all the air was coming out there.

I got pissed off at the Silencer and put back on the stock heatsink, but I still have a shitload of artifacts. I was very ginger with my card and the whole tightening bracket deal and it still seems to have broken (Circuit city will take it back though, I think).

One thing that I noticed was that I put on way too much thermal compound, enough that it spilled out and got on the chip packaging. Could that be my problem?
 
i installed the vga silencer revision 3 to my x800 pro today... i had no problems. I took off 3 screws to my sapphire heatsink, got some toothpicks and scratched off the themal grease from the core. Put on some artic silver 5, and put the vga silencer on. No probs so far. I was scared when I first turned it onand i didnt hear anything, and the card was on high, but I felt the air coming through pci slot. I love it, quietest thing ever. Umm, I havent heard any problems with installing this cooler : ;)
 
mantastic said:
......One thing that I noticed was that I put on way too much thermal compound, enough that it spilled out and got on the chip packaging. Could that be my problem?
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if that is the case clean off all of the thermal paste from any resistors or metal contacts
 
I love Circuit City. They exchanged my fried card, no questions asked! And the card I got is even better than the one I had. My old one overclocked (using ATITool) to 407/360 using stock cooling (before the VGA Silencer incident) and the new one overclocks to 430/380, also using stock cooling. I think I am going to quit while I'm ahead.
 
Soooooo... Anyone who has successfully modded their 128MB Sapphire 9800Pro and would like to sell me their factory heatsink (the silver trapezoid shaped one)can PM me. Mine is now among the ranks of cards that were ominously and permanently "silenced". I want to RMA it, but have already tossed (or rather my loving wife tossed :eek: ) the factory one. Thanks!
 
Add me to the list of successful rev.3 installs. How do you read the core temperature (without adding your own sensor)?
 
I don't know how ppl are haveing trouble installing this...
I was a little scared because of ppl jacking their cards up but I did installed it anyway. It was real easy and my core OC hs gone up to 450!

Take it slow and be careful and you can do it.
 
I have installed 3 of these onto 4 different cards (changed one from a non moddable 9500np to a moddable 9500np) and have had no problems whatsoever.

So now I have 2 9500np---->9700 running on a rev.1 and a rev.2 and a true 9700pro on a rev.2.

I have had no problems and they overclock like crazy.

WHen I finally break down and get a new card (800XT maybe) then I will buy another one and put it on.

As for putting them on, I just turned each screw the same number of times (alternating.. as in 4 on this one, then 4 on that one) over and over until both were quite snug.
Then I checked out the level on the heatsink, and checked to make sure it was level.
Also, I DID remove the shim from all of the cards since the heatsink did NOT make good contact with the shim ON, but GREAT contact with the shim off.
Also, if you remove the shim carefully, you can re-attach it with a touch of superglue if you ever need to (Not that I ever RMA'd a card that way ;) )

D.
 
I've noitced some people have been using Arctic Silver 5 as thermal compound. Will Arctic Silver 3 be enuff? I still have some leftover for when i put BGA ramsinks on my 9800PRO 128mb.
 
I just ordered my Rev 3 yesterday and will be mounting it next week somettime, I'll post results.
 
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