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blackmomba

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Ummm yeah that’s how it works. You can claim any card is good at anything if you move the goal posts.

So... How will we ever have a 4k card if new games are coming out everyday and new cards come out once every 6 months?

How long did you think before you made this post?
 

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So... How will we ever have a 4k card if new games are coming out everyday and new cards come out once every 6 months?

How long did you think before you made this post?

What exactly is a "4k card"? Is that some sort of label that's supposed to last forever? Your entire premise is silly.
 

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So... How will we ever have a 4k card if new games are coming out everyday and new cards come out once every 6 months?

How long did you think before you made this post?
The GPU technology would need to improve faster than the demands of the game increases for a given resolution.

This has happened pretty consistently over time, but it happens slowly. Just think about when the last time you played a game at 1024 by 768 was.
 

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As bad as the present situation is, I do believe (despite being a natural pessimist) that most of us who want one will have either a NV 3xxx or Radeon 6xxx card by late Nov.
 

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Both the 1080's and 2080's were tough as hell to snag when they came out, too. I struggled to get both of those as well. Yet I did. Ditto with these cards. The bot situation has amplified things, but this isn't surprising or new. The same thing is going on with the new consoles, too. They sold out in minutes and they continue to do so whenever any retailers pre-sell more of them. Those are basically just a glorified IOU. People have these cards. They exist. OEM's are claiming that more will be on the way this month. AMD has their own card coming in a few weeks, too. Let's see where things go in the next 6 weeks before acting like this entire tech generation is a myth.
 

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I meant enough to handle 4K the normal way, by merely pushing the pixels to the monitor.
Of course gaming was never an option. =p

Soooo you tried to make a point by telling us a 200+ watt gpu was able to do what Intels IGP has done “normally” for years?
 

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over past few weeks I have seen stock of 3080s trickle in. gigabyte,asus, evga, zotac. I picked up a 3090 as a walk in.

The cards are real, my friend got his 3080 on day 3, but he had put a deposit in store. Reminds me of 1080, 1080ti and 2080 ti all over again.
 

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As bad as the present situation is, I do believe (despite being a natural pessimist) that most of us who want one will have either a NV 3xxx or Radeon 6xxx card by late Nov.

too late...I need one by mid-November for Cyberpunk 2077 ;)
 

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over past few weeks I have seen stock of 3080s trickle in. gigabyte,asus, evga, zotac. I picked up a 3090 as a walk in.

The cards are real, my friend got his 3080 on day 3, but he had put a deposit in store. Reminds me of 1080, 1080ti and 2080 ti all over again.

I bought cards during all of those launches. This is the worst I've ever seen it. It's also the first time I wasn't able to secure a card on launch day. I think I had to wait a week or so on the RTX 2080 Ti. Of course, I also opted to wait for AIB's to come out which were a month behind the FE cards.
 

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While the 1080 and 2080 cards sold out quickly and didn't get back in stock often for months, they definitely weren't this rare. I mean, if you wanted either of those, they were in stock for a day or two. I was stuck in a meeting for nearly the entire launch day of the 2080 and managed to buy an AIB model on day 2. On Amazon, too. I even bypassed buying a pair of AIB's that I didn't like the look of. I had a similar experience with the 1080, although I bought one from Nvidia on week 2 after they sold out of the first batch.
The bot thing has turned a day or two (or even a week or two) into seconds or minutes. Factors like COVID and more people working at home in front of a PC all day are compounding things, too.
 

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Am I seriously the only one here who remembers the summer of 2016, when the 1080 launched, and it was OMFG AMAZING, also priced at $699 (at least the one I had was), and also borderline unobtanium for several months?

This happens every time. Even with the 20 series, which we all knew was going to be disappointing.


As was the Vega 64 at-launch in July 2017. The $500 launch price never existed for the first six months of it's existence. (if you could even find stock) :rolleyes:

Four months after launch, this deal was almost unheard of (but according to you whiny folks, this never happened):

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3235966/amd-radeon-rx-vega-56-vega-64-sale-price.html

The AMD lovers in this thread have poor memory, most likely caused by NVIDIA being 6 month to a year ahead of AMD on most high-end launches.

Some people just have a habit of rewriting history in their own minds to make the rest of the world easier for them to contemplate - that makes NVIDIA the Easy Bad Guy (TM)

I would expect the same from Big Navi. The last time AMD had a top-end launch with wide availability was their intentionally-overpriced HD 7970 at $550, to reduce the Resellers Rush. They learned this trick after the 5870 was sold-out for it's first 6 months for having too low launch price, but then forgot that lesson Yet AGAIN with the ludicrously-good-value $400 R9 290, which took a year to resurface at MSRP! They have repeated those mistakes with Fury X and Vega 64.
 
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I don't consider unable to get day 1 as a bad thing. Took my friend 3 days for him to get his email saying it was in hand, and my card was procured in a week.

As far as launches go, I've found no launch to be perfect and waiting is part of the game, especially when demand is high. Since getting my card, I jave helped 8 friends get random model 3080s. 1 friend wants a 3090 but I am having a hard time finding that despite the crazy price being a deterrent
 

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Also, performance per watt? Do we actually give a shit on a desktop part? I know I don't. I'm not saying that Ampere is fantastic, but I couldn't give two shits about how much power a GPU pulls so long as I can keep it cool.
^ This. I don't know why more people don't get it. Who gives a crap how much power desktop parts draw so long as you can keep them cool... and if you're that concerned about your hydro bill, you invested in the wrong setup.
 
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I'm still using a GTX 670 because I keep missing windows of opportunity. I first considered upgrading during the Maxwell generation, but Pascal was right around the corner so I thought I'd wait. The cards of that generation never seemed to come down to a reasonable price (or I was preoccupied when that happened), and I was scared to be an early adopter with RTX 20 series because of all the weird issues with artifacting supposedly caused by bad VRAM.

Now the RTX 30 series is here and I've found myself still using a 9-year old GPU, and considering building a new computer while relying on integrated graphics until Lovelace comes out and either snag a pre-order or hope someone sells their old RTX 30 for a reasonable price... because my old 4-core 3770 is starting to show its age at this point (mostly because of core count rather than anything else). My GTX 670 is still pretty decent for 1080p if I don't use max settings (I don't own a 4K monitor), but I am not sure how much longer it can hold out... sigh. If I'd known I'd be using this hardware almost 10 years from now, I would have gotten the X79 platform with more cores and maybe paid for the GTX 680... never knew this PC was as good as it was going to get for me for a long time.

I don't know if Lovelace will be called the RTX 40 series or not, but if that comes out before the end of 2022 I'll probably try and go for it. If I have to wait another year or two, I might as well aim for next gen anyway, right?
 

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Sorry folks, but you have to position yourself at the top of the pile. You have to become a tech-alpha-OG-dawg. Playing the naive helpless consumer will not get you shit. Maybe nVidia will get their shit together in 2 years ( doubtful ) and instead of launching asap, they wait several weeks to build stock levels to meet demand, again, highly highly doubtful.
Yo dawg! Life's a game, you gotta play it like Playstation 2!

Be handy with the steel, earn ya keep!
 

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I'm still using a GTX 670 because I keep missing windows of opportunity. I first considered upgrading during the Maxwell generation, but Pascal was right around the corner so I thought I'd wait. The cards of that generation never seemed to come down to a reasonable price (or I was preoccupied when that happened), and I was scared to be an early adopter with RTX 20 series because of all the weird issues with artifacting supposedly caused by bad VRAM.

And whose fault is this?

Grow some balls.

Not buying first-gen RTX? pick-up a massively-discounted Pascal card like I did (mining clearance prior to the release of the 1660 Ti)

The deaI I got on the half-off GTX 1060 was alive for over a week AFTER I discovered it on the hot deals forum (The 1070 for $175 was dead by that time I found it, but I didn't get pissy over this). That Zotac card is still running fine 2.5 years later.

After Turning was stable, you could have pricked-up the amazing value that is the $159 GTX 1650 Super? Double the VRAM of your current card (with over diouble the performance). Or possibly jumnp-up to the the 1660 Super (Triple the performance of your current card + triple vram , at $229.)

Grow a pair, or your video card will b EOLed by NVIDIA! I will just wait untill next year for MSRPstock to appear on either the $330 3060, or wait for the $270 cut 6gb card.
 
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And whose fault is this?
Not blaming anyone for it, just complaining about the state of things. I grew up in a world where we had a lot of competition, choice, and reasonable deals when it comes to graphics cards instead of this insane scrabble for whatever the heck you can get for a reasonable price. I don't want to be competing with other buyers for graphics cards, I want graphics card companies to be competing for my business. It takes the fun out of PC building for me because I build PCs so I can get the exact parts I want and strike a perfect balance. Not having a lot of choice in graphics cards due to the insane prices and limited opportunity windows kind of ruins that for me. If my card were actually dead and I absolutely needed a replacement, I would probably just pay for a scalped one. But these prices and all this BS kinda make me want to run what I have into the ground before spending a dime to support the insanity that the GPU market has become.
The deaI I got on the half-off GTX 1060 was alive for over a week AFTER I discovered it on the hot deals forum (The 1070 for $175 was dead by that time I found it, but I didn't get pissy over this). That Zotac card is still running fine 2.5 years later.

That right there is exactly the problem I have with this stuff. There was never a chance to get anything better than a 1060 for a half-decent price that I could see. I don't want to pay these inflated prices or get stuck with a third-tier card. I guess it's a matter of pride and what I'm used to. To you, this is me lacking balls. To me, spending this kind of money or settling for a third-tier card would be like swallowing my pride, because I always prided myself on making better deals and getting what I wanted for the price I wanted. I still can't find a 1070 for a decent price. Patience used to pay off, now it's people who pre-order stuff that seem to benefit. Generations just don't last long enough for prices to become reasonable, so they hold their value a lot longer than they "should."
After Turning was stable, you could have pricked-up the amazing value that is the $159 GTX 1650 Super? Double the VRAM of your current card (with over diouble the performance). Or possibly jumnp-up to the the 1660 Super (Triple the performance of your current card + triple vram , at $229.)
Well, at those prices I might have picked one up (I wasn't even looking at the time that deal was there because I had other stuff going on), but I really don't think a 1650 is "over double the performance." It has terrible memory bandwidth and honestly I don't want to drop down to a fourth-tier card that I'll be wanting to upgrade again before I know it. And the icing on the cake is, while those cards might have been an okay deal under $300, they're now over $400. That is definitely not a fair price for what you get, relatively speaking.
Grow a pair, or your video card will b EOLed by NVIDIA! I will just wait untill next year for MSRPstock to appear on either the $330 3060, or wait for the $270 cut 6gb card.
Yeah, again, if my card got EOLed or died, I would have probably just paid scalper prices to get what I want. It's not like I haven't saved a lot of money not buying parts over the years... maybe I should overpay, all the decent cards are about the same sky-high price anyway. I know I'm probably going to wind up overpaying since graphics cards aren't going back to normal anytime soon (if ever), I might as well wait for the latest tech possible to blow $1,500 on. If that's the price of a good GPU instead of a third-rate GPU now, then I think it should be understandable why I want to run what I have until EOL or card death.
 
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Not blaming anyone for it, just complaining about the state of things. I grew up in a world where we had a lot of competition, choice, and reasonable deals when it comes to graphics cards instead of this insane scrabble for whatever the heck you can get for a reasonable price. I don't want to be competing with other buyers for graphics cards, I want graphics card companies to be competing for my business. It takes the fun out of PC building for me because I build PCs so I can get the exact parts I want and strike a perfect balance. Not having a lot of choice in graphics cards due to the insane prices and limited opportunity windows kind of ruins that for me. If my card were actually dead and I absolutely needed a replacement, I would probably just pay for a scalped one. But these prices and all this BS kinda make me want to run what I have into the ground before spending a dime to support the insanity that the GPU market has become.


That right there is exactly the problem I have with this stuff. There was never a chance to get anything better than a 1060 for a half-decent price that I could see. I don't want to pay these inflated prices or get stuck with a third-tier card. I guess it's a matter of pride and what I'm used to. To you, this is me lacking balls. To me, spending this kind of money or settling for a third-tier card would be like swallowing my pride, because I always prided myself on making better deals and getting what I wanted for the price I wanted. I still can't find a 1070 for a decent price.

Well, at those prices I might have picked one up (I wasn't even looking at the time that deal was there because I had other stuff going on), but I really don't think a 1650 is "over double the performance." It has terrible memory bandwidth and honestly I don't want to drop down to a fourth-tier card that I'll be wanting to upgrade again before I know it. And the icing on the cake is, while those cards might have been an okay deal under $300, they're now over $400. That is definitely not a fair price for what you get, relatively speaking.

Yeah, again, if my card got EOLed or died, I would have probably just paid scalper prices to get what I want. It's not like I haven't saved a lot of money not buying parts over the years... maybe I should overpay, all the decent cards are about the same sky-high price anyway. I know I'm probably going to wind up overpaying since graphics cards aren't going back to normal anytime soon (if ever), I might as well wait for the latest tech possible to blow $1,500 on. If that's the price of a good GPU instead of a third-rate GPU now, then I think it should be understandable why I want to run what I have until EOL or card death.
Right on, bro ;)
 

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Well, at those prices I might have picked one up (I wasn't even looking at the time that deal was there because I had other stuff going on), but I really don't think a 1650 is "over double the performance." It has terrible memory bandwidth and honestly I don't want to drop down to a fourth-tier card that I'll be wanting to upgrade again before I know it. And the icing on the cake is, while those cards might have been an okay deal under $300, they're now over $400. That is definitely not a fair price for what you get, relatively speaking.
if you coul;d stop your incessant whinimg, you'd realize I was talking about the 1650 SUPER

read em ad fucking weep: it's a match for my 1060 6gb at 4k:


relative-performance_3840-2160.png

That's a 1060 replacement for $160! (the 128-bit works because GDDR6)

And here is your old acard for comparison ( versus the 1060,) your 670 s slightly faster than the 760)


perfrel_3840_2160.png

Total speedup is 100% / 41% = 2.45x. MOVING UP TO the 1660 Super would yield 140% / 41% = 3.445 total (because it's a 1070 replacement!)

The only one here unable to fathom the fact that waiting eight fucking years for a fucking graphics card upgrade mean s you can keep your budget pretty cheap (I asume youre not running anythin gf heavy, likely 1080p?). Those graphs are both from 4k max res(so they won't hit the vram or bandwidth walls anytime soon, although the 6gb card wikll have greater longevity)

Also, having a newer architecture means you get way better compression than your ancient Kepler card - that is why my GTX 960 can play c competitively with a GTX 770 (it has haf the bus width).
 
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if you coul;d stop your incessant whinimg, you'd realize I was talking about the 1650 SUPER

read em ad fucking weep: it's a match for my 1060 6gb at 4k:
You've kinda made my point for me with that statement. If I was going to be satisfied with 1060 performance as an upgrade, don't you think I would have gotten a 1060 already? Could have done that 3 or 4 years ago. A 1060 or 1650 Super is STILL a 1080p card at heart in my opinion, which means I'm just getting an upgrade to basically stick with 1080p until I buy yet another card. I'm the guy who already said "no" to settling for a 1060 a few years back, am I supposed to change my tune because they're calling it a 1650 Super and be impressed now? I look at it this way... we're being asked to pay almost 3070 prices for the performance equivalent of a freaking 1060, 5 years after that card launched. I guess I'm the only one that has a problem with the fact that what was considered third-tier performance almost 5 years ago is STILL the best you can get for under $500 unless you are very lucky. I don't want a card with only 6GB anyway, not if I'm actually going to upgrade. I admit that I didn't see the "Super" part earlier, so it's not AS bad a part as I was thinking, but it's still pretty bad that it's basically the same upgrade I rejected almost 5 years ago because I wanted at least 1070 performance. When I built a PC for a friend, I got him a 2060 SUPER with 8GB of RAM at a fairly good price, and I actually apologized that I couldn't fit a 2070 into his budget. That was basically the minimum I would have accepted for myself, too, and I probably should have picked one up for myself at the same time. But the honest truth is, I don't want a *50 or *60 series card at all. It feels like settling for something I know very well I'm not going to be happy with long-term because it's the best deal I can get right now. I've always regretted settling for a card like that whenever I got one and wound up getting something new within two years.
Total speedup is 100% / 41% = 2.45x. MOVING UP TO the 1660 Super would yield 140% / 41% = 3.445 total (because it's a 1070 replacement!)

The only one here unable to fathom the fact that waiting eight fucking years for a fucking graphics card upgrade mean s you can keep your budget pretty cheap (I asume youre not running anythin gf heavy, likely 1080p?). Those graphs are both from 4k max res(so they won't hit the vram or bandwidth walls anytime soon, although the 6gb card wikll have greater longevity)

Also, having a newer architecture means you get way better compression than your ancient Kepler card - that is why my GTX 960 can play c competitively with a GTX 770 (it has haf the bus width).

So again, you're still arguing that I should settle instead of get what I actually want. If that were my mentality, I would just get a pre-built system and have done with it, throwing in the towel and admitting I have basically no control over the quality of parts that go into it and that all the decisions are being made for me by market forces. I do understand what you mean, that I can get something that's an improvement over what I have in hand, but the problem is it's basically the same performance upgrade I could have gotten 4 years ago. It's already WAY obsolete, and I haven't gotten any kind of payoff for waiting. It's clear the kind of things that irritate me don't irritate you, and you consider them "whining." Fine, maybe it's my Asperger's talking and I'm not a "realist" that can "play the game," because I have a mind full of old shoulds and oughts relating to buying graphics cards that prevent me from being happy with a lower-tier part or a bad deal. Don't mind me, I'm just an old man that can't accept the "new normal" of graphics card pricing and availability without resentment.

I would have been MAYBE okay with a 1660 Super for under $500 if I weren't building a new PC, and were just upgrading this one. But those cards cost a pretty penny right now, and I really don't want to slap one into a brand-new system anyway. And the funny thing about waiting is, I have a lot of money saved up and want the best I can get after waiting all this time. I didn't wait to get a cheap part, I waited to save up as much as I could for a better part because of how high the prices are for a decent tier GPU that will actually last me a while.

I've decided now, talking to you has helped me clarify my own thinking. I'm buying a Lovelace/4080 card when those come out, whatever the pricing is. If I have to pay $2,000 to get one, so be it. I can live with the idea that I have to pay to get what I want, if it comes down to it. I probably won't buy another card for a long time after that anyway, and in fact it may well be the last GPU I ever buy. I'm not getting any younger.
 

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So again, you're still arguing that I should settle instead of get what I actually want.
The problem with you is this: you don't actually know what you want.

You spend a chapter-and-a-half explaining to all of us how Life is So Unfair, cant buy a compromise video card, while never actuality telling us any SPECIFIC games or features you're excited about buying into!

You're the only thing holding back your fucking video card future.and until you acknowledge this little fact, I'm not going to act as your free mental health bump
 

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heck, with prices still rising as they are on eBay I'll be lucky if I can save up for a used GTX 460 this year.

Remember when folks here used to joke about having to sell your first born to get a descent gaming card?
 

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You've kinda made my point for me with that statement. If I was going to be satisfied with 1060 performance as an upgrade, don't you think I would have gotten a 1060 already? Could have done that 3 or 4 years ago. A 1060 or 1650 Super is STILL a 1080p card at heart in my opinion, which means I'm just getting an upgrade to basically stick with 1080p until I buy yet another card. I'm the guy who already said "no" to settling for a 1060 a few years back, am I supposed to change my tune because they're calling it a 1650 Super and be impressed now? I look at it this way... we're being asked to pay almost 3070 prices for the performance equivalent of a freaking 1060, 5 years after that card launched. I guess I'm the only one that has a problem with the fact that what was considered third-tier performance almost 5 years ago is STILL the best you can get for under $500 unless you are very lucky. I don't want a card with only 6GB anyway, not if I'm actually going to upgrade. I admit that I didn't see the "Super" part earlier, so it's not AS bad a part as I was thinking, but it's still pretty bad that it's basically the same upgrade I rejected almost 5 years ago because I wanted at least 1070 performance. When I built a PC for a friend, I got him a 2060 SUPER with 8GB of RAM at a fairly good price, and I actually apologized that I couldn't fit a 2070 into his budget. That was basically the minimum I would have accepted for myself, too, and I probably should have picked one up for myself at the same time. But the honest truth is, I don't want a *50 or *60 series card at all. It feels like settling for something I know very well I'm not going to be happy with long-term because it's the best deal I can get right now. I've always regretted settling for a card like that whenever I got one and wound up getting something new within two years.


So again, you're still arguing that I should settle instead of get what I actually want. If that were my mentality, I would just get a pre-built system and have done with it, throwing in the towel and admitting I have basically no control over the quality of parts that go into it and that all the decisions are being made for me by market forces. I do understand what you mean, that I can get something that's an improvement over what I have in hand, but the problem is it's basically the same performance upgrade I could have gotten 4 years ago. It's already WAY obsolete, and I haven't gotten any kind of payoff for waiting. It's clear the kind of things that irritate me don't irritate you, and you consider them "whining." Fine, maybe it's my Asperger's talking and I'm not a "realist" that can "play the game," because I have a mind full of old shoulds and oughts relating to buying graphics cards that prevent me from being happy with a lower-tier part or a bad deal. Don't mind me, I'm just an old man that can't accept the "new normal" of graphics card pricing and availability without resentment.

I would have been MAYBE okay with a 1660 Super for under $500 if I weren't building a new PC, and were just upgrading this one. But those cards cost a pretty penny right now, and I really don't want to slap one into a brand-new system anyway. And the funny thing about waiting is, I have a lot of money saved up and want the best I can get after waiting all this time. I didn't wait to get a cheap part, I waited to save up as much as I could for a better part because of how high the prices are for a decent tier GPU that will actually last me a while.

I've decided now, talking to you has helped me clarify my own thinking. I'm buying a Lovelace/4080 card when those come out, whatever the pricing is. If I have to pay $2,000 to get one, so be it. I can live with the idea that I have to pay to get what I want, if it comes down to it. I probably won't buy another card for a long time after that anyway, and in fact it may well be the last GPU I ever buy. I'm not getting any younger.
You took your best guess on a better future card, with better perf/$, then what is currently available. It did not pan out. People are not very good at predicting the future in general because the number of factors involved can get hugely complexed. For example a major War with multiple nations -> our lives/buying decisions would probably be even way different then now in a couple of weeks. I say move on, do other stuff if the current pricing and what you get won't fit you. There are AMD cards going for MSRP on AMD site, Nvidia on BestBuy -> if you can get one or not, it also may not be easy or worth the time your willing to spend. Just throw-out most of your thoughts above is my suggestion, it is not doing you any good.
 
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