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Which phone to get for 2014 ? N5 or S5 GPE ?
Nexus 5 should really be compared to the upcoming Galaxy S5, those two will be the flagship phones of 2014 from each company most of this year.
- Google's Nexus 5 will be out for 10 months of 2014, not replaced until November with the Nexus 6. So the Nexus 5 is the top Google phone for majority of 2014.
- Samsung will have their flagship Galaxy S5 out in March / April, taking up 9 - 10 months of 2014. The S4 will only be the top Samsung phone for 3 months of 2014. So for 2014, the S5 will be main phone from Samsung.
So come March, the comparison should really be Nexus 5 @ $350 vs. Galaxy S5 @ $650.
Nexus 5 should really be compared to the upcoming Galaxy S5, those two will be the flagship phones of 2014 from each company most of this year.
- Google's Nexus 5 will be out for 10 months of 2014, not replaced until November with the Nexus 6. So the Nexus 5 is the top Google phone for majority of 2014.
- Samsung will have their flagship Galaxy S5 out in March / April, taking up 9 - 10 months of 2014. The S4 will only be the top Samsung phone for 3 months of 2014. So for 2014, the S5 will be main phone from Samsung.
So come March, the comparison should really be Nexus 5 @ $350 vs. Galaxy S5 @ $650.
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The Nexus 5 is rumored to be the last of the Nexus line of google phones. Also i dont think the S5 will be the top phone at all as they are slacking in design. LG/Motorola phones will be on top this year.
I'll be very surprised if the Nexus 5 is the last of its breed. Also, we know very little about what the GS5 will be other than a back to basics design. The only way I see LG or Motorola besting Samsung is if the GS5 is a genuine flop... and even then, the real beneficiary would more likely be Apple.
Apple is in the same boat as Samsung imo. They are becoming lazy and stagnant; neither company is taking risks anymore and actually designing something worth buying.
I'm not saying Apple doesn't need to shake things up. It's just that Apple is the second-largest phone manufacturer, and it's really the only other mobile brand that most people recognize and actively seek out. If Samsung really, truly messes up, Apple will be ready and waiting; LG and Moto don't really have the kind of distribution, marketing scale and reputation they'd need to seize the opportunity. Mind you, this is all theoretical... even if the GS5 is underwhelming, I'm not expecting a steep drop in sales. It'd just level off or decline slightly.
Market plays a huge role between both of them which really pisses me off. These phones are basically a popularity contest when so many others outshine them easily, but of course they go unnoticed. It reminds be of the iPod/Zune days, the Zune was so much better in everyway unless you were big on podcast.
Actually, I disagree to some extent. I've used much of the competition. The iPhone... well, it's a unique experience, for one. You won't get iOS anywhere else. And if you value high-quality photography, media playback and gaming, it's the go-to phone. The GS4? I can definitely point to Android phones that do some things better, but it's a good enough overall package that the others' advantages won't move the needle. As the saying goes: to disrupt the market, you have to be a lot better, not just a bit. Marketing does make it an unfair battle, just not as unfair as you'd think.
And not to sidetrack things too much, but the Zune was not "so much better" than the iPod (yes, I used both). The problem was that its advantages didn't really matter. The FM radio and Wi-Fi weren't exactly heavily used (remember, this was wireless sync at a time when pokey 802.11g still dominated). And Microsoft's software, sorry to say, was not all that and a bucket of chicken. iTunes regularly had a feature advantage, and it always had more content to buy -- more music, more movies, more podcasts. Apple had a two-year head start on touchscreen MP3 players, for that matter.
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I used the FM radio a ton at the time when I was at the gym. If you had an iphone you had to buy anotehr device. Sound quality was better on the zune for people who didn't downlaod @ 128 from iTunes...Most people with iphones would never have known that because they had to have apple branded earbuds too.
Looking foward to see what samsung does next. I have never really been a fan of their design but hte S4 is a good phone and had all the features removed by other companies such as a removable battery and SD card slot.
So, Samsung is holding an "Unpacked 5" event on February 24th, and it's pretty easy to surmise that the GS5 will be unveiled there.
In short, and to no one's surprise, the sketchy rumors (Murtazin, analysts and the like) were largely wrong.
In short, and to no one's surprise, the sketchy rumors (Murtazin, analysts and the like) were largely wrong.
Thank you! Its exactly why it was the better device at the time. It had a much better audio chip than Apple devices and youre correct that most only used 128bitrate so they wouldnt even notice. I try to only use 192/320
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More Galaxy S5 spec details leak, might feature 3,200mAh battery
http://www.sammobile.com/2014/02/04/more-galaxy-s5-spec-details-leak-might-feature-3200mah-battery/
The Galaxy S5 will feature a 5.25-inch QHD (2,560×1,440) Super AMOLED display, Exynos 6 / Snapdragon 805 processor, 3 GB of RAM, 32/64 GB storage, and a 16-megapixel rear camera and a 3.2-megapixel front-facing camera and a large 3,200 mAh battery. That 3,200 mAh battery will be welcomed with open arms by consumers. It will also be put to rather good use, as that QHD display will no doubt demand considerable battery power, and a battery smaller than 3,000 mAh might not have been enough.
3200mAh would normally make me have a nerdgasm, because that would be more than enough for most smartphones to make it last a solid day with extreme heavy nonstop use. But with the S5 having such a crazy high res screen, which is approx 75% larger resolution than a 1080p screen, I am very curious as to what kind of power drain this 1440p screen will take ?
I just don't see the need for a crazy high 2560 x 1440 resolution on a smartphone screen, what was the matter with 1920 x 1080 ? Especially if this new 1440p res is a major power hog.
http://www.sammobile.com/2014/02/04/more-galaxy-s5-spec-details-leak-might-feature-3200mah-battery/
The Galaxy S5 will feature a 5.25-inch QHD (2,560×1,440) Super AMOLED display, Exynos 6 / Snapdragon 805 processor, 3 GB of RAM, 32/64 GB storage, and a 16-megapixel rear camera and a 3.2-megapixel front-facing camera and a large 3,200 mAh battery. That 3,200 mAh battery will be welcomed with open arms by consumers. It will also be put to rather good use, as that QHD display will no doubt demand considerable battery power, and a battery smaller than 3,000 mAh might not have been enough.
3200mAh would normally make me have a nerdgasm, because that would be more than enough for most smartphones to make it last a solid day with extreme heavy nonstop use. But with the S5 having such a crazy high res screen, which is approx 75% larger resolution than a 1080p screen, I am very curious as to what kind of power drain this 1440p screen will take ?
I just don't see the need for a crazy high 2560 x 1440 resolution on a smartphone screen, what was the matter with 1920 x 1080 ? Especially if this new 1440p res is a major power hog.
I think we'd all like a 2560x1440 screen (assuming this rumor is true, which it might not be). Who wouldn't want it to look sharper? The problem is that Samsung may be doing what it does best: pursuing features solely to say it has them, regardless of the consequences. You should only go up in resolution if you can do it without compromising significantly on battery life or bulk.
Apple almost seems to have the opposite problem. It leaves opportunities on the table because it doesn't believe they'd work well enough. Take displays: from the way Tim Cook talks, it sounds like the company has wanted to do a bigger iPhone screen for a while, but has been waiting until the display tech is right. My guess is that we'll need displays using IGZO and other efficient tech to make greater-than-1080p work without gigantic batteries.
I wish phones had a HD radio or heck even cars so its a standard, its been out for over 5 years now but i feel that the adoption is still very low...
HD Radio as a standard has limited reach. It's very US-focused; if you go to the UK, for example, you'll listen to DAB instead. I'm guessing that Samsung isn't really eager to bend over backwards to support higher-quality radio when it would have to support multiple standards. And, for that matter, when Internet radio streaming is quickly taking over.
A 1440p screen probably doesn't require any more power from the perspective of the display itself (screen size would be more important there I'd think)... but obviously the SoC will have to do more work. But generally if you look at battery usage the stuff running on the SoC usually isn't at the top. The big items are usually the radios and display itself.
Finally, a more plausible leak: the NYT hears that the GS5 will be announced at the February 24th event, but it won't have a 2560x1440 display.
It's still unofficial, so take it with a grain of salt, but it also shows why you shouldn't trust analysts and historically unproven sources. At best, they have an incomplete picture of what's happening; at worst, they're making things up.
If this is true, I could see a few Samsung fans getting angry. They'd have been misled by a lot of rumor sites promising the moon and not delivering. The GS5 could still be a very good phone, but it may be even more of an evolutionary design than the GS4 was.
It's still unofficial, so take it with a grain of salt, but it also shows why you shouldn't trust analysts and historically unproven sources. At best, they have an incomplete picture of what's happening; at worst, they're making things up.
If this is true, I could see a few Samsung fans getting angry. They'd have been misled by a lot of rumor sites promising the moon and not delivering. The GS5 could still be a very good phone, but it may be even more of an evolutionary design than the GS4 was.
http://mobile.theverge.com/2014/2/5...s5-reportedly-announced-mobile-world-congress
Yup, more rumors of 1080p and no iris scanning. Quite frankly, I never believed in the iris scanning. I'd be shocked.
Now the question is would you like QHD and a bigger battery to have similar battery life to your old phone or regular FHD with a bigger battery to have superior battery life? I'd take the latter.
Yup, more rumors of 1080p and no iris scanning. Quite frankly, I never believed in the iris scanning. I'd be shocked.
Now the question is would you like QHD and a bigger battery to have similar battery life to your old phone or regular FHD with a bigger battery to have superior battery life? I'd take the latter.
problem is like countries like India and China where cellular speeds suck for the most part that Internet radio is unfeasible. (last I check China is the biggest smartphone market now with India coming up.) Not to mention, over the air radio is free... FREE!
P.S. I'm mostly talking about FM radio, which qualcomm built into their chips and disabled (by Samsung, Google, etc) for some strange reason. HD radio is a dream from the Zune HD days.
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I'm not bent out of shape about the GS5 not having more than 1080p.
I'd be more surprised if Samsung didn't build the GN4 with a higher than 1080p res...But then again, I really don't see the need and necessity of such massive resolutions on any near-future smart phones. Not like they are large and powerful enough to be a requirement. I just don't see average smartphone users pissing themselves with excitement because they can finally play Angry Birds at such a high resolution.
I'd be more surprised if Samsung didn't build the GN4 with a higher than 1080p res...But then again, I really don't see the need and necessity of such massive resolutions on any near-future smart phones. Not like they are large and powerful enough to be a requirement. I just don't see average smartphone users pissing themselves with excitement because they can finally play Angry Birds at such a high resolution.
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I am perfectly happy with 1080P and I think its fine to stop there for a while. Its a great standard resolution.
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Remember when 27" monitors first came out with 2560 x 1400 resolution ? Those were over $1,000 brand new, and they were jaw dropping beautiful. And super rare and high end, but made that 27" look so great and detailed.
Now a tiny 5" cellphone screen will have that same 1440p resolution ? Why ? What's the point on a small 5" handheld device ? 1080p was more than fine.
Now TV's, that's a whole other situation. A 65" HDTV @ 1080p looks way too pixlelated, such a large screen with 1920 x 1080p screen doesn't look as good, not as detailed as it should. And I do believe a 4K res is much needed on the large screen TV's in Home Theaters.
Now a tiny 5" cellphone screen will have that same 1440p resolution ? Why ? What's the point on a small 5" handheld device ? 1080p was more than fine.
Now TV's, that's a whole other situation. A 65" HDTV @ 1080p looks way too pixlelated, such a large screen with 1920 x 1080p screen doesn't look as good, not as detailed as it should. And I do believe a 4K res is much needed on the large screen TV's in Home Theaters.
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Getting warmer....case leaks today showing that the S5 will indeed be a "phone". Not much beyond that.
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Agreed. 1080p on a ~5" screen is already a really high pixel density. You're definitely going to get significantly diminished returns going higher than that. Plus, with the additional workload on the GPU to drive that resolution, it's just not worth it.
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Totally agree with you agreeing with me
But really, on a 5" tiny cellphone screen, a super high detailed resolution isn't nearly as important, as lets say on a large 65" TV. That's where 4K can really be noticeable, where 1080p on huge HDTV's does look pixeled and jaggy low res, those huge TV's need a super Ultra resolution.
I am worried about the battery drain 1440p will take on the S5. Sure on paper a 3,200mAh battery sounds like more than enough to power a smartphone all day and night. But we'll see how it fairs with 1440p pushing it ?
Higher res is always better except for the battery life. But if they can do it I will take it lol. I hope the do a very good S5 active. Because I wanted the Z1 for a long time now and still might buy it just because. But if the S5 is as premium as I hope it will be and with newer internals plus some waterproofing Ill bite.
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i don't get to play in the "new phone" game for another 1.5 months, contract with verizon is up at the end of march, and pretty much dead set on going with a Nexus 5 and Straight talk.
I'm tired of paying 100/month with Verizon when i could get the same damn thing for 45 with straight talk. While the nerd in me wants the latest and greatest 700 dollar phone, I can do just fine with a 350 dollar phone.
I'm tired of paying 100/month with Verizon when i could get the same damn thing for 45 with straight talk. While the nerd in me wants the latest and greatest 700 dollar phone, I can do just fine with a 350 dollar phone.
I consider myself lucky at the moment until Verizon goes super duper evil and strips away my grandfathered in unlimited data plan (which will happen). However right now I get 450 minutes, unlimited texts and data and with my 25% off employee discount I pay $64 a month for my retail bought Samsung Note 3 ($640). I tether (wifi hotspot) my phone with PDANet and I use it as my only internet connection. I blow through 50-100GB a month, every month. The most I've ever used in one month was 140GB. I'm sure Verizon hates people like me but really I don't give two shits either way. They've never complained and neither have I.
That said I'm looking to get an iphone 5s just to play with (while waiting for the iphone 6) and would probably buy retail and go with Straight talk as well. As soon as I lose unlimited data I'm leaving Verizon anyway.
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Was setting up my wifes new S4 this weekend and man, what a beautiful phone. Amazing, it is going to be hard to wait for the S5 but if it is as good as the S4 with a better CPU then that alone will be good enough.
So much faster than my crappy 4s with IOS 7 . Feels like I am carrying a 286 PC.
So much faster than my crappy 4s with IOS 7 . Feels like I am carrying a 286 PC.
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I want an s4 so bad... the cannot read SIM problem is horrid if it comes up. I may just pony up for a retail one. It SEEMS like just a little bigger s3 but no. It's much better, if it works.
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I hear ya.
The camera is SOOOOO much better than the iPhone I am blown away.
The good thing is if Samsung announces the S5 and I don't like what I hear I will just get an S4 and be done with it.
That and a 32GB sdcard and I will be in phoney heaven!
Versus the 4S, for sure... versus the 5 or 5s, not a chance! I've used all of the above devices... Samsung is pretty bad at coping with low-light scenes, and I think Apple has simpler, more efficient approaches to HDR, burst photography and slow motion.
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Wonder what the best android camera phone in low-light is?
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Galaxy S5 variants get benchmarked;
http://www.sammobile.com/2014/02/08...benchmarked-on-antutu-sm-g900h-and-sm-g900r4/
Some rumored leaked benchmarks released, show the S5 to be just on par or even less performing than the current Note 3. It is rumored to just use the old Snapdragon 800, that has been in Android phones since last year, not the new 805, which isn't ready for prime time until May or June.
The 1440p is said to be the deal breaker, it hurts performance and also reported to effect battery life.
So end of the day, the S5 might have the best looking screen ever, highest res, greatest detail, etc... But who cares, if it's going to be hog on the device, making performance no better than last years phones, and battery life that is average, not bad, but not great. This is all speculation of course, but maybe hardware isn't 1440p ready yet, without sacrifices ?
http://www.sammobile.com/2014/02/08...benchmarked-on-antutu-sm-g900h-and-sm-g900r4/
Some rumored leaked benchmarks released, show the S5 to be just on par or even less performing than the current Note 3. It is rumored to just use the old Snapdragon 800, that has been in Android phones since last year, not the new 805, which isn't ready for prime time until May or June.
The 1440p is said to be the deal breaker, it hurts performance and also reported to effect battery life.
So end of the day, the S5 might have the best looking screen ever, highest res, greatest detail, etc... But who cares, if it's going to be hog on the device, making performance no better than last years phones, and battery life that is average, not bad, but not great. This is all speculation of course, but maybe hardware isn't 1440p ready yet, without sacrifices ?
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^ I think I'd rather have the G900H with the octa-core in it if I had to have a GS5 and choose one or the other.
But all in all, I'm still going to wait for the GN4 then see what GPE phones are available after this May when I can upgrade my GS3.
But all in all, I'm still going to wait for the GN4 then see what GPE phones are available after this May when I can upgrade my GS3.
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An S5 GPE would be cool. But will Samsung and Google release one this year ? And if so, when ? I'd bet on it not coming out, until after Google I/O 2014 in June, and ship with Android 4.5
But at that point, I'd just wait a couple months more for the Note 4.