Zarathustra[H]
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You should take that to the extreme. If you add enough radiators you can get rid of the fans altogether
I have toyed with the idea, but then it becomes a real estate problem
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You should take that to the extreme. If you add enough radiators you can get rid of the fans altogether
At 30mm and an expensive tr3 mobo a slimline passive cooler wouldn't be too much to ask...It moves enough that your chipset would cook without it. Dont knock the 30mm. Just because your skin cant register the air flow doesnt mean the chipset derives no benefit.
I'm just not sure who builds a 16 to 32 core monster rig and expects it to be absolutely silent.
It's like expecting your Prius to pull a 35 foot 5th wheel camper.
Selling computer parts can appear improper?
In that case, man am I in trouble.
Selling computer parts for which you have already received a refund and an RMA Return Label...yeah that can appear to be credit card/mail fraud. Even if you planned to write a check to BestBuy for the original cost (So I have to return it.)
This entire debacle will already be discussed ad nauseam in my quarterly interview...I don't want to make it more complicated than it has to be, lol
On a tangientally-related subject...I wonder how many 480mm and 360mm radiators will fit in a TT Core WP200...
And how many pumps one would need to ensure adequate coolant flow
And how many gallons of DI Water I'd need...
See where I may be headed?
I have too much time to think. This is HALF of the Core Case with an Asus Hero VI mobo installed... Imagine if there were only Radiators and pumps
That case is massive. So the question is two 320mm radiators and a distro g plate, or three 320mm radiators and a separate dedicated pump in the 011 dynamic xl for a 3970x and eventually two video cards.
I'd always go single loop. Multiple pumps if necessary to get the flow where it needs to be, but always single loop.
Speaking of flow.
This Heatkiller VI block must be much less restrictive than the EK Supremacy EVO it replaced.
Ever since this upgrade my flow rates have gone way up at the same pump settings.
got my 3960x setup going today with the asrock creator board
cd linux-stable; make mrproper defconfig; time make -j48
takes ~30 seconds.
really blows my mind
I haven't manually compiled a kernel since the 90's, so I have absolutely no frame of reference on that one.
How well does GCC take advantage of multiple cores?
Gentoo...I have PTSD from Gentoo
I don't bother with custom kernels anymore, Modules work great.
Yeah, I haven't compiled a custom kernel in ages. Sometimes there aren't standalone modules for the hardware you need though, and the only way is to grab a bleeding edge upstream kernel. Ubuntu's mainline kernel archive has everything already compiled and neatly packaged in .deb files that will work for anything that uses the apt package manager.
MCE hang fix in 5.5
"The AMD machine check exception (MCE) code fix for Linux has landed ahead of this weekend's anticipated 5.5-rc3 release. This AMD MCE fix allows for the AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3900 series processors introduced last month to boot the Linux kernel without hangs or other workarounds."
I'd like to believe you would have done the same even if you were not in such a position. Honesty is more and more fleeting these days.My friends at work and I were talking about the CPU and why I decided to return it instead of just keeping it or selling it to one of them. I reminded them I work in a high confidence position. I cannot afford even the appearance of impropriety or I lose my job. (I'm not referring to a security clearance...this goes way beyond that...)
I'm guessing it won't be long until this gets backported into all of the current 4.15, 5.0 and 5.3 kernels Debian-based distributions are using.
That's one of the benefits of having annoying uncle Ubuntu around. They do a fair bit of "making it work" work.
I wonder what I am losing by having "mce=off" as a kernel flag. I'm not quite sure what that option actually does. I know it has somethig to do with machine check exceptions, but other than that...
At some point in the future I guess I'll have to disable it (probably by pressing E in grub) and seeing if it still boots.
Machine check exception - your basically missing out on hardware checks on the cpu, ram, ect. that prevents data corruption.
I used to have ek for threadripper 1 and 2 and Xspc doubled or more my flow rate. The ek TR block was truly refined from a hunk of horseshit ore.
I'd like to believe you would have done the same even if you were not in such a position. Honesty is more and more fleeting these days.
Did you have the initial release of the EK TR block that Kyle deservedly ripped a new one, or did you hvae the second release that was improved?
I'm not going to take restrictiveness in isolation as a negative. Sometimes you can get better cooling by forcing waters through microfins, and that inherently will make a block more restrictive.
Assuming both are competent designs, and that th eEK block isn't more restrictive for stupid design reasons, but rather due to more fin surface area, comparing the two becomes a difficult differential equation:
On the one hand you have a more restrictive block which probably has tighter fins and thus more surface area contact resulting in more effective heat transfer, but on the flip side this results in lower flow, so the same water sits in the block longer and heats up more resulting in less effective cooling.
On the flip side you have a less restrictive block, with less surface area contact, being less effective at transferring heat to the water, but due to its lower restrictiveness it gets fresh, relatively cool water more quickly.
It is clear there is some balance to be found in the middle somewhere where you wind up with max heat transfer, but I haven't studied this enough to know where it is.
Yeah, that sounds pretty important
Did you have the initial release of the EK TR block that Kyle deservedly ripped a new one, or did you hvae the second release that was improved?
I'm not going to take restrictiveness in isolation as a negative. Sometimes you can get better cooling by forcing waters through microfins, and that inherently will make a block more restrictive.
Assuming both are competent designs, and that th eEK block isn't more restrictive for stupid design reasons, but rather due to more fin surface area, comparing the two becomes a difficult differential equation:
On the one hand you have a more restrictive block which probably has tighter fins and thus more surface area contact resulting in more effective heat transfer, but on the flip side this results in lower flow, so the same water sits in the block longer and heats up more resulting in less effective cooling.
On the flip side you have a less restrictive block, with less surface area contact, being less effective at transferring heat to the water, but due to its lower restrictiveness it gets fresh, relatively cool water more quickly.
It is clear there is some balance to be found in the middle somewhere where you wind up with max heat transfer, but I haven't studied this enough to know where it is.
High flow isn't necessarily good either, you can get a boundary layer formation which results in stagnant coolant staying at the heat exchange surface and getting super heated or cooled and not moving so not exchanging heat properly. This can occur both in the block (hot) and in the radiator (cool).
You mean like kids putting high flow high speed drag race only cooling systems in their cars that overheat at stoplights?
I'd always go single loop. Multiple pumps if necessary to get the flow where it needs to be, but always single loop.
Speaking of flow.
This Heatkiller VI block must be much less restrictive than the EK Supremacy EVO it replaced.
Ever since this upgrade my flow rates have gone way up at the same pump settings.
I spent the last three days working on mine. Everything took longer than I expected...
Wow. Two loops? What is the usage scenario for that?
You are almost guaranteed to get better temps if you put all of your blocks and radiators in the same loop.
Unless this is a show build, because multiple loops with different colors DO look pretty cool.
I've never leak tested that long. I usually just do it overnight.
In my car it's a matter of cooling that sucker at 9200 rpm without going the electric water pump and fan route. If theres stand still traffic on a hot day I'll just have to stop the engine.. No big deal. Not a daily driver.
4 banger eh
I'LL NEVER buy or build a 4 banger again. Had an sti over 640whp.
Next performance car is gonna be a mid engine vette.
I'll never mod any car again.
I do like something that from the factory has enough get up and go to safely merge on to the highway and pass, but my boyracer days are long gone.
From here on out its all stock all the time
I don't care if its flowmasters on a V8 or a fartcan on a four banger, it's all equally dumb to me these days
Cars are grocery getters and commuter vehicles, nothing else.
I absolutely agree. That is why I would get a nice fast car and leave it as is.
Lately I have been toying with the idea of a tesla model 3 performance awd. But I dont want to spend 70k after taxes right now on a car. Everything I own is paid for.
Totally with you, but I was looking at the Model S. I wanted something a little bigger, and I hate the minimalist interior of the Model 3 with no instrument cluster.
In the end, it was just too much money to justify though.
Yeah and you can get a much nicer gas or diesel vehicle with more features that have the same or less cost of ownership.
You mean like kids putting high flow high speed drag race only cooling systems in their cars that overheat at stoplights?