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Rule the Seas

I know that I can mass mail the gang, you just click on the link next to manage gang crime. Oh, and IM down for the mass mug just let me know when and where. we could find a chatroom somewhere besides the tavern
 
I'm here and ready, just name the place

Edit, are we sending the money back to the gang vault?
 
This isn't going to work out like you hope. Lets say that you buy 10 $1M points, and that 5 people mug them to get back the money...So, each person donates $2M per and starts mugging the guy that someone else purchased from. So, you now have 10 points, 5 people using nerve to mug $10M back from. You're going to end up EACH spending almost 10 points to get almost $2M back, and you'll probably even get LESS than that because everyone else will start mugging too.

It's not an economically sound idea.
 
Yeah but we need to keep it within the gang. We need to find a private forum to discuss this. Does anyone go into the Genmay part of the forums? We can discuss our plans and be safe that no one is lurking around.

I think we should know the target and time 1min or 2 before the mugging. Like butt pirate suggested we should fine someone who has not logged in a while.
 
How? I mean, let's say that you DO use 10 points to refill your energy, at $250k PER point, you are spending MORE than $2M to get $2M back. How does that make sense?
 
LaTech said:
This isn't going to work out like you hope. Lets say that you buy 10 $1M points, and that 5 people mug them to get back the money...So, each person donates $2M per and starts mugging the guy that someone else purchased from. So, you now have 10 points, 5 people using nerve to mug $10M back from. You're going to end up EACH spending almost 10 points to get almost $2M back, and you'll probably even get LESS than that because everyone else will start mugging too.

It's not an economically sound idea.
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I think it might. We should just let our nerve refill on its own. This basically means that we do one hit.
 
Sounds like we rolling the dice on this. What are we supposed to do if this target gets IW'd in the middle of the mugging? We going to be out a lot of money. It doesn't make sense to me, we would just be mugging our own money... actually putting it out there so other people can mug it too... for what, 10 points?. A lot of these guys are very quick when it comes to mugging.
 
What he wants I think is a bunch of us to participate.

How much nerve does each one of us have?

I only have 40, so I could only hit a guy 4 times.
Someone with 100 could hit him 10 times before refilling.
How does teh mugging work?

Do you get a % or is it based on your attributes?
I say buy 1 point off of one of the 1,000,000,000 guys who have been gone for a long time. That way we can hit him 100 times before anyone is the wiser.
 
We will know who and when ahead of anyone else. We could try a smaller amount first for sure to test it out. Lets say a 1 mil point guy.
 
Well the reason I’m saying it might work is because this is what happened to me. When I first was released into the docks I wanted to make a quick buck. I posted 5 of my points at 1mill and completely forgot to remove them from the market. The next morning I woke up and all I had was 100k.

It is a big gamble thou.
 
I think you get about 13% of cash on hand per mug, for some of us, we can do a few mugs before running out of nerve. If you have 3 people doing that over level 100, you have 30 mugs on the person (should you get manse, mello or I in on it, you have a lot more mugs available). You might have to wait for a juicy target that leaves out 50+ points, but its feasible. Since you're not spending points mugging, it's free. I believe the points received from the muggings will be donated to the gang for use towards a caribbean chain.
 
Now that I think about it. We also have to worry that we don't get mugged. :eek:
 
It is not worth mugging a guy (to get your cash back) if you paid more than around $500k per point. I was working through this last night. If you can purchase a reasonable number of points (e.g. 100+) off a single guy that has been offline for a while for between $300-400k per point, it works.

For example, buy 100 points @ $350k per point = $35m invested

You gain:
1) You get 100 points that you will be able to sell for around $250k each = $25m
2) You can mug the guy for, if there are 5 of you at the same time, around $25-30m. This assumes that you can mug around 10 times each (I can mug around 12 times and got back about $9-10m from a guy with $35m before I was out of nerve)

You lose:
1) Assuming you don't use points to refill your nerve, you lose xx nerve points

Therefore, if people are happy to use their available nerve, we can make some $$. It does depend on how cheap you can get the points initially (over $500k is crazy), whether the target logs back in mid mug and whether any other pirates hit him at the same time.
 
just spam F5 as many times as your nerve allows you and then immediately go to the bank. just write down what money you have in there then after subtract from the total and donate it to the bank. i say we try it on a smaller amount of money as a test run. just dont use points and we'll go straight of refill. it only makes sense if we buy like 100+ points for around 500k, 1mill that way we get the points and our money back. if you buy 1 point at 1 billion you are most likely missing out on a lot
 
well i have to go take a test for bio =/ ill be back around 7 so count me in if we still plan on doing this
 
It would have to be a lot of points to be worth it. I have to agree with Latech that if were paying refill points to do this it isn't worth it. I wanted to do this as a trial run to see if it comes close.

Lets look at an example:
http://www.ruletheseas.com/index.php?on=profile&user=26745

Points [x22] $10,000,000

Thats 220,000,000

Subtract 250,000 X 22
220,000,000
-5,500,000
214,500,000 is what we would have to mug to make the points a fair value.

Mugging takes 6% of total
Someone who's good at math help me figure out how many muggings it would take to get 214,500,000 back. Also don't forget the 159,131 they already have.

ALso, I'm going to try and verify that 6% on muggings.
 
That would not be a good target as you potential upside (profit) is only the cost of the points i.e. $5.5m. But you have put at risk $220m. That is a 3% return on investment...if everything goes to plan and you mug back 100%. 3% = $5.5m / $220m.

The money making is where the value of the points makes up a larger portion of the amount that has to be invested. In those cases, your potential upside, as a % of the total amount invested is far greater. For example, buy 100 points @ $350k for $35m and then mug it back. There you have invested $35m, you stand to gain 100 points * $250k = $25m and you can mug back the investment. In that case, there is a 72% return on investment if you mug back 100%. 72% = $25m / $35m.

This theory scales upwards as long as the value of the points purchased makes up a large % of the investment.
 
kennard said:
That would not be a good target as you potential upside (profit) is only the cost of the points i.e. $5.5m. But you have put at risk $220m. That is a 3% return on investment...if everything goes to plan and you mug back 100%. 3% = $5.5m / $220m.

The money making is where the value of the points makes up a larger portion of the amount that has to be invested. In those cases, your potential upside, as a % of the total amount invested is far greater. For example, buy 100 points @ $350k for $35m and then mug it back. There you have invested $35m, you stand to gain 100 points * $250k = $25m and you can mug back the investment. In that case, there is a 72% return on investment if you mug back 100%. 72% = $25m / $35m
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Thats what I'm seeing too. The high dollar points are a bad investment.
 
Yes the high ones are bad bad bad. Large number of points for less than 500k each would be best.

a 500k point is a 50% return by point market alone. Anything less than that is suicide.
 
Well i'm in. I can mug the shit out of people and I don't mind using my nerve as that's what I would be doing anyways for the xp.

Just let me know what will be using to communicate weather it be IM the forums or whatever. We need to set up a time that we can all be online on the forum say 8:00 tonight?

I also agree that we should start small to see how it goes so we don't loose to much money if we fuck up. And remember we have to pick someone in a port we can get to.
 
ive been testing out muggings and it seems to be like a 5.999 % of money taken. Also there doesnt seem to be any mid range prices with people that have not been on in a few days. the only one i see might work is 10 points at 1mill if someone wants to calculate how many times it would take for us to get our money back or even make a profit go ahead and do it, i suck at math. but assume that 10 points X 250000 each would be subtracted from 10mill
 
I've been running numbers.

It takes 11 (successful) mugs to get over 50% of someone's cash. That makes it fairly unfeasable for anything over 500k/point.
 
The plan is a sound one. But there are some issues. Some were already addressed previously.


First of all the BIG thing is that I am convinced that there is NO way possible to pull off these mass muggings without becoming instant victims ourselves.

Second of all, it seems that the less money the target has, the less we mug from them percentage wise and we would quickly get up to a point of diminishing returns. This of course is magnified by the first point.

Folks, there are people out there who spend hours and hours doing nothing but refreshing their search query stopping only to initiate positive results. (Hell, its what I'm trying to do from time to time.) Only a handful of these dedicated poor bastards would totally ruin it for us. Our mark would be mugged by outsiders, and the muggers would be too....almost instantaneously.
 
we would know who we are hitting though, we can go to the city that they are in which gives us a 1up also just open up a bank on a separate tab and when you get a high amount of money switch over to it, refresh and deposit then continue mugging, if we have 5 people mugging someone atleast 5 times each it spreads out the money and its quite a bit of mugs
 
i hit people when they arent in the IW and selling points at a reasonable price but I would never knock off a person selling them for over 350k each (unless it was an insane amount)

doing this with the higher numbers is pointless and will probably end up losing money
 
fyi...

dont mug people selling points, it takes a lot of semi-precise timing..

in my experience, buy an item off the market, from an individual thats selling it (not a gang) then mug the shit out of them...

i bought 2 war paints before from someone who had them forsale and was offline for a couple hours..

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***(in firefox, using 50 points)***

tab 1 - bank vault.. have the money you wish to withdraw in the box but do not

tab 2 - the page after you select buy, (the one that asks what quantity you wish to buy) have the ammount and quantity pre-typed in the box

tab 3 - their profile page, go to the link that says mug, then copy that link (dont click) and enter that into the web address bar, dont click enter yet...

tab 4 - point shop (not market).. where you refill the energy/nerve for 10 points..

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steps are as follows...

in tab 1 withdraw amount needed from your vault
quickly go to tab 2 click buy what you entered
then go to tab 3 click enter then hit f5 a bunch of times (more than the max mugs you can do, just to make sure, should take no longer than 2 seconds) you dont need to wait for it to load, everytime you hit f5, even with a white screen, it will mug.. dont leave that mug screen (keep it open)..

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next steps are based on how you wanna go about doing it..

option1 (much quicker):
go to tab 4 and refill your nerve for 10 points
then go back to tab 3 and hit f5 more
then after that go back to tab 4 and refill again
then go to tab 1 press f5 and bank it all
(repeat as necessary)

option2 (slower):
go back to tab 1, refresh, then deposit what you have so far
go to tab 4 and refill
go to tab 1 and bank..
(repeat as necessary)

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with the 1st option i managed to buy 2 war paints for 1bil... then mug the money back until they were to under 20mil, then other people got to them..

resold the warpaints for 450mil which puts about out 880mil in free money in the long run

also note that it takes a lot more mugs to get more money when person being mugged only has 20mil out compared to 1bil.. therefore they will just see a ton of mug logs from people other than you and they will mostlikely be overwhelmed and "delete all events" and not even know that i bought the warpaints and that i was the one that mugged a total of 980mil off them as well..

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Hope this helps :)
 
Who is first on the list?

How about Mello Newf. It is time I think he moves. Waht joo all think?:):cool::eek::p:D;)
 
Reaper will be gone this weekend. If he's still around this evening, we'll discuss it some, but we probably won't conclude until Monday.
 
Also towards the mass Mugging thing.

Lets us say we spend 60,000,000 mill to buy some points.
60,000,000/400,000=150 pts.
60,000,000/500,000=120 pts.
60,000,000/750,000=80 pts.

We need to mug the guy 18 times to get approx. 2/3 of the money back or 40,000,000.

We would then need to recoup the rest by selling the points.

20,000,000/240,000=84 pts would be need to have been bought to break even.
 
Frankly I don't think the mass mugging is worth the hassle. Fairly soon we should have several bank accounts accruing interest on gang money. Let's say we have five people at the interest cap. With about $67m per person daily, five people doing it puts $335 million into the gang vault per day.

And that's after doing absolutely nothing.
 
I want to grow up to be big and strong like you guys. What's the secret to success?

What's a good number to have stats at for a given level? I am current lvl 14 with:

Str 17,210
Def 18,045
Speed 62,734
Sea 2,116

Should I just work on leveling up a bit and train later? (I have a Chain to help in training)

What's the most effective way to get exp, prison breaks?
 
Just signed up and applied for the gang with my character "Rockston". Still getting my "sea legs" so to speak, but the game looks like a lot of fun.
 
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