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My bet: he thinks he knows what's wrong. Needs to be able to repeat the cure.
First of all, what's up with the anti nVidia and Intel vibe here on HardOCP? ... I wonder if people have forgotten that nVidia and Intel have the highest performing PC parts on the market? Between both of my accounts, going on 18+ years, I've never seen this before.
First of all, what's up with the anti nVidia and Intel vibe here on HardOCP?
Kyle, have you seen this video from Tech YES City?
It's not quite a deep analysis of the problem, but it implicates Micron GDDR6 as a major source of failed RTXs
He got his full purchase price and shipping paid directly without fees the moment he gave me a tracking number. Actually I think I gave him more than his cost IIRC. $1200.00I understand people don't "know" you. However if my Gigabyte 2080ti experiences an issue I won't hesitate to give you first dibs on it.
That looks like a lot of guessing and not a lot of validation. He spent most of the video talking about how he was going to take the card apart so he could blame the RAM, with no evidence the RAM failed...
First of all, what's up with the anti nVidia and Intel vibe here on HardOCP? ...
Good to know someone else happy their purchase. Lucky you...First of all, what's up with the anti nVidia and Intel vibe here on HardOCP? ... I wonder if people have forgotten that nVidia and Intel have the highest performing PC parts on the market? Between both of my accounts, going on 18+ years, I've never seen this before.
With that said, my MSI Gaming X Trio 2080 Ti is kicking ass and taking names.
I don't see space invaders, but I do see insane benchmarks. Hahaha. I mean, there might be space invaders or something on the screen but at 200fps @ 1440p ... shit is just moving too buttery smooth and fast for me to really notice. In fact, my FPS is so great that I fear I might go into a photosensitive epilepsy seizure anytime I load a game up. Hahah. If any of you out there share the same concern, get an AMD video card, you will never ever face that risk with one of those jobbies.
On a side note, for those of you wanting an nVidia BFGD, Samsung already has several models already on the market starting with a 55". They do 120hz native at 1440p and support Freesync and Freesync Ultimate. Another cool thing is, the only video card in the world that can handle this, the nVidia RTX 2080 Ti can very easily push High and Ultra settings at 120+ FPS @ 1440p.
Really hoping AMD can get it's act together in the high-end video card dept tho, for realz. I would love to have awesome performance that truly matches or rivals nVidia's best efforts. I hope that happens but I'm not counting on it.
BTW, as a responsible person who is passionate about my hobby, I've already started to save money for the $1200+ I will need to buy the next nVidia "Worlds Most Powerful Video Card" in 2020, whatever that model number will be called. And it's easy, $50 dollars a month off to the side. I do this by not swelling bawls energy drinks and stuffing my mouth full of Cool Ranch Doritos or buying anime action figures or a lot of other bs nonsense. I tell myself, I don't want to be that kid who is crying at how expensive these video cards are and being too broke to afford one when the time comes.
Yes, yes it's true ... Ferrai's and Lambo's do cost a pretty penny. But, you get what you pay for. Vroom! Vroom!
What do you mean exactly?What is Kyle up to by the way, I'm curious?
He did test the RAM at a slower clock speed and it was fine, but at stock it failed. So in that sense, it did seem related to RAM. Taking it apart seemed pointless other than to confirm that it was Micron RAM, as he suspected.
Bingo! Just because you can downclock the VRAM and "fix it" hardly means that the actual VRAM is the issue. Hopefully we can find something out with PROOF.Sure, something RAM related failed. That could be a memory controller in the GPU die, power circuitry to the RAM, or the RAM itself... Heck it could even be a trace issue on the PCB wafer. And he could have looked up the RAM type in GPUZ and not taken the card apart like a noob to stretch out his video.
Actually no I do not. I actually did not even take the card out of the box. Shipped it right out to the engineers.Kyle, do you currently know which memory vendor is on the card under test? Not asking you to disclose, just curious
I think it's TSMC chemical related at this point given recent events. Sure it's probably in part memory related as well. More specifically Micron's rather than Samsung's because the IC's are probably more closely boarder line in terms of headroom and safeguarding from stuff like a power surge/spike for example wrecking these poor RTX GPU's. In this case teh chemicals causing premature unforeseeable degradation is likely what is going on. Perhaps though it's not exactly the memory IC's though, but rather the PCIe bus interconnects or memory controller degrading which would likely cause similarly quirky results being intertwined. In the end I think it's degradation probably from heat due to bad quality control by Nvidia and/or it's memory supplier or fabrication partner.
He did test the RAM at a slower clock speed and it was fine, but at stock it failed. So in that sense, it did seem related to RAM. Taking it apart seemed pointless other than to confirm that it was Micron RAM, as he suspected.
You can't draw a conclusion by downclocking VRAM. His "testing" means nothing without more information and context from a qualified hardware engineer. Kyle did the 100% right thing by having such people examine a failed card. That Brian nitwit from the "Tech Yes City" YouTube channel just spoke out of his ass because he likes the sound of his voice. Read between the lines of what he said around the 8:15 mark. I am paraphrasing his whole diatribe about free/review samples, but he essentially said that he is not going to pursue the issue with fixing his card with Gigabyte because he likes getting free stuff.
He also said it is not their (Gigabyte's) fault. I laughed out loud when he said that. If the product is faulty and it does turn out to be RAM, Gigabyte is responsible and they have to fix their product. Saying it isn't their fault is like me saying it isn't Chrysler's fault that they put crappy Takata airbags in my Dodge Charger Rallye. They could have used Autoliv, Delphi or TRW for airbags, but they elected to use cheap asian crap and now my car is unsafe if I get in a wreck and I have to wait 9-12 weeks for the parts to arrive for the recall.
It's not Gigabyte's fault. Translation: Gigabyte, don't be mad at me and keep sending me free stuff. What a hack fraud.
While the guy in the video may be taking the wrong approach to his verdict, he isn't wrong. It ISN'T Gigabyte's fault the cards failed, because they only sourced the components from one of two manufacturers --again that's assuming RAM is the issue-- so it's odd that he wouldn't want to pursue an RMA... because it IS Gigabyte's responsibility to RMA products with their name on them. It'd be better publicity to have him show off the card failed, and Gigabyte RMAed it quickly and painlessly.You can't draw a conclusion by downclocking VRAM. His "testing" means nothing without more information and context from a qualified hardware engineer. Kyle did the 100% right thing by having such people examine a failed card. That Brian nitwit from the "Tech Yes City" YouTube channel just spoke out of his ass because he likes the sound of his voice. Read between the lines of what he said around the 8:15 mark. I am paraphrasing his whole diatribe about free/review samples, but he essentially said that he is not going to pursue the issue with fixing his card with Gigabyte because he likes getting free stuff.
He also said it is not their (Gigabyte's) fault. I laughed out loud when he said that. If the product is faulty and it does turn out to be RAM, Gigabyte is responsible and they have to fix their product. Saying it isn't their fault is like me saying it isn't Chrysler's fault that they put crappy Takata airbags in my Dodge Charger Rallye. They could have used Autoliv, Delphi or TRW for airbags, but they elected to use cheap asian crap and now my car is unsafe if I get in a wreck and I have to wait 9-12 weeks for the parts to arrive for the recall.
It's not Gigabyte's fault. Translation: Gigabyte, don't be mad at me and keep sending me free stuff. What a hack fraud.
The real kicker is that the last few generations of Nvidia cards, from the 970/ 980's onward, have been at least somewhat memory bandwidth limited. Or least more obviously limited when overclocking.
Well it does give credence towards the test escapes claims by Nvidia. It could be related to the memory IC's and bad judgement by Nvidia or it's memory supply, but the TSMC bio chemical wafer attack seems most probable culprit to me. I would certainly hope Nvidia's quality control testing would pick up on more common voltage/temperature/frequency related problems myself than unforeseeable degradation due to impurities, corrosion, or acidity or who the F knows as a result of a chemical used and whatever dodgy dark alley way supply source they bought them from to save a nickel.If this is the case and who knows, that is very interesting. Hopefully the engineers that Kyle is using are able to pick that up. I have no idea if that would even be possible.
No they haven’t memory OC’s have made barely any difference to gaming which also increases bandwidth as a side effect.
Well in the case of TSMC chemical wafer issue it's easier to understand how it kind of went a bit more unnoticed. The degradation might not be immediately noticed, but over time over a period of heating and cooling cycles. Outside of that without knowing their quality control standards it's sort of anyone's guess. They may have tested a initial batch of wafers that checked out fine and a later batch was effected. Both batches though may be part of the initial stock pile of GPU's they shipped since otherwise they get complaints about "paper" launches.I still don't understand how something like this makes it passed all the checks. Unless its cheaper just to not test that much and roll the dice?
First of all, what's up with the anti nVidia and Intel vibe here on HardOCP? ... I wonder if people have forgotten that nVidia and Intel have the highest performing PC parts on the market? Between both of my accounts, going on 18+ years, I've never seen this before.