Robots are Coming for Our Jobs

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According to a report by McKinsey & Company, robots (WARNING auto play video) may take upwards of 800 million jobs from human workers by 2030. Some of the jobs hardest hit are going to be machine operators, fast-food workers, and back-office employees. However, all is not lost because there are other fields that will need a large influx of new employees over that same time period.

The good news for those displaced is that there will be jobs for them to transition into, although in many cases they’re going to have to learn new skills to do the work. Those jobs will include health-care providers for aging populations, technology specialists and even gardeners, according to the report.
 

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Same thing happened to blacksmiths and wooden wheel makers. Help your kids get interested in robotics, electronics and other future related fields.
 

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Part of the reason I like being a researcher (biochemistry). As much as automation and computer learning has become integrated and continues to be utilized, there's still a good amount if interpretation that requires a human presence.
 

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As it stands since companies are legally obligated to do whats best for share holders the sooner they think they have the perfect slaves that can run 24/7 w/o pay the have a duty to cut operational cost even up to ceo's and members of the board. While there is no love loss there the problem is much bigger than that and no universal basic income is not a solution.

Knowledge, wisdom, experiences can be shared but labor can not and believe it or not you need to use your body and mind or you loose it so having things done for you only makes you weaker. Autonomic machines, robots and AI are not the ways forward tbh these are dark times.

This is bad enough


But this https://i.imgur.com/mMta0jA.png is also a problem.
 

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Same thing happened to blacksmiths and wooden wheel makers. Help your kids get interested in robotics, electronics and other future related fields.
And yet skilled craftsmen (specifically welders and machinists) are still in high, high, demand, and very few people are learning this skills.
 
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If we stopped paying workers we could compete with the robots, it's only because humans are so over paid and spoiled that this is happening. I blame the unions.

See? I found a problem and I capitalismed the fuck out of it.
 

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once autonomous vehicles really start making inroads and being trusted i can see them taking over trash collecting. I mean now its a sole dude in a truck that drives around and uses a mechanical arm to do all the work.
 

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If taxes start falling due to robot labor, governments will likely assign robots an hourly wage equivalent (based on type of job being replaced) and tax the companies accordingly. If a robot replaces 3 jobs, then that robot will have a really high wage scale attached. I also suspect most 1st world governments will implement import tariffs on goods produced mostly by robots. Governments never put themselves on a diet... so new revenue sources will have to be found.
 

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As it stands since companies are legally obligated to do whats best for share holders the sooner they think they have the perfect slaves that can run 24/7 w/o pay the have a duty to cut operational cost even up to ceo's and members of the board. While there is no love loss there the problem is much bigger than that and no universal basic income is not a solution.

Knowledge, wisdom, experiences can be shared but labor can not and believe it or not you need to use your body and mind or you loose it so having things done for you only makes you weaker. Autonomic machines, robots and AI are not the ways forward tbh these are dark times.

This is bad enough


But this https://i.imgur.com/mMta0jA.png is also a problem.


I massively disagree with the video. The slowing in hours worked was a direct result of the economic situation, with a lack of investment into new job and new industries. That lack of investment was NOT due to automation. From 1994 to 2008, we did have growth in hours worked and jobs, and a sudden downturn in 2008 brought us back down to 1994 levels. From 2008 to 2012, we had a lack of investment in new jobs specifically because the environment was hostile to business growth. So, no new jobs, and no more work hours.

In the last year, investment in new businesses has increased substantially, with the Dow Jones index hitting 61 record highs as of yesterday. The environment is no longer as hostile to business growth, so investment happens, and more jobs are created. I've already seen an increase in the number of jobs available to me out there. I expect my income to go up between 25 and 30% with a new job, or possibly with the new owners of my company realizing that they're going to lose good people if they don't increase the pay substantially.

The next year is going to be a great time for increases in higher level jobs. The only ones that will be hurt by automation are the ones who think their jobs deserve more pay than the work is worth. People don't "deserve" a living wage just because they're working. The work needs to be worth that pay. If automation is cheaper than the rates being demanded, then the jobs will be taken over by automation. If not, then automation won't take over the job. It's all a matter of cost.
 

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Robot threads just aren't the same without Steve telling us we're all going to die. :(
 

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I massively disagree with the video. The slowing in hours worked was a direct result of the economic situation, with a lack of investment into new job and new industries. That lack of investment was NOT due to automation. From 1994 to 2008, we did have growth in hours worked and jobs, and a sudden downturn in 2008 brought us back down to 1994 levels. From 2008 to 2012, we had a lack of investment in new jobs specifically because the environment was hostile to business growth. So, no new jobs, and no more work hours.

In the last year, investment in new businesses has increased substantially, with the Dow Jones index hitting 61 record highs as of yesterday. The environment is no longer as hostile to business growth, so investment happens, and more jobs are created. I've already seen an increase in the number of jobs available to me out there. I expect my income to go up between 25 and 30% with a new job, or possibly with the new owners of my company realizing that they're going to lose good people if they don't increase the pay substantially.

The next year is going to be a great time for increases in higher level jobs. The only ones that will be hurt by automation are the ones who think their jobs deserve more pay than the work is worth. People don't "deserve" a living wage just because they're working. The work needs to be worth that pay. If automation is cheaper than the rates being demanded, then the jobs will be taken over by automation. If not, then automation won't take over the job. It's all a matter of cost.

How dare you interject truth into this discussion. :eek:
 

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If we stopped paying workers we could compete with the robots, it's only because humans are so over paid and spoiled that this is happening. I blame the unions.

See? I found a problem and I capitalismed the fuck out of it.
Let's get rid of cars, trains, planes, computers, cell phones, smart phones, city water and sewage because they all cost someone jobs.
 

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And yet skilled craftsmen (specifically welders and machinists) are still in high, high, demand, and very few people are learning this skills.

That's why there is rush to replace these high demand/paying jobs. Friend works for a company that makes automated welding machines for pipelines.
 

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That's why there is rush to replace these high demand/paying jobs. Friend works for a company that makes automated welding machines for pipelines.

Yeah but good luck finding someone technical to run/service the things.

I guess one tech is easier to find than five welders(or whatever number) though.
 

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Same thing happened to blacuksmiths and wooden wheel makers. Help your kids get interested in robotics, electronics and other future related fields.

The argument is that this technology revolution is different. Prior revolutions created new jobs which were better paying and higher skilled. This time, the automation is targeting both low skilled and high skilled labor in mass. The new jobs won't be enough to offset the lost ones nor will they pay as much.

This video does a good job laying it out:

There's a few other interesting articles out there on the difference in the "A.I." revolution and the ones that came before it.
 

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Humanity will soon be obsolete and I for one welcome our robotic overlords and hope to serve them for many years to come.
 

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Some of the jobs hardest hit are going to be machine operators,

I have a friend with a manufacturing business in Las Vegas, he tried to find a CNC operator for a Haas turret mill for quite a while before deciding to just learn to run the thing himself. That would have been a pretty decent job for some human, no takers. If nobody wants the job in the first place, who cares if a robot fills it?
 

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I just received an automated phone call, said "I know you hate getting these kinds of calls but ... " and it went on to try to tell me how I needed their financial service. I welcome robots taking over mankind's jobs because then man can't afford to do automated telemarking calls anymore {8^D
BTW, once robots take over and almost no one can find a job ... who's gonna shop Amazon?
 

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In the last year, investment in new businesses has increased substantially, with the Dow Jones index hitting 61 record highs as of yesterday. The environment is no longer as hostile to business growth, so investment happens, and more jobs are created. I've already seen an increase in the number of jobs available to me out there. I expect my income to go up between 25 and 30% with a new job, or possibly with the new owners of my company realizing that they're going to lose good people if they don't increase the pay substantially.

The next year is going to be a great time for increases in higher level jobs. The only ones that will be hurt by automation are the ones who think their jobs deserve more pay than the work is worth. People don't "deserve" a living wage just because they're working. The work needs to be worth that pay. If automation is cheaper than the rates being demanded, then the jobs will be taken over by automation. If not, then automation won't take over the job. It's all a matter of cost.

Increase in DJI does not mean investment in new business has increased. If anything, it's in large part due to the belief that taxes will be lowered and offshore cash will be repatriated - the last time that happened, the majority of the money went into dividends and share buybacks, which increased stock prices. That being said, business investment is increasing at about a 3%-4% pace for 2017, which is very good comparatively, but nowhere near the rate of the stock market.

And as for a living wage...human IQ gains by generation/decade have plateaued and may even be potentially declining (insert easy jokes here). As the complexity and specialization of work continues to increase at a much faster pace, I don't expect humanity to keep pace. Therefore, we have a few options, dumbed down, as I see it: pay people enough to live and not be a menace; don't pay people enough to live and watch revolution happen; euthanize billions of people.
 

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They built a robot that can manufacture cheap t-shirt. RIP third world country.
 

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As the complexity and specialization of work continues to increase at a much faster pace, I don't expect humanity to keep pace. Therefore, we have a few options, dumbed down, as I see it: pay people enough to live and not be a menace; don't pay people enough to live and watch revolution happen; euthanize billions of people.
I think we're going with that second one.
 

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Same thing happened to blacksmiths and wooden wheel makers. Help your kids get interested in robotics, electronics and other future related fields.

It's not even close to the same.

The problem is the "average" person doesn't have the IQ to support upper level jobs. If they did, they would be doing them now and the jobs wouldn't pay what they do...

The second problem, is there are far more jobs being replaced then are being created. At a massive deficit.
 

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And yet skilled craftsmen (specifically welders and machinists) are still in high, high, demand, and very few people are learning this skills.
This is it.
That "ther takin aur job!" video is completely myopic.
The real issues is the domination of LIBERAL ideology in the education system. Liberal elitist see manual labor and trades as oppression by "the man". So for decades they have been pushing kids to get a college degree and ignore any real trade that had anything to do with getting your hands dirty. In many places all vocational training for high school students were shut down.

 

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The argument is that this technology revolution is different. Prior revolutions created new jobs which were better paying and higher skilled. This time, the automation is targeting both low skilled and high skilled labor in mass. The new jobs won't be enough to offset the lost ones nor will they pay as much.

If our economic system no longer functions with our level of technology it's time to change the economy, not supress any new technology that might make life easier for everyone.
 

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This is it.
That "ther takin aur job!" video is completely myopic.
The real issues is the domination of LIBERAL ideology in the education system. Liberal elitist see manual labor and trades as oppression by "the man". So for decades they have been pushing kids to get a college degree and ignore any real trade that had anything to do with getting your hands dirty. In many places all vocational training for high school students were shut down.



While I admire you cute attempt to make this a liberal thing so we continue to talk about every fucking topic along political party lines, I think your brain is a bit stunted by this practice. This has nothing to do with liberalism or politics at all. Where are you getting this "trades as oppression by "the man"" crap? That sounds so beyond made up I think you are inventing your own boogymen at this point.


This is more of previous generations who worked in the trades wanting something better for their own children, so they say, "Son, with every passing generation, conditions for workers has been getting better. We want the best for you. We're gonna pay for you to goto school and get a good education so you can have a better life than we did."
 

tetris42

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This is it.
That "ther takin aur job!" video is completely myopic.
The real issues is the domination of LIBERAL ideology in the education system. Liberal elitist see manual labor and trades as oppression by "the man". So for decades they have been pushing kids to get a college degree and ignore any real trade that had anything to do with getting your hands dirty. In many places all vocational training for high school students were shut down.

This is a shortsighted approach. First off, yes, you're partially correct. We DO have a shortage of blue collar jobs that haven't been filled. A lot of that has been due to stagnating wages in those fields also (that's changing however and is currently better, but it partially explains why there haven't been more fillings).

Second, this doesn't SOLVE anything. The number of jobs up for displacement by automation is way, WAY more than all the blue collar job openings out there. The current estimate is between 400 - 800 million by 2030. Retail jobs at risk in the next decade are at 7.5 million for the US. That number alone is higher than all the openings listed in your posted video and that's not even looking at other fields, like drivers, fast food, etc. So in other words, even if everyone displaced goes into blue collar work, there still won't be NEARLY enough jobs.
 
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