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Why is this making news with the 9800x3d? this crap happens every day with literally every Intel and AMD LGA CPU model.

Some people are just too ham handed to be building anything that requires care.

This whole news cycle just reeks of an industry smear job gone wrong.
 
I feel like having to deal with the pins being on the chip back in the day has made me cautious when installing my CPU. Seems stupid but I did bend a pin or three back then, lesson learned. Now a days it's simple and easy to slap a CPU in. I thought they made it idiot proof now but I guess not.
 
Did CPU clock override + 200Mhz and -20 Curve Optimizer. Little bit of improvement over just EXPO 6000, but it looks like mine was already boosting to 5.3Ghz even without the override, probably a stock PBO setting. New setting lets it boost up to 5.4Ghz, getting max temp of 83C in Cinebench 24.

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MistaSparkul said:
Did CPU clock override + 200Mhz and -20 Curve Optimizer. Little bit of improvement over just EXPO 6000, but it looks like mine was already boosting to 5.3Ghz even without the override, probably a stock PBO setting. New setting lets it boost up to 5.4Ghz, getting max temp of 83C in Cinebench 24.

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Did you check the temperature graphs and compare them? I find my 5800x3D to be "impossible" to cool effectively. Not that the 5800x3D overheating, more that high end cooling doesn't matter that much due to terrible heat transfer limiting how much the cooler matters. Wondering if that is fixed on the 9800x3D with the cache on the other side.
 
evhvis said:
Did you check the temperature graphs and compare them? I find my 5800x3D to be "impossible" to cool effectively. Not that the 5800x3D overheating, more that high end cooling doesn't matter that much due to terrible heat transfer limiting how much the cooler matters. Wondering if that is fixed on the 9800x3D with the cache on the other side.
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Did you try a negative offset? -20 on mine is rock stable, and dropped load temps about 10C.
 
evhvis said:
Did you check the temperature graphs and compare them? I find my 5800x3D to be "impossible" to cool effectively. Not that the 5800x3D overheating, more that high end cooling doesn't matter that much due to terrible heat transfer limiting how much the cooler matters. Wondering if that is fixed on the 9800x3D with the cache on the other side.
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I didn't compare graphs no, just the max temperature reading from HWInfo.
 
arestavo said:
Did you try a negative offset? -20 on mine is rock stable, and dropped load temps about 10C.
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I hit 68 in Cinebench and probably top out at around 75 or so in the worst real world load cases, sub 60 in most gaming scenarios so it is not running super hot, just that cooling doesn't matter that much because there is so much material between the cores and the coldplate. E.g. it runs 3-5 degrees hotter than a 5800x when both run the same wattage, which means there is a heat transfer issue. Was more interested in if the new ones with OC enabled have better cooling capabilities.
 
techie81 said:
My original ship date was mid Jan but they just charged my card...so it looks like I will be getting it soon LOL
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Weird, was charged but still says Jan shipping. I may just cancel and wait for the micro center to open up near me in 2025.

And it wont let me cancel wtf amazon.
 
techie81 said:
Weird, was charged but still says Jan shipping. I may just cancel and wait for the micro center to open up near me in 2025.

And it wont let me cancel wtf amazon.
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I bet it has shipped or will ship in the next day or 2.
 
Man these run cooler than the 7800x3d by a bit. I had to re run tests to make sure my results were right.

Highest i am seeing during gaming benchmarks is mid 60’s, 74 max on cinebench. With a $30 Peerless Assasin air cooler with stock fans.

-20 pbo curve and no voltage offset yet. May not need to mess with the voltage with numbers like these.
 
Ok, got my 9800x3d yesterday. Got is running at 5.4ghz PBO set at +200. Curve Optimizer at -20. Memory right now running at 6000 speeds with super tight timings.

So far with not much tweaking I will have to say I am impressed. Just need that 5090 now ;)
 
Just punch in -40 and try it. So far I have not had a stability issue with this even at idle loads. High fabric clocks yes but curve optimizer and basic memory tuning have been very easy so far.
 
Alright new bios dropped today for my MSI 650m Project Zero. Was able to get 6400 speeds to work at a 1:1 ratio with super tight timings. Got my latency down to 64.5ns......ill take it!

I do wish I had access to get eclk overclocking, but they dont make any good micro atx motherboards with that ability :/
 
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Alright new bios dropped today for my MSI 650m Project Zero. Was able to get 6400 speeds to work at a 1:1 ratio with super tight timings. Got my latency down to 64.5ns......ill take it!

I do wish I had access to get eclk overclocking, but they dont make any good micro atx motherboards with that ability :/
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That's nice!

I'm having latency issues on my Asrock X870E Nova Wifi. My ram is running 64GB (2x32GB) at PC6200, CL 30-36-36-92-121 @ 1:1 ratio and I'm still getting 80ns latency. :cautious:

I feel like it should be quite a bit lower. Not in the 60's or anything, but certainly in the lower 70's. Do I have to mess with all of the tertiary sub-timings, or is latency mostly influence by primary timings? Thanks!
 

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That's nice!

I'm having latency issues on my Asrock X870E Nova Wifi. My ram is running 64GB (2x32GB) at PC6200, CL 30-36-36-92-121 @ 1:1 ratio and I'm still getting 80ns latency. :cautious:

I feel like it should be quite a bit lower. Not in the 60's or anything, but certainly in the lower 70's. Do I have to mess with all of the tertiary sub-timings, or is latency mostly influence by primary timings?
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To be honest, I just tried this new feature added in the latest MSI bios for the 9800x3d called latency killer. Didnt think it would actually do anything, but I was messing with my timings getting around 71-72ns. I gave it a try and well yeah I was shocked at the results.

But yes, I did mess with the tertiary subt-timings before I tried the new latency killer. I could never get below 70ns. I personally think latency is influenced by both.....

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That's nice!

I'm having latency issues on my Asrock X870E Nova Wifi. My ram is running 64GB (2x32GB) at PC6200, CL 30-36-36-92-121 @ 1:1 ratio and I'm still getting 80ns latency. :cautious:

I feel like it should be quite a bit lower. Not in the 60's or anything, but certainly in the lower 70's. Do I have to mess with all of the tertiary sub-timings, or is latency mostly influence by primary timings?
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Try my settings here:

https://hardforum.com/threads/anyon...x3d-to-7800x3d.2027175/page-5#post-1045832961
 
Wade88 said:
I've noticed amazon will frequently do this with some things where they say ~90 days in the future and then in a week or three it ships.
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Good call. I ordered on the 14th. Estimated arrival was showing as Jan 13~20th until today, when i was charged and notified it had shipped 👍
 
It's WORKING!

The one downside is that MSI Afterburner cannot show CPU temps / clocks. HWinfo can supposedly integrate that - but they charge a subscription if you want to use it for more than 12 hours.
 

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It's WORKING!

The one downside is that MSI Afterburner cannot show CPU temps / clocks. HWinfo can supposedly integrate that - but they charge a subscription if you want to use it for more than 12 hours.
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Arrowlake can show temps in Afterburner. But, not clocks or power usage. Hopefully Afterburner gets an update soon.
 
Advil said:
Well, it's hard to believe but for the first time in recent CPU launch history I was able to just slap in the basic X870 mobo, 9800X3D, put my NH-D15S on it, DDR5 6400, and just set Scatterbenchers OC profile as shown in his video which I thought would be too aggressive on the curve optimizer.

Memlock = Uclock and 2200 fabric.

Shockingly, it just worked with absolutely no other tweaking. Been playing The Finals and Rocket League all night no issues. Also hammered it with some Cinebench R23 multicore and single.

Didn't even reinstall Windows.

These chips are interesting.

(Disclosure so newbs will understand: This is first night, and this is SO FAR. There are MANY other games and LOTS of stress tests that need to be run eventually. I'll go hammer it with Star Citizen for a while. That game will crash if your fabric clock is even the slightest bit unstable.)

But so far, a breath of fresh air as far as headroom to overclock a little.
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Skatterbencher is nuts. He usually OCs it beyond average users capability and with temps bouncing off the limit or more so pegged at the limit. What cooling are you on and how aggressive did you OC it? What are your temps?
 
arestavo said:
It's WORKING!

The one downside is that MSI Afterburner cannot show CPU temps / clocks. HWinfo can supposedly integrate that - but they charge a subscription if you want to use it for more than 12 hours.
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Afterburner does show CPU temps and clocks, what do you mean it doesn't show?
 
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Skatterbencher is nuts. He usually OCs it beyond average users capability and with temps bouncing off the limit or more so pegged at the limit. What cooling are you on and how aggressive did you OC it? What are your temps?
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Scatterbencher is usually nuts... But not so nuts this time. The CPUs are just so good you don't have to do anything crazy.

I've got the latest E bios on my Gigabyte X870 Gaming Wifi 6. Running gskill trident z neo RGB DDR5 6400 ram at 6200, RAM bandwidth boost on (important setting for my ram or latency is garbage), memclock=uclock, fclock 2066, manual tighter timings at 30, 36, 36, 96. PBO on, power limits set to "motherboard", scalar 10x, +200, negative offset all core -39. IGP disabled.

Ram latency sitting at 67.7ns.

Temps in cinebench r23 multi core 75-76C using a Noctua D15S with 2 fans. (It's better than my last post where I was a little over 80C). I think everything is fine now and I'm going to leave this cooler on for the long haul.

Motherboard is doing fine on its own holding max VID to 1.115v max typical is 1.10v. all the cores are staying pegged at 5.4Ghz.

Not bad for $120 ram and board that cost $150 with the CPU combo.
 
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Afterburner does show CPU temps and clocks, what do you mean it doesn't show?
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I can confirm that even the latest Afterburner beta doesn't show temps yet for the 9800X3D. I'm not sure if it's an issue for all Zen5 CPUs or just X3D CPUs. The only current workaround is to set afterburner to external input and use it in conjunction with HWinfo, but as mentioned, this is one of the features that HWinfo keeps behind it's paywall. I'd like to think that the next Afterburner update will fix this with native support.
 
Advil said:
Scatterbencher is usually nuts... But not so nuts this time. The CPUs are just so good you don't have to do anything crazy.

I've got the latest E bios on my Gigabyte X870 Gaming Wifi 6. Running gskill trident z neo RGB DDR5 6400 ram at 6200, RAM bandwidth boost on (important setting for my ram or latency is garbage), memclock=uclock, fclock 2066, manual tighter timings at 30, 36, 36, 96. PBO on, power limits set to "motherboard", scalar 10x, +200, negative offset all core -39. IGP disabled.

Ram latency sitting at 67.7ns.

Temps in cinebench r23 multi core 75-76C using a Noctua D15S with 2 fans. (It's better than my last post where I was a little over 80C). I think everything is fine now and I'm going to leave this cooler on for the long haul.

Motherboard is doing fine on its own holding max VID to 1.115v max typical is 1.10v. all the cores are staying pegged at 5.4Ghz.

Not bad for $120 ram and board that cost $150 with the CPU combo.
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Those are fantastic settings. Good job dude. 🤠 Great info for anyone that would like to setup similarly. Thanks for sharing.
 
Scalar 10x is not advisable if you care about longevity of your CPU. Also it sort of negates the PBO. Can you run Cinebench and post your temperatures with those settings? Advil
 
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Scalar 10x is not advisable if you care about longevity of your CPU. Also it sort of negates the PBO. Can you run Cinebench and post your temperatures with those settings? Advil
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What is this 10x setting? Why is it bad? Not familiar with AMD settings haven't had one since the Athlon X2 days. His voltage ⚡ is extremely low, what is the issue with scalar?
 
Well...I played around with my memory timings a bit and dropped my latency from 80ns to 71.0ns.

  • Increased my tREFI from 12,076 --> 48,034
  • Reduced my Trwrwsd from 10 --> 8
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PC6200, CL: 30-36-36-64-100. It's not in the mid-60's like others are getting, but it's much better. I still need to test for overall stability, but I'll take it for now. :cool:
 

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Scalar 10x is not advisable if you care about longevity of your CPU.
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It always makes good sense to keep an eye on what voltage your CPU is being fed, but 10x Scalar doesn't guarantee that your CPU will see dangerous voltage, it's just one variable.

I'm currently running 10x Scalar with -60 All-core curve optimizer offset (My BIOS lets me set -60, but still not sure if the actual limit is -50). With PBO +200Mhz, set to motherboard limits, and 102BCLK I'm seeing 5534Mhz maintained even during all-core loads at only 1.155v. That's far far less voltage than should be dangerous. Although there are a lot of different opinions on what the max safe voltage is, most people claim numbers in the 1.3-1.4v range, with the most conservative number I've seen thrown out being 1.25v.
 
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Scalar 10x is not advisable if you care about longevity of your CPU. Also it sort of negates the PBO. Can you run Cinebench and post your temperatures with those settings? Advil
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I have it posted right there. Cinebench temps 75-76C max on a full 10 min run. HWinfo reported max voltage on a 10 minute run at 1.115v.

That seems plenty low unless I'm being lied to on the voltage reading by the board.

Just for kicks I'll try lower scalar numbers and see if it will still hold the same clocks and stay stable. Why not... If it's stable it's stable.
 
Brackle said:
To be honest, I just tried this new feature added in the latest MSI bios for the 9800x3d called latency killer. Didnt think it would actually do anything, but I was messing with my timings getting around 71-72ns. I gave it a try and well yeah I was shocked at the results.

But yes, I did mess with the tertiary subt-timings before I tried the new latency killer. I could never get below 70ns. I personally think latency is influenced by both.....

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I just ran Aida and my latency is 87.7 ns. Did you notice any real difference with the latency killer?
 
xDiVolatilX said:
Afterburner does show CPU temps and clocks, what do you mean it doesn't show?
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GotNoRice said:
I can confirm that even the latest Afterburner beta doesn't show temps yet for the 9800X3D. I'm not sure if it's an issue for all Zen5 CPUs or just X3D CPUs. The only current workaround is to set afterburner to external input and use it in conjunction with HWinfo, but as mentioned, this is one of the features that HWinfo keeps behind it's paywall. I'd like to think that the next Afterburner update will fix this with native support.
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It's all Zen 5 parts. I found a post that I'd linked earlier here, where using HWinfo can inject it into Afterburner. But only for 12 hours unless you pay a subscription.

As to overclocking further... it seems that my 9800X3D has a hard wall at 5425. 5500 isn't stable even at 1.35V (which I saw go up to 1.375V in HWMonitor) - which is why I'm back at a manual 5425 and 1.24V. At least it holds that frequency (~5410 as my bCLK is auto 99.8) in heavy stress tests.
 
arestavo said:
It's all Zen 5 parts. I found a post that I'd linked earlier here, where using HWinfo can inject it into Afterburner. But only for 12 hours unless you pay a subscription.

As to overclocking further... it seems that my 9800X3D has a hard wall at 5425. 5500 isn't stable even at 1.35V (which I saw go up to 1.375V in HWMonitor) - which is why I'm back at a manual 5425 and 1.24V. At least it holds that frequency (~5410 as my bCLK is auto 99.8) in heavy stress tests.
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May I ask, what is your CPU power draw in Cinebench R23 with those settings? Thanks!
 
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