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Burke888 said:
MSI Afterburner
Anyone run into missing CPU temp, CPU frequency, after upgrading? These items are now absent from my on screen display and aren't electable in MSI Afterburner.
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CPU Temps and frequency are also missing on my Arrowlake build.
 
Blackstone said:
What should max temp be during a prime 95 run? So far I’m seeing 83C max. This is a much higher load than a gaming load, because fans never spun up like this during gaming.

I had several minutes at 62C 100% load in prime95. Is it safe to say my cooler install/pasting was successful?

Idle is at like 39.
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max temp is 95c so its fine.
 
undertaker2k8 said:
Yeah it's been available for a while showing early Jan on mine, expect it to drop at other places soon and these will likely ship way before Jan, Amazon sandbags these dates on purpose. Walmart asses canceled my digital delivery lol so nabbed one from Amazon again, now just need to find a x8/670E with 4 M2 and 8 SATA ports. Am in no rush but locking prices now seems to be wise, get ready for inflation like you've never seen before ...
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Dang I keep striking out on Amazon. I think my west coast wakeup time is hurting my chances lol

I'm doing more of a build upgrade than I was originally planning. I agree it's a good time to lock in prices. Things are gonna get wild.
 
Epos7 said:
Dang I keep striking out on Amazon. I think my west coast wakeup time is hurting my chances lol

I'm doing more of a build upgrade than I was originally planning. I agree it's a good time to lock in prices. Things are gonna get wild.
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Back on Amazon right now. Was able to order at MSRP with a January delivery. As others have said, it'll likely be much sooner.

Have the Amazon Prime CC so 5% cash back is nice.
 
Well, it's hard to believe but for the first time in recent CPU launch history I was able to just slap in the basic X870 mobo, 9800X3D, put my NH-D15S on it, DDR5 6400, and just set Scatterbenchers OC profile as shown in his video which I thought would be too aggressive on the curve optimizer.

Memlock = Uclock and 2200 fabric.

Shockingly, it just worked with absolutely no other tweaking. Been playing The Finals and Rocket League all night no issues. Also hammered it with some Cinebench R23 multicore and single.

Didn't even reinstall Windows.

These chips are interesting.

(Disclosure so newbs will understand: This is first night, and this is SO FAR. There are MANY other games and LOTS of stress tests that need to be run eventually. I'll go hammer it with Star Citizen for a while. That game will crash if your fabric clock is even the slightest bit unstable.)

But so far, a breath of fresh air as far as headroom to overclock a little.
 
Finally got my shipping notification from Amazon. Will be here on Monday 😁 looking forward to see what I can get.

Think I’ll wait for more deliding benchmarks before I go that route. I want to see if it even helps with overclocks
 
Brackle said:
Finally got my shipping notification from Amazon. Will be here on Monday 😁 looking forward to see what I can get.

Think I’ll wait for more deliding benchmarks before I go that route. I want to see if it even helps with overclocks
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What was your purchase date?
 
Actuallyy I was recently communicating with someone about getting EXPO to post, on the X870 Tomahawk.

And the board had automatically set a SOC voltage of 1.4
It's not supposed to be any higher than 1.3. As per the Ryzen burn out controversy last year.
That person is actually probably lucky their board won't post with EXPO for their RAM.
 
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MSI needs to get back to releasing decent bioses. Both for 7800X3D and now 9800X3D I am hearing similar issues of bios doing random stuff. Even the boot times are unpredictable lately as per my other thread.
 
KickAssCop said:
MSI needs to get back to releasing decent bioses. Both for 7800X3D and now 9800X3D I am hearing similar issues of bios doing random stuff. Even the boot times are unpredictable lately as per my other thread.
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Hardware Unboxed believes MSI and AMD have a soured relationship. And MSI is reluctantly releasing the few AMD products that they do.

MSI also announced an 800 series ITX board for.....2nd quarter 2025. Seems to me like they weren't going to bother...but now X3D is printing money.
 
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So as I suspected Star Citizen did crash at 2200fclk after a few minutes which is long enough to be pretty close to stable actually.
It still crashed occasionally at DDR5 6400 2133fclk with the ram on high bandwidth mode or not.

The way I see it, if all games and productivity software aren't fully stable, the CPU isn't trustworthy and I don't want to deal with it. So for me an OC has to be good for every game and workload, full stop.

To get Star Citizen stable, I am currently at:

RAM 6200mhz at 2066 fclk with high bandwidth mode on which pulls trfc down from approx 900 to 512 and memory latency is down to 70 ns. Which is reallly good for a fully stable daily driver. I'm trying not to get too excited until everything proves completely stable for a couple of weeks but this shaping up to be a really decent CPU (in today's cpu landscape) with no overly complex BIOS settings needed.

Once again, I'm using Star Citizen only because for my last 3 Ryzen CPUs it has proven to crash very quickly with even the slightest amount of CPU or RAM instability. So (for me) it has been a very very good real world worst case game test for OCs. I can play Rocket League or The Finals all day long with a much more aggressive OC, then fire up Star Citizen and it dies in 30 seconds to 5 minutes.
 
Advil said:
So as I suspected Star Citizen did crash at 2200fclk after a few minutes which is long enough to be pretty close to stable actually.
It still crashed occasionally at DDR5 6400 2133fclk with the ram on high bandwidth mode or not.

The way I see it, if all games and productivity software aren't fully stable, the CPU isn't trustworthy and I don't want to deal with it. So for me an OC has to be good for every game and workload, full stop.

To get Star Citizen stable, I am currently at:

RAM 6200mhz at 2066 fclk with high bandwidth mode on which pulls trfc down from approx 900 to 512 and memory latency is down to 70 ns. Which is reallly good for a fully stable daily driver. I'm trying not to get too excited until everything proves completely stable for a couple of weeks but this shaping up to be a really decent CPU (in today's cpu landscape) with no overly complex BIOS settings needed.

Once again, I'm using Star Citizen only because for my last 3 Ryzen CPUs it has proven to crash very quickly with even the slightest amount of CPU or RAM instability. So (for me) it has been a very very good real world worst case game test for OCs. I can play Rocket League or The Finals all day long with a much more aggressive OC, then fire up Star Citizen and it dies in 30 seconds to 5 minutes.
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Here are my daily 7800X3D settings for ddr5 6200
https://hardforum.com/threads/anyon...x3d-to-7800x3d.2027175/page-5#post-1045832961

Derived from a couple buildzoid vids and a couple other videos.

At some point I dropped it to 6000 and then did CL28 instead of 30.

Along with CL28 6000: I also turned off memory context restore, disabled RAM power down, and turned on some extra memory training settings. Asrock board, only added about 8 seconds Compared to MCR turned on.
 
Happy one week of ownership to those who got one on launch day. Currently still just rocking a 6000 EXPO tweak, can anyone give some insight on what tuning is worth it? PBO? Curve Optimizer?
 
MistaSparkul said:
Happy one week of ownership to those who got one on launch day. Currently still just rocking a 6000 EXPO tweak, can anyone give some insight on what tuning is worth it? PBO? Curve Optimizer?
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I’ve been happy with it stock actually, 6000 cl30 ram. Runs cool, I have higher frame rates and didn’t need to tweak anything yet. I’m sure other will chime in. Mine could be optimized more for efficiency but I’m happy with it as is. Runs fine on a Peerless Assasin. Air cooler for now.
 
MistaSparkul said:
Happy one week of ownership to those who got one on launch day. Currently still just rocking a 6000 EXPO tweak, can anyone give some insight on what tuning is worth it? PBO? Curve Optimizer?
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Turn on PBO
+200 in "CPU Boost Clock Override" (+200 is the max you can enter)
-20 Curve Optimizer for all core

Should be do-able for virtually every CPU. Will give you lower temps and 200 extra MHZ in gaming and maybe even in multicore, if your cooling is decent.
 
chameleoneel said:
Here are my daily 7800X3D settings for ddr5 6200
https://hardforum.com/threads/anyon...x3d-to-7800x3d.2027175/page-5#post-1045832961

Derived from a couple buildzoid vids and a couple other videos.

At some point I dropped it to 6000 and then did CL28 instead of 30.

Along with CL28 6000: I also turned off memory context restore, disabled RAM power down, and turned on some extra memory training settings. Asrock board, only added about 8 seconds Compared to MCR turned on.
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Thank you for that. It gave me a couple more ideas for some easy performance.

The ram has expo for 6400 and 6000 but not 6200 so I just used the relevant timings in the expo profile for 6000 to make a 6200 profile in bios. That got me a 3x multiple at 2066fclk, cl30, and good latency back under 70ns (69ns). Nice.

This is just being done with expo, primary timings, fclk adjustment and the usual PBO settings with curve optimizer on all core.

The last thing I want to try at the moment is scatterbenchers curve shaper settings instead of curve optimizer just to see the difference... But I'm pushing what I can reasonably do with a big air cooler and I won't use liquid coolers too much work and too many issues.

It might be time to get the D15 G2... But the price of those coolers is painful.
 
a ps/pa120 is all you need, youre wasting $100 on that noctua for a gaming setup, UNLESS youre running looooong sustained loads...
 
Blackstone said:
I dunno, the mounting system is beyond excellent, the fit and finish is excellent, the aesthetics are unique, the cooler is quiet, and it will be in place for many years. If you look closely at some reviews, while the competition has similar temps, the noctua tends to be a bit quieter than the competition at the same temps. I'm sure you are correct, however.
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You can buy a Thermalright Phantom Spirit and two of your favorite fans, and still be cheaper than Noctua. And have as good or better performance. Thermalright's mount is extremely similar to Noctua's. In fact, if it weren't for the fact they use a different thread size, they would be interchangeable.

Additionally, the Phantom Spirit EVO has upgraded fans, which may or may not be better quality than the regular PS.
 
I have a D15S that I have added an additional fan to. Like Blackstone above, probably had it since 2018 or so.

I LOVE the thermalright coolers. I use them on all my other systems and for all my customers builds. The latest Phantom Spirit 120 EVO is absolutely in my opinion the best all around cooler for the money.

That said, there are one or two tiny advantages to the Noctua. At highest fan speeds they're still a touch more pleasant noise level on the main fan because of the 140mm size. And the g2 reviews, including from gamers Nexus give them a few extra degrees C at the 200w load range.

I'm reaching the high 80s C and would like it to be just a hair better.

I am not advocating the G2 for anyone else here it is moronically expensive for the tiny improvement. In fact I'm considering trying thermalrights new vortex 140 before I go that route.

But as I said above I won't use liquid coolers and am absolutely a bit of a sucker and snob for the best air coolers. I want it all no compromise and no one really makes the perfect beast yet.
 
Advil said:
I have a D15S that I have added an additional fan to. Like Blackstone above, probably had it since 2018 or so.

I LOVE the thermalright coolers. I use them on all my other systems and for all my customers builds. The latest Phantom Spirit 120 EVO is absolutely in my opinion the best all around cooler for the money.

That said, there are one or two tiny advantages to the Noctua. At highest fan speeds they're still a touch more pleasant noise level on the main fan because of the 140mm size. And the g2 reviews, including from gamers Nexus give them a few extra degrees C at the 200w load range.

I'm reaching the high 80s C and would like it to be just a hair better.

I am not advocating the G2 for anyone else here it is moronically expensive for the tiny improvement. In fact I'm considering trying thermalrights new vortex 140 before I go that route.

But as I said above I won't use liquid coolers and am absolutely a bit of a sucker and snob for the best air coolers. I want it all no compromise and no one really makes the perfect beast yet.
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Personally l, I would get the Phantom Spirit 120 SE, and then put two great fans on it. Like Toughfan 12 Pro, Phanteks T30, Silent Wings 4, etc.
 
arestavo said:
Amazon (actually sold by Amazon) has the 9800X3D up for order with a delivery date in January - was mid December a few minutes ago.
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I just bought one with a 670e tomahawk from Amazon. We'll see when it actually ships. Should rethink the tomahawk?
 
My original ship date was mid Jan but they just charged my card...so it looks like I will be getting it soon LOL
 
Microcenter in Cambridge just got a new shipment and has plenty (not yet out on the shelf)
 
Safe and Effective said:
I just bought one with a 670e tomahawk from Amazon. We'll see when it actually ships. Should rethink the tomahawk?
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Nothing wrong with that board really. As mentioned by some be aware that it will likely apply considerably higher voltage than necessary to VSoc and VDDio. Mine has always done this (early bios) but a manual voltage adjustment after first post and it's been flawless since. I frankly do not fully update my bios because of the performance impact of mitigations applied in the updates and I keep nothing critical on my gaming machine but that's a personal preference.
 
learners permit said:
Nothing wrong with that board really. As mentioned by some be aware that it will likely apply considerably higher voltage than necessary to VSoc and VDDio. Mine has always done this (early bios) but a manual voltage adjustment after first post and it's been flawless since. I frankly do not fully update my bios because of the performance impact of mitigations applied in the updates and I keep nothing critical on my gaming machine but that's a personal preference.
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For those who want to run a 9800X3D I'm sure a BIOS update is mandatory, unless you somehow got one with the most recent revision right out of the box. I did a flashback on mine before installing the 9800X3D and after enabling EXPO, SoC voltage was set to only 1.209v so I'm pretty sure this issue is long fixed now.
 

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