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Interesting. I didn't realize the chips launched yesterday, so was really late to the party by the time I started reading daily news. The CPUs were out of stock but not the Newegg bundles. The X870 board was so cheap I figured what the hey I'll just sell off my B650 board with the old CPU and nearly break even on the board anyway.

Point is, delivery is Tuesday. So as annoying as those Newegg bundles are, they actually sent it asap for once.
 
I'm just reading an article about how the amd 9800x3d is sold out in Europe and America, it's selling so much that they started canceling orders in Germany.All are supposedly sold out in Europe.
 
chameleoneel said:
As I said, you may need to add 10 or 15 more watts, due to it being a different architecture and specced with higher base clocks and boost clocks. (so PPT and TDC set to 85 or 90 or something like that).

But my 7800X3D was locked at 4.8ghz with those settings.
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Thanks, I’m an AMD OC noob - so if PPT limit (mW) is set to 75000 now - bump it to 85000 and test? IMG_8718.jpeg
 
My 9800X3D is low-mid to bottom-tier. Been overclocking for a few days highest I could get stable is 5.375GHz which is +150 Mhz and that is with a positive CO offset with curve shaper on the High/Max frequencies, it reached 95.5c.

I'll just run it stock with -25 CO, it passed 16 hours of Prime95, with CO -25 it doesn't go above 90c in Prime.

In my limited game testing this CPU does great on the 1% lows with a range of 15%-30% higher almost in every game. I haven't noticed any benefits to max FPS but I game at 4K, though it's a nice step up from the 7800X3D. I'll probably fine-tune my memory this week. Did some limited testing and my MC is worse than the one I had on my 7800X3D. Overall the upgrade feels similar to going from the 5800X3D to the 7800X3D.
 
deceptXS said:
My 9800X3D is low-mid to bottom-tier. Been overclocking for a few days highest I could get stable is 5.375GHz which is +150 Mhz and that is with a positive CO offset with curve shaper on the High/Max frequencies, it reached 95.5c.

I'll just run it stock with -25 CO, it passed 16 hours of Prime95, with CO -25 it doesn't go above 90c in Prime.

In my limited game testing this CPU does great on the 1% lows with a range of 15%-30% higher almost in every game. I haven't noticed any benefits to max FPS but I game at 4K, though it's a nice step up from the 7800X3D. I'll probably fine-tune my memory this week. Did some limited testing and my MC is worse than the one I had on my 7800X3D. Overall the upgrade feels similar to going from the 5800X3D to the 7800X3D.
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Really? The video I looked at the 7800 and 9800 were virtually the same @ 4K.
 
Furious_Styles said:
Really? The video I looked at the 7800 and 9800 were virtually the same @ 4K.
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I'll give a specific example. In Dragon's Dogma 2 since it is a unique example where you see the maximum FPS increase as well, running around the main city (the area near the fountain) at 4K Maximum settings with TAA+FXAA, RT:
- 7800X3D+4090 = 65-82 FPS with an average FPS of 75. 60-75% GPU utilization, 50 FPS 1% low. With a 26% FPS variance.
- 9800X3D+4090 = 82-95 FPS with an average FPS of 87. 80-95% GPU utilization, 55 FPS 1% low. With a 16% FPS variance.

The 9800X3D nearly makes the city GPU bound, it actually sits around 88%-94% utilization most of the time, but did include the dips to 80 since I did not want to post inaccurately.

pandora's box said:
Native 4k. Throw in dlss and I imagine you’ll see gains. Balanced dlss is less than 1440p native
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Yea most of the time I use DLSS at 80% scaling you see even more benefit using DLSS.
 
Hi i wanna buy 9800X3D ryzen. Also will gskill rams.( i wanna buy them ) . Will mobo Gigabyte Aorus X870 Aorus Elite Wifi 7 is ok,can i buy this mobo,no issues?
 
hu76 said:
Hi i wanna buy 9800X3D ryzen. Also will gskill rams.( i wanna buy them ) . Will mobo Gigabyte Aorus X870 Aorus Elite Wifi 7 is ok,can i buy this mobo,no issues?
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If you're not sure, pcpartpicker is good for newbies it tells you incompatibilities. Even a good portion of us enthusiasts use it to plan builds.
 
Incase anyone is curious. I just tested the 9800X3D with 88 ppt, 75 tdc, 150 edc (aka eco-mode settings):

It scored 20788 in Cinebench R23 at <55c on a 240 AIO, It averaged around 4.6GHz during the test.

Also did a quick run through the city in DD2, it averaged 5199MHz (slightly below stock), 77-95 FPS, 55 fps 1% low, averaged 86 fps. 4K/Max/RT/TAA+FXAA

Awesome CPU, crushes the 7800X3D even in Eco Mode (which is about power parity to the 7800X3D)
 
Not sure if my mobo has PBO on by default but looks like the max power draw at stock settings is 130 watts. Max temp of 83C on a 360 AIO.
 

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Not sure if my mobo has PBO on by default but looks like the max power draw at stock settings is 130 watts. Max temp of 83C on a 360 AIO.
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At stock the PPT is 162 so it can go up to 162W. My chip hit 143W at stock running Cinebench R23, but I think I have a relatively bad chip.
 
I love hard forum to ask no rddit or pcpartpicker. If i ask again is Gigabyte Aorus X870 Aorus Elite Wifi 7 good to buy? No issues at all? Thx
 
FYI to everyone: Check your SOC voltage. (AKA SOC Uncore or VDD_SOC).

I've just been communicating with someone whom couldn't get EXPO to work on their X870 Tomahawk, with a set of Corsair DDR5 6000.

Turns out the board is setting 1.4 SOC voltage, when EXPO is enabled (EXPO doesn't determin the SOC voltage when its enabled. The board maker determines that.)

1.4 is very dangerously high. It should be no higher than 1.3. And the majority of the time, you don't need more than 1.25. And if you aren't tweaking sub-timings and/or going for CL28, you may even be able to use less than 1.25.

A year ago, AMD mandated with board partners to not set SOC voltage higher than 1.3. But, looks like the 800 series boards are going over that, again.

Thankfully for this person, their board wouldn't post with EXPO enabled. I'm guessing the memory controller was actually crashing from such high voltage. If their system had worked at 1.4, their 9800X3D could have burned out pretty quickly.
 
chameleoneel said:
FYI to everyone: Check your SOC voltage. (AKA SOC Uncore or VDD_SOC).

I've just been communicating with someone whom couldn't get EXPO to work on their X870 Tomahawk, with a set of Corsair DDR5 6000.

Turns out the board is setting 1.4 SOC voltage, when EXPO is enabled (EXPO doesn't determin the SOC voltage when its enabled. The board maker determines that.)

1.4 is very dangerously high. It should be no higher than 1.3. And the majority of the time, you don't need more than 1.25. And if you aren't tweaking sub-timings and/or going for CL28, you may even be able to use less than 1.25.

A year ago, AMD mandated with board partners to not set SOC voltage higher than 1.3. But, looks like the 800 series boards are going over that, again.

Thankfully for this person, their board wouldn't post with EXPO enabled. I'm guessing the memory controller was actually crashing from such high voltage. If their system had worked at 1.4, their 9800X3D could have burned out pretty quickly.
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good catch. pretty sure those stupid cpu enhancements that are being posted about will also mess with this.
 
chameleoneel said:
FYI to everyone: Check your SOC voltage. (AKA SOC Uncore or VDD_SOC).

I've just been communicating with someone whom couldn't get EXPO to work on their X870 Tomahawk, with a set of Corsair DDR5 6000.

Turns out the board is setting 1.4 SOC voltage, when EXPO is enabled (EXPO doesn't determin the SOC voltage when its enabled. The board maker determines that.)

1.4 is very dangerously high. It should be no higher than 1.3. And the majority of the time, you don't need more than 1.25. And if you aren't tweaking sub-timings and/or going for CL28, you may even be able to use less than 1.25.

A year ago, AMD mandated with board partners to not set SOC voltage higher than 1.3. But, looks like the 800 series boards are going over that, again.

Thankfully for this person, their board wouldn't post with EXPO enabled. I'm guessing the memory controller was actually crashing from such high voltage. If their system had worked at 1.4, their 9800X3D could have burned out pretty quickly.
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This has been the case since X670 release and is the first thing I do after any base component hardware change ,ram ,cpu or board. I've seen it over 1.45 in some cases it's ridiculously high. I'm running 1.28 volts currently to manage 4 dimms and 96 GB of ram after it was set at 1.4V by the board.
 
With UCLK at 3000 (6000 Mt/s RAM) you shouldn't need any more than 1.25v SOC. 1.25v is for terrible luck on the IMC, like mine, needing 1.24v.
 
I thought that would have been fixed by default on an X870 board. My X670E Tomahawk on the latest bios only pushes SoC voltage to 1.209.
 
Blackstone said:
Finally up and running with Rog Crossfire 870E Hero in the old Silverstone FT01 case. Everything left at auto in bios for now.

This is a massive upgrade from my 8700K. Based on load times alone in DCS World and Crysis Remastered, I’m blown away. Just by how responsive the load times are.

There is only so much I can do with a 3090 regarding frames but this is going to absolutely RIP with a 5090.
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Yeah people don't realize how far things have come from the 8700k and 9700k. They still work, kind of timeless CPUs with good performance... but I've had numerous people with these chips ask me why they are getting stutter and inconsistent frames in games even ones a few years old and it's hard to break it to them the those CPUs can't play everything properly anymore.

And you've been absolutely hamstringing yourself for ages if you have a 3090 on a 8700k. The RTX 3080, 3080 Ti, and 3090 perform COMPLETELY different on CPUs from the Intel 12th gen up. Or Ryzen 5000 series up.

My biggest question right now, is when do I give up the 3080 Ti now that I'm going to have a 9800X3D? I'm thinking 5070 Ti this time? It's going to be price dependent. If the 5080 launches at or under $1000 I might bite.

At the same time, I could wait for the Supers and really not care. More a matter of how much longer 3000 cards will be worth anything to sell.
 
Helldivers 2 sees no gain over a 7800X3D unfortunately. Guess it's a game where Zen 5 doesn't improve much.
 
I just upgraded my CPU and now I'm being asked to reactivate Windows 11. Does anyone know any workarounds to fix this? I'd hate to have to buy another OS key.
 
Burke888 said:
I just upgraded my CPU and now I'm being asked to reactivate Windows 11. Does anyone know any workarounds to fix this? I'd hate to have to buy another OS key.
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if it isnt oem, just wait and it will reactivate.
 
Burke888 said:
This one is an OEM key, would that make a difference? It's Windows 11 and the only thing I changed was the CPU.
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It may be too late. But, the thing to do with OEM keys is to sign into your microsoft account here:

https://account.microsoft.com/devices


and remove that computer from your devices list.

You should be able to re-use the key, after that. Make sure you have the key, before you remove it. Because that MS account page does not show the key. If you don't have it somewhere, you can view it with an admin command prompt:

wmic path softwarelicensingservice get OA3xOriginalProductKey

I dunno if removing it from your device list allows you to instantly re-use the key or not. I usually do it a couple of days before I swap hardware.


If you never synced that Windows install to your MS account, then you are probably SOL and need to buy another key. I get them from CJS keys. Usually like $12 - $16.
 
I was mainly replying to Blackstone's post who has an 8700k. I currently have a 7900X3D that I'll sell off once I put the 9800X3D in tomorrow.

Certainly, there isn't going to be a massive difference but I'm setting up for the next video card upgrade sometime in the next year or so.

In the meantime, I'll take whatever the CPU upgrade will give me with the 3080 Ti.
 
pendragon1 said:
yup that^^. you could still give it a couple days...
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Thanks all for the help with the Windows activation! For anyone else that runs into this with an OEM key, give it some time like pendragon1 mentioned. Mine took about 8 hours. After that time I ran the built in troubleshooter in Windows 11 and was able to select my "old PC" (actually just the same PC), from a list and that activated Windows. Prior to that, the troubleshooter kept erroring out.

MSI Afterburner
Anyone run into missing CPU temp, CPU frequency, after upgrading? These items are now absent from my on screen display and aren't electable in MSI Afterburner.
 
Burke888 said:
Thanks all for the help with the Windows activation! For anyone else that runs into this with an OEM key, give it some time like pendragon1 mentioned. Mine took about 8 hours. After that time I ran the built in troubleshooter in Windows 11 and was able to select my "old PC" (actually just the same PC), from a list and that activated Windows. Prior to that, the troubleshooter kept erroring out.

MSI Afterburner
Anyone run into missing CPU temp, CPU frequency, after upgrading? These items are now absent from my on screen display and aren't electable in MSI Afterburner.
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nice.
theyre working on updating it. there is a beta RTSS that may add it back.
https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/msi-ab-rtss-development-news-thread.412822/page-230#post-6263051
 
Looks like it's available on Amazon right now, est delivery date is Jan 24th...
 
techie81 said:
Looks like it's available on Amazon right now, est delivery date is Jan 24th...
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Yeah it's been available for a while showing early Jan on mine, expect it to drop at other places soon and these will likely ship way before Jan, Amazon sandbags these dates on purpose. Walmart asses canceled my digital delivery lol so nabbed one from Amazon again, now just need to find a x8/670E with 4 M2 and 8 SATA ports. Am in no rush but locking prices now seems to be wise, get ready for inflation like you've never seen before ...
 
Burke888 said:
Thanks all for the help with the Windows activation! For anyone else that runs into this with an OEM key, give it some time like pendragon1 mentioned. Mine took about 8 hours. After that time I ran the built in troubleshooter in Windows 11 and was able to select my "old PC" (actually just the same PC), from a list and that activated Windows. Prior to that, the troubleshooter kept erroring out.

MSI Afterburner
Anyone run into missing CPU temp, CPU frequency, after upgrading? These items are now absent from my on screen display and aren't electable in MSI Afterburner.
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Try uninstalling Ryzen master if you have it installed. I've had this a couple times and that was the fix for my system.
 
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