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recommendation for aio

You've fooled everyone again with your nonsense, always the same ones who start something stupid.
 
freeagentt said:
This is your thread, and this is what happens when you ask stupid questions with doing zero research.

Maybe do better?
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that's why I opened the topic, to ask what the professionals advise
pendragon always advises me to open my own topic and not to reply to other topics,I guess he's the main moderator here who edits the forums and topics.
 
thanks to the two members (if I'm not mistaken) who responded constructively and really helped,helped with measurements etc.
 
pendragon1 said:
no prob!
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you just advised not 240 aio
I got so excited about AIO water cooling and in the end there are more reasons to be against it... I'll probably set the CPU to 3.86GHz and that's it, the Noctua junk will then be able to cool it down.
 
I’ve never liked AIO cooling solutions. The whole idea behind water cooling is to gain cooling efficiencies that are much higher than what can be had via air cooling, as well as to have greatly reduced noise, in a setup that’s both reliable and performs long term. AIO solutions typically use lines that are very thin/restrictive, employ sub-par materials and make use of lower quality internal components in order to maximize profits. They also tend to use aluminum instead of copper in their heat sinks/radiators to further reduce costs, and end up not really cooling all that more effectively than a middle of the road fan/air setup.

If you are going to water cool, my take has always been to do it properly with a custom loop that includes a quality pump, rad and block. Something that can be easily serviced and will hold up a long time.
 
Supercharged_Z06 said:
I’ve never liked AIO cooling solutions. The whole idea behind water cooling is to gain cooling efficiencies that are much higher than what can be had via air cooling, as well as to have greatly reduced noise, in a setup that’s both reliable and performs long term. AIO solutions typically use lines that are very thin/restrictive, employ sub-par materials and make use of lower quality internal components in order to maximize profits. They also tend to use aluminum instead of copper in their heat sinks/radiators to further reduce costs, and end up not really cooling all that more effectively than a middle of the road fan/air setup.

If you are going to water cool, my take has always been to do it properly with a custom loop that includes a quality pump, rad and block. Something that can be easily serviced and will hold up a long time.
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Many AIO run for years with out issues?

Sure the cheap ones are that, cheap, Lian-Li, 5 year warranty and I just had the pump start to make a sound of my original Galahad AIO i bought 4 years ago, they shipped me an entire rad/pump replacement in 2 weeks.....

Air cooling certainly did hit a point where it could keep up with most WC rigs, if you were not pushing your rig far, but having an AIO works and can remove heat quicker than air, if set up properly in your case.
 
Supercharged_Z06 said:
I’ve never liked AIO cooling solutions. The whole idea behind water cooling is to gain cooling efficiencies that are much higher than what can be had via air cooling, as well as to have greatly reduced noise, in a setup that’s both reliable and performs long term. AIO solutions typically use lines that are very thin/restrictive, employ sub-par materials and make use of lower quality internal components in order to maximize profits. They also tend to use aluminum instead of copper in their heat sinks/radiators to further reduce costs, and end up not really cooling all that more effectively than a middle of the road fan/air setup.

If you are going to water cool, my take has always been to do it properly with a custom loop that includes a quality pump, rad and block. Something that can be easily serviced and will hold up a long time.
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AIO are a middle ground between a full custom loop and running on air. Not everyone wants to fiddle with building a custom loop and AIOs are a good alternative if you don't mind a bit more noise. The main downside to the AIOs is that they can't be scaled to have larger or more radiators or better water blocks. They are still great for a lot of people though, and IMO a better solution than air cooling. I personally prefer custom loops with much more radiator capacity than you get on a 360 AIO, but I would recommend going with an AIO for most people as it gets the job done well enough for them. Most AIOs run fine for many years, before they need to be swapped out and are fairly cheap and fast to replace.

There are cooling advantages to custom loops, but real world gains on mainstream CPUs are moderate, outside of lower noise. With a CPU at around 150w you will most likely see a 3-5 degree difference between a good 360 aio and a good 360 custom loop when both are running the same fans, noise is setup to be at 35dbA and system in thermal equilibrium. High end air cooling would probably be 3-6degrees or so worse than the AIO under the same conditions. Most of the advantage for the custom loop would come from the much higher quality cold plate, allowing for faster transfer of heat from the CPU to the water. The higher quality radiator would make more of an impact if you reduce the noise levels to 30dbA, but my experience is that most people don't mind their PC to be quite audible, as long as it doesn't reach loud levels.
 
Supercharged_Z06 said:
I’ve never liked AIO cooling solutions. The whole idea behind water cooling is to gain cooling efficiencies that are much higher than what can be had via air cooling, as well as to have greatly reduced noise, in a setup that’s both reliable and performs long term. AIO solutions typically use lines that are very thin/restrictive, employ sub-par materials and make use of lower quality internal components in order to maximize profits. They also tend to use aluminum instead of copper in their heat sinks/radiators to further reduce costs, and end up not really cooling all that more effectively than a middle of the road fan/air setup.

If you are going to water cool, my take has always been to do it properly with a custom loop that includes a quality pump, rad and block. Something that can be easily serviced and will hold up a long time.
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You are probably thinking of the older days.

When I saw Thermalright fully commit, I figured it would be a good time to try. Considering a 360 was about the same price as an air cooler. Even back then their AIO slaughtered their air coolers. Now I am running their newest gen AIO that has a damn near silent pump, and I can put whatever kind of fans I want on the rad. Right now I feel I am running the best blend of noise/ performance.. keeping in mind that my tower sits 8 feet in front of me next to my tv.. and my fans are at full speed lol. I have all kinds of high performance fans, but just running Thermalrights right now.
 
All valid observations - guess I haven’t looked into some of the better, higher end AIO options in recent years. I get the convenience, especially for someone unfamiliar with or daunted by having to assemble all the components for a custom loop.
 
bluestang said:
420 or go home!
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Nahh... :D

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I quit using my 120x38s a few years ago. I still have them though..

FWIW my CPU gets as good temps or better than guys with a loop 🤘

And this thing is far from stock in terms of clocks and power.
 
Strange bird said:
you just advised not 240 aio
I got so excited about AIO water cooling and in the end there are more reasons to be against it... I'll probably set the CPU to 3.86GHz and that's it, the Noctua junk will then be able to cool it down.
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I think its still fine to get an AIO for aesthetic and space reasons.

I get so frustrated anytime I need to tweak something on my computer and I have that giant tower cooler in the way of everything. It is miserable to work around. Pulling the motherboard out is also a hassle. Everytime I open the thing up I wish I just bought an AIO. I move the PC a lot though so I was concerned about how an AIO would handle that sort of strain vs a tower. Last thing I want is the thing popping a leak in a car ride.

Air cooling makes more sense from a cost + maintenance perspective (assuming you don't plan on tweaking your computer after the fact -.-) but AIOs are so cheap now I can justify the cost personally. Realizing my time has value, would have been happier grabbing an AIO so I didn't spend an hour trying to connect fan headers under my tower
 
doyll said:
Nothing new or interesting.
Bottom spacing on rad you posted is restricting airflow to rad.

Mounting radiator in case as exhaust is actually beneficial to case cooling because it pulls air in and thru case to exhaust out thru radiator.
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This is very innovative, for 161 euros (in a few days they raised the price to 171) you also get a 360mm aio cooling. You have perfect flow. I just don't know what the quality of that deepcool is and what about the spare parts/replacement if/when the aio breaks. It's a Chinese case and they usually have thin and weak sheet metal and the quality and control is sometimes bad.
 
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