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You should see the board that facilitates the CPU upgrade.... the fuck? I thought I knew most of the whack shit that came out in that era.
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You should see the board that facilitates the CPU upgrade.... the fuck? I thought I knew most of the whack shit that came out in that era.
With retrocomputing, it is the journey that counts more than the destination....You want to use old hardware that requires more power, but have a graphics card that uses less power? Why????????????????????????
Look, I understand the nostalgia. You want the satisfaction of having an older machine to show off. I get it. But just let it go. We all built those old machines. They were good while they were "new". Let them go. You can do what you want to do on a modern machine and have the power requirements you seek. Its ok to have a modern machine. We all believe you are "old school".
I did this years ago, I thought it would be fun. It turned into a nightmare, having to track down drivers, search for compatible components / cables, ect...
You know where that retro build is right now after all that work? Its been sitting in my closet for 2 years.
This is overall a bit of a silly endeavor, since there wasn't THAT much special about the S939 era, but whatever - I built an X99 system a month ago that has turned into a NAS, but it was fun to build anyway. It's something to do, it provides some entertainment, it's pretty damned cheap overall (compared to the X299 or TRX40 systems I built recently), and why not? It's something to do. Heck, I suspect you could pull this off for the cost of either of the two CPUs I bought this year.Blah blah blah, why do people build toys...ect. I get it. If you're an adult and build model airplanes, lego structures or anything that a child does. You are a child.
Do adult things, like building something useful. Something that can be passed down to your kid, if you've taken the time out of your lego building schedule to have one. Something of worth. Not some old piece of junk computer that only makes you happy and will be in the garbage heap when you're dead.
You should see the board that facilitates the CPU upgrade.
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I take it you couldn't run both processors and both sets of RAM... That would have been a pretty cool looking machine.You should see the board that facilitates the CPU upgrade.
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Nope - reviews made it REALLY clear not to tryI take it you couldn't run both processors and both sets of RAM... That would have been a pretty cool looking machine.
Nope - reviews made it REALLY clear not to try
A wise man once said that. I forgot his name...With retrocomputing, it is the journey that counts more than the destination.
Used to have this exact same motherboard back in the late 1990s, and threw it out in the mid 2000s since it was 'too old'...You want a similar old school board, enter the tyan trinity
https://hothardware.com/reviews/tyans-s1854-trinity-400
Could use either a slot 1 or socket 370 P3. Glad I own this as they are super rare.
IDK, that would be a funny looking hardline loop with a GPU right below it ....It would be pretty hard to do that anyway since the expansion one sits partially over the on board socket.
That is wholly unnecessary unless the want for retro GPUs is present.You will probably run into driver issues. They don't make official drivers for newer graphics cards for windows 7 or older.
Stick with somthing to that Era. Like a GTX 9800 or 8800.
I get what you are saying, but a lot of this is more than just "playing with toys".Blah blah blah, why do people build toys...ect. I get it. If you're an adult and build model airplanes, lego structures or anything that a child does. You are a child.
Do adult things, like building something useful. Something that can be passed down to your kid, if you've taken the time out of your lego building schedule to have one. Something of worth. Not some old piece of junk computer that only makes you happy and will be in the garbage heap when you're dead.
With retrocomputing, it is the journey that counts more than the destination.
I still have plenty of folks running mainframes. Fuck modernizing some of that - it'll never happen.I recently tried to explain to an IT "Expert" what VMS was and why it would cost tens of millions to modernize.
Might want to read the post I made right above yours.True, but unless your retro rig is actually a retro rig with a retro OS running retro APIs and retro games, you get to that destination wondering why you wasted your life building out the utterly useless contraption.
Exactly, case in point:I still have plenty of folks running mainframes. Fuck modernizing some of that - it'll never happen.
Might want to read the post I made right above yours.
Also, who says retro and legacy equipment has to run their contemporary operating systems, firmware, and software, and not something modern for further problem solving and solution engineering?
Depends on the equipment, and if you feel your life has been wasted doing so, then don't do it.
Others find massive fulfillment in doing so, and much of this old equipment is hardly useless - if you truly believe that, you still have much to learn.
Depends on the game, software, platform, etc.Because the point of retro is to run the older hardware that’s only supported by older operating systems so you can play the older games that use those older APIs.
A modern os on old hardware isn’t retro. It’s just old and slow.
That's a really broad statement that isn't really true, depending on the game, platform, emulation, and/or if it has been ported.And older game that will run on it will also run on the computer in your Sig.
Totally agree. But we are talking socket 939; it’s not really all that special. First gen PCIE and the like, not AGP or ISA. But more power to yaDepends on the game, software, platform, etc.
If all you are focusing on is x86 and games, sure, but there is a whole world beyond that.
For me, retro gaming isn't really important, and what I do with legacy equipment essentially either cannot be done on modern systems, or can only be done with partial functionality and/or support; retrocomputing is more than playing old games, just FYI.
If you think your modern x86-64 PC and peripherals are capable of everything older x86 and non-x86 equipment was capable of, regardless of OS, equipment, software, etc. - even with emulation - you are in for an eye opening experience.
That's a really broad statement that isn't really true, depending on the game, platform, emulation, and/or if it has been ported.
No, not all older games (assuming you mean x86 PC games) will run on modern x86-64 hardware, let alone non-x86 games.
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Anything past Haswell has the A20 line removed, which kills a lot of backwards compatibility.Totally agree. But we are talking socket 939; it’s not really all that special. First gen PCIE and the like, not AGP or ISA. But more power to ya
Roll back to something that had PCI at least though; coppermine, Barton, etc. getting some of those os to run on 939 is a painAnything past Haswell has the A20 line removed, which kills a lot of backwards compatibility.
Using an older system allows for games/software/OSes to be used natively without emulation or DOSBox.
The battle is half the fun!Roll back to something that had PCI at least though; coppermine, Barton, etc. getting some of those os to run on 939 is a pain
There are people that have Win98SE running on at least 7th gen Core-i stuff.
It isn't that hard to get it running on newer systems... it is just the fact that some stuff won't work because there is no driver support.
On the Intel side of things, the newest chipset with full Win98SE support is the i865G if I remember correctly. I have a system like that running Windows 98SE with a Core 2 Extreme x6800 because it was the CPU I could get to clock the highest on stock CPU voltage and get past the CPU bottleneck of a Geforce FX 5950 Ultra.... which incidentally is at 3.2-3.3Ghz which is magnitudes faster than what was available at the time the FX 5950 Ultra was released.
And to top it off, you can get industrial setups that have AGP/PCI/ISA (with DMA support) on that platform. The setup I put together for testing is running a S478 CPU board with a Pentium 4 Extreme Edition (Gallatin).
I have been unable to procure the ultra rare S775 CPU board for this type of setup. It is not even clear if it supports anything past a Pentium 4 though as the original specs only show it supporting Pentium 4 and Celeron D. Would love to get that CPU board and see if it would run a C2D or even a Pentium D.
Oh this world I’ve played in. Hell, I had a Sparcbook!!!Just remember, that is Windows, and there are a whole slew of other operating systems, and ISAs, outside of Windows and x86.
There is a whole world of computing outside of WIntel.
Nice, I've never had the pleasure of doing so, so I'm a bit jealous.Oh this world I’ve played in. Hell, I had a Sparcbook!!!
Depends on the game, software, platform, etc.
If all you are focusing on is x86 and games, sure, but there is a whole world beyond that.
For me, retro gaming isn't really important, and what I do with legacy equipment essentially either cannot be done on modern systems, or can only be done with partial functionality and/or support; retrocomputing is more than playing old games, just FYI.
If you think your modern x86-64 PC and peripherals are capable of everything older x86 and non-x86 equipment was capable of, regardless of OS, equipment, software, etc. - even with emulation - you are in for an eye opening experience.
That's a really broad statement that isn't really true, depending on the game, platform, emulation, and/or if it has been ported.
No, not all older games (assuming you mean x86 PC games) will run on modern x86-64 hardware, let alone non-x86 games.
X58 runs pretty much anything in my experience. I've used PCIe 1.0 cards through RTX cards with mine, the only time in throws a fit is when I tried old dual GPU cards - maybe due to the PLX chip not liking bios settings or my mess of PCIe cards plugged into that system. In any case, X58 is still very usable despite it's age.So, title says, im pulling my 939 system out of the closet and trying to find a way to make it work.
I've also gotten. My hands on a MSI x58m.
I'd love to max out the 939 system and run older games on it. But I'm pretty sure there's a point where new GPUs aren't comaptible. I just don't know where the cut off is.
Same for x58.. I was considering grabbing a 1650 low profile for that setup if things work out.
If you ever feel the need to get rid of it let me know, I was hunting one of these in the past and could find the motherboards but not the upgrade board.I have a boxed one of those upgrade board and a S754 and a S939 board that takes that upgrade card.
I'd second that, Socket A is my go-to for retro PCs they work great for everything in the PCI / AGP eras.Roll back to something that had PCI at least though; coppermine, Barton, etc. getting some of those os to run on 939 is a pain
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I simply can't understand why anyone would do this. If we are talking about i486 and early Pentium hardware, then whatever. You want to play your old 3DFX Glide games, sure. But, socket 939 is just old. X58, is just old. I see no benefit to running something like that over a more modern system. Especially when you can make your older games work on newer hardware. We aren't talking about the type of experiences you got on CRT monitors and related systems. We are talking about something that still utilizes PCI-Express and supports relatively modern features.
Go to the club? lol... sounds SO exciting... Maybe back when the 'clubs' had live music and a community of people that didn't spend the entire night looking at their phones. Now days, around here anyways, it's just pathetic drunks that don't know how to communicate with each other.Yeah, what i don't understand is the notion of
"I want to build a retro pc but I want to max it out"
What the hell is the point of maxing it out? Maybe you should just go to the club or something.
-drunken billy friday
Now, this is fun information here... maybe I'll go hunting later as well!There are people that have Win98SE running on at least 7th gen Core-i stuff.
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It isn't that hard to get it running on newer systems... it is just the fact that some stuff won't work because there is no driver support.
On the Intel side of things, the newest chipset with full Win98SE support is the i865G if I remember correctly. I have a system like that running Windows 98SE with a Core 2 Extreme x6800 because it was the CPU I could get to clock the highest on stock CPU voltage and get past the CPU bottleneck of a Geforce FX 5950 Ultra.... which incidentally is at 3.2-3.3Ghz which is magnitudes faster than what was available at the time the FX 5950 Ultra was released.
And to top it off, you can get industrial setups that have AGP/PCI/ISA (with DMA support) on that platform. The setup I put together for testing is running a S478 CPU board with a Pentium 4 Extreme Edition (Gallatin).
I have been unable to procure the ultra rare S775 CPU board for this type of setup. It is not even clear if it supports anything past a Pentium 4 though as the original specs only show it supporting Pentium 4 and Celeron D. Would love to get that CPU board and see if it would run a C2D or even a Pentium D.
Does that count for Devils Canyon too? Currently sitting on a 4790k lol.Anything past Haswell has the A20 line removed, which kills a lot of backwards compatibility.
Using an older system allows for games/software/OSes to be used natively without emulation or DOSBox.
I am using my old GTX285 in my Retro XP machine I slapped together a couple of years ago.I'm like 99% sure I've used my RTX 3090 on my x58 boards with no issues. You could also pick up a GTX 285 for like 20 dollars if you don't need DX11 support.
Reminds of of the stuff we had back in the 80's and 90's with our Amiga's. CPU cards were really common back then for the Amiga.You should see the board that facilitates the CPU upgrade.
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