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Question for the gamers

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Boostage

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I Have been browsing here for a few months and just recently registered, one topic that popped up alot over the months is "build now or wait for Nehalem?" another is "Should I upgrade my C2D{insert model} to a Quad xyz model"

There are people with good 45nm chips running over 4ghz which is overkill for their games when coupled with anything equal or above a year old 8800Gt. I see peoples sigs and they have impressive hardware. so what exactly drives you to sell great parts at a loss, just to "upgrade" to a part that will not offer any noticeable benefit in actual games? even users with slightly older 65nm chips are well equipped for current and foreseeable future titles.

I myself am a gamer. and believe me I will gladly take a depreciated 2 month old e8400 from someone who is trying to get into a q9xxx or core i7 for their new gaming machine. but I just would like to know why go through all the time an money for no actual gain?
 
Because it's the [H]. Because it's not just about having something sufficient, it's about having something that's more than enough and pushing it that much harder. You've found a population where some will buy $1700 worth of graphics cards on launch day, strip off the heatsinks, mount waterblocks on them and overclock them five minutes after the machine boots the first time. Good enough isn't good enough.
 
silent-circuit said:
Because it's the [H]. Because it's not just about having something sufficient, it's about having something that's more than enough and pushing it that much harder. You've found a population where some will buy $1700 worth of graphics cards on launch day, strip off the heatsinks, mount waterblocks on them and overclock them five minutes after the machine boots the first time. Good enough isn't good enough.
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QFT.

In addition, many people here do not like being behind in the performance or tech curve. Yes their current CPUs will be more than enough for their needs and games but the fact that a newer and supposedly faster CPU is out does gnaw at many people. So that drives many to upgrade: The need to always have the fastest CPU possible and to be right there on the bleeding edge of technology.
 
Why buy a M3 when a regular 335 is already too fast for speed limits? Why a SS and not just a LT? Nothing will ever be good enough (cept for fckin' tree fuggers) - egos, greed, impulse, temptation.. not about hardware, it's about our basic human flaws;)
 
lowteckh said:
Why buy a M3 when a regular 335 is already too fast for speed limits? Why a SS and not just a LT? Nothing will ever be good enough (cept for fckin' tree fuggers) - egos, greed, impulse, temptation.. not about hardware, it's about our basic human flaws;)
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I am actually a car guy also and I'm glad you said this. as there is NO difference between an LT1 and an SS except cosmetic ( Ram Air Hood and stripes badge etc) but you pay $5k to 6k more for it. Owning an SS seems to be more about showing off.

Why buy an M3 when the regular 335 is already too fast? why buy an m3 when it rains every single day in your city and there are potholes every 60 feet? You will never get the performance over the 335.
 
silent-circuit said:
Because it's the [H]. Because it's not just about having something sufficient, it's about having something that's more than enough and pushing it that much harder. You've found a population where some will buy $1700 worth of graphics cards on launch day, strip off the heatsinks, mount waterblocks on them and overclock them five minutes after the machine boots the first time. Good enough isn't good enough.
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This is what happens when you stumble on a hobby forum. People go well above and beyond what they actually "need" to run what applications and games they are using today. Furthermore, many people try to "future-proof" to some degree by gambling on the direction the software industry is going to take (i.e. multi-threading). A single core might have ruled the gaming roost for a while, but with lots of games being at least dual-core capable nowadays a fast dual often does a gamer good. No one would talk about single cores anymore. Of course the debate has moved to "dual vs. quad" and the same principle (in my opinion) holds: I'll take the slower quad over the faster dual.

But some people just like clock speeds (like 4GHz) which are damn near impossible on a quad without some kind of extreme cooling setup, beyond water, like phase (and also a hell of a chip). Others like to Fold, still others like benchmarking and producing the fastest SuperPi time or highest 3DMark score.

From an economic perspective, it's the "non-use value," the happiness that comes with having it that drives some people to build such ridiculous machines, like the desktop rig in my sig, I use it for 80% web browsing, 10% CAD, 5% movies and 5% games, but it's built to beat the pants off almost any game despite the fact that it is used for other, less-intense tasks a vast majority of the time (I do Fold with it though).
 
I can do 4ghz on my q6600 on just water :p But i got 1 hell of a chip. Also, if you think its bad here, go check out the xstreme forums. Those guys change parts like i change underwear.
 
Boostage said:
I am actually a car guy also and I'm glad you said this. as there is NO difference between an LT1 and an SS except cosmetic ( Ram Air Hood and stripes badge etc) but you pay $5k to 6k more for it. Owning an SS seems to be more about showing off.

Why buy an M3 when the regular 335 is already too fast? why buy an m3 when it rains every single day in your city and there are potholes every 60 feet? You will never get the performance over the 335.
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But htat doesn't apply to every car. My Z06 makes my penis |................................| that much bigger than a regular corvette. Same with a ACR viper vs a regular viper.

Come on, use good cars as a comparison, not a Z28 vs an SS camaro ;)
 
just like viagra is to an 80 yr old that cant get a hard one anymore... this is what i7 will mean to geeks (geek is not used in a bad way here) it will make their e-penis grow real
[H]ard!!
and to be honest with you..MOST of us won't have a use for i7 ..but who cares? 3mark scores will go higher,world records will be broken, super pi will get done in less time.. after all, ain't those the true applications that these chips are designed for?:rolleyes: and besides...how cool would it be to have an i7 paired with an x58 posted in your sig? w0000t !!
 
One of the main draws about the x58 though is the ability to use SLI without having to buy an nvidia board. So depending on which way the graphics market swings, you can switch from crossfire to sli without switching boards.
 
Does it bother anyone else that "gamer" has somehow become synonymous with "hardware enthusiast" when the two really aren't the same?

...probably just me. ><
 
Boostage said:
I Have been browsing here for a few months and just recently registered, one topic that popped up alot over the months is "build now or wait for Nehalem?" another is "Should I upgrade my C2D{insert model} to a Quad xyz model"

There are people with good 45nm chips running over 4ghz which is overkill for their games when coupled with anything equal or above a year old 8800Gt. I see peoples sigs and they have impressive hardware. so what exactly drives you to sell great parts at a loss, just to "upgrade" to a part that will not offer any noticeable benefit in actual games? even users with slightly older 65nm chips are well equipped for current and foreseeable future titles.

I myself am a gamer. and believe me I will gladly take a depreciated 2 month old e8400 from someone who is trying to get into a q9xxx or core i7 for their new gaming machine. but I just would like to know why go through all the time an money for no actual gain?
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I'm right there with you. I suppose it's preference. Alot of people like upgrading their hardware more than actually using their hardware. At the end of the day though, I don't think most of those people (if any at all) will actually try to justify their upgrades by saying it's necessary. At least not if they know what they're talking about.
 
jimbo6846 said:
I'm right there with you. I suppose it's preference. Alot of people like upgrading their hardware more than actually using their hardware. At the end of the day though, I don't think most of those people (if any at all) will actually try to justify their upgrades by saying it's necessary. At least not if they know what they're talking about.
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Haha so fucking true. I haven't used my 4850 crossfire + 4GHz e8400 for anything but warcraft 3. I don't really like the whole overclocking process that eats up so much time, but damn, that extra couple MHz is just so tempting.
 
My name is flogge and I am a [H]ardware enthusiast.........../all: Hi, flogge.
I was clean for 5 years and satisfied with my P4, but now I want a core i7 rig. I already bought a case and 1 kW PSU even though I don't plan on building until Christmas vacation. With luck I'll have 3 or 4 video cards folding in it. Then I can start thinking about water cooling.

It's fun to plan a build, get all the shiny new parts and put them together, then overclock until you can't drag one more ounce of performance out of it, then go post on the forum and browse the intarweb for other rigs like mine. I'll probably play a game a few days later if I feel like it. I'm not much of a benchmark junky but I love to see the folding points pile up. Cheers
 
flogge said:
My name is flogge and I am a [H]ardware enthusiast.........../all: Hi, flogge.
I was clean for 5 years and satisfied with my P4, but now I want a core i7 rig. I already bought a case and 1 kW PSU even though I don't plan on building until Christmas vacation. With luck I'll have 3 or 4 video cards folding in it. Then I can start thinking about water cooling.

It's fun to plan a build, get all the shiny new parts and put them together, then overclock until you can't drag one more ounce of performance out of it, then go post on the forum and browse the intarweb for other rigs like mine. I'll probably play a game a few days later if I feel like it. I'm not much of a benchmark junky but I love to see the folding points pile up. Cheers
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i know of a saying,that if i traduce it in the exact same words into english, it goes like "every bread with it's cheese" .. this means that EVERY single person is different..to each their own..
 
I try to invest in things that will last a while, like my SAS drives, or my 1k power supply, everything else is outdated before you know it.
 
Great thread. I'm having this problem of what to do with older hardware, too. In the past, I'd do a build a year, maybe twice - so old computer would go to wife, wifes would go to mom/brother/sister, whoever was falling behind on technology. Worked well, even my two year old [H]ardware was still great for family members. Lately, upgrades come faster and I get a backlog of stuff and seriously, I've distributed five dual core systems to siblings + mom in the last 18 months, the slowest being an e2180 at 3.0ghz, so no place to go with the old hardware really, except sell at a bit of a loss.

Really, it's not a loss, it's just entertainment. If you look at what some guys spend on cars or golf or going to football games, I probably spend less on computer hardware. $300 for a Q6600 a year ago, sell for $150 - that's pretty cheap entertainment compared to other things. Putting them together is fun, configuring software and benchmarking is fun... scary that I probably enjoy building a gaming computer more than actually playing games once it's all done. I'm not seriously [H] though, my target CPU price is usually the sweet spot at the moment - so like a Q6600 when they hit $300 last year, or an E8400 for $150 - got an "Extreme" processor for over $1000 years ago (Pentium Pro 200 Mhz + Intel Venus MB FTW!!!!) and realized that was stupid - although I got like 5 years out of that build.
 
Great thread. I'm having this problem of what to do with older hardware, too. In the past, I'd do a build a year, maybe twice - so old computer would go to wife, wifes would go to mom/brother/sister, whoever was falling behind on technology. Worked well, even my two year old [H]ardware was still great for family members. Lately, upgrades come faster and I get a backlog of stuff and seriously, I've distributed five dual core systems to siblings + mom in the last 18 months, the slowest being an e2180 at 3.0ghz, so no place to go with the old hardware really, except sell at a bit of a loss.

Really, it's not a loss, it's just entertainment. If you look at what some guys spend on cars or golf or going to football games, I probably spend less on computer hardware. $300 for a Q6600 a year ago, sell for $150 - that's pretty cheap entertainment compared to other things. Putting them together is fun, configuring software and benchmarking is fun... scary that I probably enjoy building a gaming computer more than actually playing games once it's all done. I'm not seriously [H] though, my target CPU price is usually the sweet spot at the moment - so like a Q6600 when they hit $300 last year, or an E8400 for $150 - got an "Extreme" processor for over $1000 years ago (Pentium Pro 200 Mhz + Intel Venus MB FTW!!!!) and realized that was stupid - although I got like 5 years out of that build.
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The [H]orde calls upon you to put those extra CPUs to work, that is unless this is you:

 
Everyone has a hobby of some sort or another. For some, its staying on the cutting edge of things if they see a 1-2% performance gain. Everything can be bottled into a few categories: Run of the Mill, Ground breaking, Earth Shattering :)

People on HF fit all of these categories. Some guy might be buying the hotteset thing because of performance benefits, another might be doing so because image quality is superior (some guys run terrabyte media servers, and want the absolute best IQ for their $). Its all relative to you though. You benefit from their desire to constantly upgrade, so the trickle down effect keeps you upgrading at a lesser cost than normal, and it helps you.

I realize you're not complaining about it. You just can't see yourself on that same cusp of cutting edge as some of these guys are, and thats fine, your role fills the void that allows them to continue their torrid pace of upgrades, so you both benefit :)
 
Yep, working on and upgrading parts is a hobby. I spend more on alcohol than i do computer parts. If you upgrade often enough, you only lose a few bucks here and there on the parts you replace when you sell them. Ebay is a wonderful thing.
 
flogge said:
The [H]orde calls upon you to put those extra CPUs to work, that is unless this is you:

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:p That's me. :D

Currently folding on two Q6600's + a few 8800 GPUs. The only problem is the electric bill.:eek:
 
I've already had many hours of enjoyment planning my future build. There is much more fun to be had reading reviews and forums before I buy any more parts. Plus I am going to try and get my cousin, age 10 to help me and maybe give him a new hobby, too. Gotta get em young.
 
This is particularly relevant to Core i7, from the benchmarks we've seen - it doesn't appear to be any better clock-for-clock for games, and possibly worse. There are significant benefits to be had, but only in highly-multithreaded applications.

Sure, it's newer, and has more theoretical power than Core 2, but for some applications it might even be a downgrade.
 
I have stopped thinking about what is coming and just build when I need to. If I wait until the newest thing comes out I find myself never doing anything since there is always some thing better coming out.
 
SGD said:
I have stopped thinking about what is coming and just build when I need to. If I wait until the newest thing comes out I find myself never doing anything since there is always some thing better coming out.
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True and I agree and do the same. But at the same time, it's good to keep track of what's coming (especially upcomning price cuts). Sure the prices will always drop, but if Intel has a planned price drop on the 20th, it sure would suck to buy on the 19th. :(
 
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