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q6600 is good for now and for the coming 2 years at least
No, No, No, and No. Only upgrade you need to be concerned about is your GPU. Why waste $400-500 for an i7/x58/ mobo when you can buy two 5850s and own all the i7 noobs who only have one 5850 because they spent too much on their cpu.![]()
Not for my purposes it isn't....
i7 obliterates a Q6600 or any Core2 based system in RAM latency, throughput, and calculations.
An i7-920 at 2.66Ghz is faster that a Q6600 running at 3.84Ghz... and even then, the i7 blows the overclocked Q6600 away in RAM throughput.
And your purposes are running memory benchmarks? Certainly seems that way based on the rest of your post.
i7 920 is certainly better than a Q6600, no if's and's or buts about it, but lets not make it something that it isn't. The fact is, a stock 920 has a hard time keeping up with a 3.2GHz Core 2 Quad, in several applications. Much less one running at 3.84GHz
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3448&p=16
i7 obliterates a Q6600 or any Core2 based system in RAM latency, throughput, and calculations.
Oh yeah.. and even in WoW, my CPU usage with the Q6600 @3.84Ghz was 35-40% in Dalaran... with the i7-920 @2.66Ghz, the CPU usage went down to 20-25%. It also ran a lot smoother due to each core being able to handle a lot more since WoW has a thread that does a lot more stuff than the other threads.
The Athlon 64 X2 processors had significantly more memory bandwidth than the Core2 Duo processors when they were released but that didn't stop the Athlons from getting dominated when it came to real game performance. In addition it's already been shown on multiple websites that the difference between Triple-channel DDR3 (like on the i7-920) compared to Dual-channel DDR3 (like on the i7-860) is extremely minimal.
So yeah, grats on high scores in artificial benchmarks or whatever random number theory app you are apparently running. Do you think that represents typical usage around here, as opposed to stuff like gaming?
Getting a bit tired of people who bought an i7 coming on here and spreading a bunch of BS about how great their chip is, like it's some huge computing revolution on par with the transition from P4 to Core2 Duo. Like others have said, it is what it is, and it's damn fast, but there is no point trying to paint is as something it's not. Certainly this is not the first time people have dropped tons of cash on something and then felt the need to justify their purchase by constantly talking about how great it is.
i7-920 has 8 virtual cores when you take hyperthreading into account. That is going to change the percentage representation of CPU usage. 25% CPU usage on an i7 would likely represent full utilization of two cores, similar to 50% on a Core2Quad.
I recently built my friend a new rig with an i7-920 at 4Ghz and a 4870x2, and CPU usage in Dalaran was just as high as it was with my Core2Quad in terms of the number of cores used and the degree to which those cores were being utilized (usually about one and a half cores in WoW).
Some people would think that it is worth it to spend a big amout of money to gain a little bit more speed, that's why you will see that some people will have a PhysX card or a Killer NIC or both in their rig...
Having just upgraded from a Q6600, I have to say the i7 920 feels quite a bit snappier. I hadn't planned on upgradinng yet, but my poor badaxe 2 finally gave up the ghost, and I figured if i'm going to upgrade why not go whole hog?
First thing's first, it is faster than a Q6600, even stock it was snappier doing piddly stuff and in heavier apps like CS4. The *imo* big thing is how much easier it is to hit bigger overclocks. I'm running it at 4ghz on air now. Fastest I ever had my q6600 stable was 3.75-3.8ghz. and that was with waaay too much vcore and temps that were right on the edge. A warm day would push it over the edge. By contrast, I literally spent 10 min. getting this 920 to 4ghz, and I might have room to go higher. My load temps with prime 95 are mid-high 60's, and if I add another fan to my megahalems and sort out my case airflow I aught to be able to shave a few degrees off the load temp.
Is it a "must" upgrade like 939-c2q? nope. Is it at least a little faster in everything I've tried? Yep.
My cost was $185. Did this at the end of the summer...... Q6600 -> i7 to me just seems a side-ways upgrade and then head north. You gained some performance, but at what cost?
Well, despite what I said in my previous post (having built a C2Q rig in May), I wouldn't upgrade to a C2Q or s775-anything right now unless you're getting used parts or getting it for a steal... Considering the price of i5/P55 is barely any higher, but C2Q systems definitely have plenty of life left in 'em still.
LOL
That made my day, it's almost sig material. Poor guy, you'd figure he would sell those off and get a 50 dollar discount on an alright 24".
Is this a reference to a famous post on [H]?
i7 920 / BFG 285GTX / 2 x 21" CRT
P6T Deluxe OC Palm / 12 GB DDR3
X-Fi Ti Camp / Gigaworks S750
PhysX P1 PCI-E / Killer NiC M1
2x80GB(RAID 0) / 2x1TB
PC - XP Pro 32bit/Vista Ultimate x64/Windows 7 Ultimate x64
Dell D630 - Windows 7 Buisness x64 / PC-BSD 7.1
ATECH got banned? lol... What was the reason?
Getting a bit tired of people who bought an i7 coming on here and spreading a bunch of BS about how great their chip is, like it's some huge computing revolution on par with the transition from P4 to Core2 Duo. Like others have said, it is what it is, and it's damn fast, but there is no point trying to paint is as something it's not. Certainly this is not the first time people have dropped tons of cash on something and then felt the need to justify their purchase by constantly talking about how great it is.
He was a huge jerk and finally got what was coming to him. (I don't even know)
I don't think C2Q to i5/i7 is as much of a lateral move as many of you make it... And I built my C2Q rig in May, not a year or two ago as many of you have, so I'm hardly biased.
I just think we're at a point in time where processors are literally "fast enough" for a good majority of tasks, and unless you're undertaking certain specific tasks (video encoding, etc.) that benefit greatly from a new architecture on a daily basis, then the upgrade is just not worth it to you. At 'least not until games become much more threaded and the performance gap in general widens. For other people it's a very substantial upgrade tho.
There's also other upgrades that will yield a better bang for the buck, next gen video cards (as usual), or even something like an SSD. I only went w/a C2Q setup in May because I couldn't wait any longer and the i5 launch was still rather murky, i7 would've cost me $250+ more (X58 mobos were still pricey) and I figured I'd rather spend that money on an SSD a few months down the road (which I did, in Sept.). I also don't live anywhere near a MC.![]()
I am still reluctant to dive in on a SSD, but that seems like the weakest link in my system at this point as far as snappiness is concerned.
...Getting a bit tired of people who bought an i7 coming on here and spreading a bunch of BS about how great their chip is, like it's some huge computing revolution on par with the transition from P4 to Core2 Duo. Like others have said, it is what it is, and it's damn fast, but there is no point trying to paint is as something it's not. Certainly this is not the first time people have dropped tons of cash on something and then felt the need to justify their purchase by constantly talking about how great it is...
More and more I am looking at the CPU load indicators versus my harddrive load indicators. My 4 cores are hardly doing anything but the computer is crawling as the harddrive light is solid and it's struggling. Harddrives are the bottleneck.
SSD really is the answer.
I'd even say that the video cards have hit that "fast enough" point as well. 5 years ago you COULD NOT hope to play brand new games at max settings and huge resolutions on a $150 video card like you can today. Anybody with a 4870/260 or better is pretty set, and those cards fall into a price range that didn't cut it years ago. I've never owned a CPU like the Q6600. I've had it for two and a half years and I have not even considered upgrading yet.
I am still reluctant to dive in on a SSD, but that seems like the weakest link in my system at this point as far as snappiness is concerned.
SSD is going to be my next upgrade as well, along with a fresh insteall of Win7. Just waiting for prices to come down a bit and reliability and capacity to go up and firmware bugs to be addressed. As of now, i'm still seeing and reading too many horror stories of the drives just dying shortly after being installed.
Finally. He was a huge prick.
SSD is going to be my next upgrade as well, along with a fresh insteall of Win7. Just waiting for prices to come down a bit and reliability and capacity to go up and firmware bugs to be addressed. As of now, i'm still seeing and reading too many horror stories of the drives just dying shortly after being installed.
Eh, if you start messing around w/fresh firmwares w/o doing your research that's possible... But the same is true of mobos/BIOS and GPUs/firmware tbh. Reliability is where it needs to be imo, availability and pricing is the biggest issue right now, and pricing would probably be on the verge of blowing up if the X25-M drives weren't so scarce (which in turn means Indillix drive prices haven't changed in 6 months despite the X25-M G2 launch).