Pure UNIX and how to get it as well is it legacy and if so what's happened to it?

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  1. scharfshutze009

    scharfshutze009 [H]ard|Gawd

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    I know Dennis Ritchie died and maybe some of the others responsible for the UNIX Operating System, but what happened to True UNIX that I don't or can't figure out how to get a copy of it somehow ethically of course or find out how much it would cost to plan how to pay for it? Also, why was it such a craze in the 70's, 80's, and 90's in so many forms that I don't know about? I remember SGI and found out a few years ago about IRIX, but just recently came to relization of AIX and HP-UX a few years ago. I knew about SOLARIS because my Instructor in my UNIX/Linux classes would always talk about it and referece it, but I can't run it on my hardware because it's custom or I'm going to have a tough time because it's not an Oracle or Sun machine. Also, SGI is or did discontinue IRIX. I don't really want AIX or HP-UX and can't find prices on those either if I wanted them either. I don't know if I actually tried calling IBM or HP about pricing and not that long ago a few years back I read on HP's site that UNIX is legacy or becoming legacy.

    I vaguely remember seeing computers running it in the 80's or 90's at my dads work, which was a ford dealership as a really young child, but didn't know it or realize it might have been UNIX until I actually got to learn how to used Linux or choose to use some branch of BSD UNIX.

    How can I get Pure UNIX as in System V or whatever the last Version was, so I can see what it was like and maybe learn about it and actually experience why it may no longer be used or was discontined or died as an Operating System though. I may have asked this in the past or another thread, but I can't find it and I don't know if I got an answer if anyone knows. Also, I know it's a mainframe Operating System or was a mainframe Operating System, but I want to see if my server can run the latest version convert to C that is portable if it can and experience it. I don't want to modify it especially not without the help of the original UNIX community who knew what it should do or hack it, but study it and see where or what I can do with it if I can afford it or get it legally and figure out how to install it, like I did at least with FreeBSD and don't laugh PC-BSD that was already set to run after installation. PC-BSD is Good in terms of ease of use, but because I forgot or couldn't ffgure out how to enable myself as a sudoer in command-line or whatever I had a tough time with it. I was impressed by PC-BSD usb key feature though. However, somehow my the threads I started on FreeBSD's and PC-BSD's forums got removed, so I couldn't look up answers to question I had about how to become a sudoer either.

    I have a copy of PC-BSD though before the site shutdown or was having problems, but only up to 10.x something and I need the documentation for it as well to print it, but it's a real hassle fipping between a computer ready to connect to the internet and one that isn't anyway. I know they say BSD is true UNIX somehow, but I really want to try to see if I can experience True or Pure UNIX as in whatever it stopped at because I have a deep desire to satisfy a need to settle this somewhat curious or whatever in my mind as to what it must have been like using it or what actually happened to it?

    Also, I remember SGI being this huge craze around the time of Nintendo 64 or Ultra 64 in regards to IRIX, which I've asked about and am not inquiring about in this thread either. I don't want a mainframe like that kid or guy that got an IBM mainframe from a university and had a heck of time getting it in his parents basement or his either and if I did or wanted to make my own custom build I know I would need at least and Itanium 2 or newer that I can't afford while living in at least this apartment while receiving disability compensation and being in credit card debt from all the major purchases I made up until Spring 2016 and had to figure out how to pay it off because I was getting to far in debt and wasn't going to be able to do it again for years only paying minimum payments without working with a debt management company instead, which I am or have been since Spring of 2017 if not earlier. An expensive Operating System isn't desireble, but finding out What happened to UNIX and what it was like is to me for some reason.

    I'm using or plan to use it on a Gigabyte Socket 2011v2 board with two Xeon 2011v2's and 32 GB of DDR3 and and NIvidia Quadro 420 as my GPU, which should be plenty if it whatever the lastest Version of True or Pure UNIX doesn't require any more advanced hardware than what I've got. I'm using a 2U Supermicro case with 8 hot-swap bays and four 2 TB SSHD's two and it has an optical drive which redundant 700 watt Power Supplies I think. I had a Supermicro 4U Chassis with dual 1400 watt Power Supplies, but I couldn't safely Rackmount my Cisco Routers and Switches for Load Balancing type labs, even with what I call user a cheater u or the unmountable top of my open post frame server rack.

    I might use what I've dub my Ultimate Dual Xeon Build using an Asus Xeon 2011v3 board or Xeon Scalable or a Supermicro Xeon 2011v3 or Scalable with a Silver or Bronze processor and definitely not a $10,000 or say Xeon Scalable Platinum or somewhat lesser expensive Gold. though, which I can't find anyway. I don't think I'll use an equivalent AMD Opteron or EPIC configuration either, but AMD did have an extremely good high RAM option for the EPIC at 4 TB's though, but I probably wouldn't ever need or could afford that much RAM anyway or at least not at the moment until prices might go down. To be fair or competitive to AMD though Intel Xeon Scalable Option from Supermicro did support up to 2 TB as well, which the same situation would apply to AMD EPIC peak at 4 TB's according to Linustech tips of not needing or being able to afford it at the moment if ever. Also, Intel Xeon 2011v3 system from Supermicro can peak at up to 1.5 TB and Asus at 1 TB, but again would I ever need that much or be able to afford it and I think I plan to start with 128 GB at the most maybe for such an ambitious or hopefully capable enough system to plan and not an expensive memory kit either, which is all. Same for processors, graphics, card, and anything else needed or desired. All using a Lian-Li D8000 of course though for hopefully a true or close to mainframe experience if I need it, so I don't have to use my server and disrupt my networking lab too. Unless anyone absolutely feels I should try a possibly afford a current Itanium Solution that might still be support considering I thought I read on Intel's site if not somewhere else that Intel is or might be pulling the plug on Itanium.

    I already have the Lian-Li D8000, HD-DVD/Blu-ray Combo drives in, and memory card reader, but need the rest of the hardware to compete and want BD-XL drives if not internal tape drives instead of external. All while slowly paying off my credit cards in about 2 to 3 more years and one of them that I'm paying $250 a month to the debt management company to pay to pay off in about 5 more months, but if I stay at my apartment and continue attending the university I'm attending need to pay the interest an an insurance policy loan at least and maybe start paying interest on school loans again, which I can get out of paying back loans with student debt relief though if I have to.

    The idea to use the system that will go in the Lian-Li D8000 system steams from a long ago planned out idea for a highend workstation or graphics workstation that I decided I wanted to take on, but never finished and completes my focus on newer technology at a reasonable level and the goal was always to use the best affordable parts.
     
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  2. tbg

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    winworldpc.com has AT&T system V unix, thats probably as close as you are going to get to pure unix.
    Solaris is probably the closest modern unix to sys V, and It runs fine on real x86 hardware, in virtualbox and vmware.
    PC-BSD is now trueos, so if you want the newer version go to www.trueos.org and get it.
    irix, was mips only, dead os, dead platform, probably to much bsd mixed in anyways if you are looking for pure sys V unix.
     
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    Thanks this helps at least a little maybe and is a start. Also, didn't SGI kill IRIS around the time of recent AMD Opteron and Intel Xeon if not Itanium solutions, so why didn't it support that unless it really was only MIPS only as well as those other things. Also, TrueOS will allow me to test it easier on a desktop or laptop before the Server or highend workstation Implementation using the at the moment planned incomplete D8000 system. that I finally just recently fixed spec sheets and made spreadsheets for. And I didn't know about winworldpc.com, but I did look on www.unix.org and couldn't find how to get it though or contact the original group responsible. I believe I know that Honeywell pulled the plug on the last Multics System in 1999 though that UNIX was influenced by after Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson left the group.
     
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    Thanks again in regards to this response. I believe what I meant by what I originally said with all that text is that I have a desire to satisfy a facination with whatever possible version of Pure Unix that might have been that I saw as a child as far as System V or earlier that it might have been and how I might want to try to experience it. Judging from the size of the file though I could run it on my 486Dx266 that I just recently got a motherboard replacement for actually called or says Unisys 4666Dx2on it and I'm not making that hilarious suggestion up as to what I know the 666 part means that can be creapy or not if you know what I mean, because the orignal board had a bad trace.
     
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    Rip Sun Microsystems... A lot of military hardware is still run on your stuff though, so there is that.
     
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    Oracle or Sun Solaris gave me nothing, but problems when trying to install it and I was told on HF that it was because it requires Oracle or Solaris hardware, even if this is true and might not be able to resolve. Also, I'm not sure exactly what the error message was from that attempt either, but now I have an issue with disrupting a pretty good installation of Ubuntu Server for my networking lab meant to provide at least a tftp server for CIsco devices or just be easier to record putty output to in a rackmount solution than using a non-rackmounted computer especially without posssibly having the reliability of redundant powersupplies and just being able to move in an all in one solution somewhat regardless if I have two desk workstations using E3's now and before using i7's as well as that I can just test it on either of the two desktops too instead considering that in regards I now know I can just simply record Cisco configs straight from the Cisco devices to a text config file using Putty, which is supereasy and doesn't really require anything near what I thought I needed and either insisted or am still kind of insisting I need. However, for someone to suggest or suggesting that I could have just used a raspberry Pi to do that now frustrates me because of what I'm going through to get the one of the two Pi's I had anyway to connect to the internet just to make a honeypot or DMZ server and I don't know if it's because the time is out of sync either or had diffieculty remembering, but if it is because of time syncronization then getting it to syncronize is a pain because I need internet connection just to do that with the proper command and why couldn't the Pi have just included a real-time system clock to begin with considering finding one can be difficult.

    Virtualizing could solve this, but then again completing the D8000 chassis system could solve this too and this gives me another thing I could do with it and it's massive storage capablities as well as potential processing power, even if I may not have had that originally in mind. One problem I have though is that Solaris isn't exactly meant for graphics, even if that's not the only thing the D8000 chassis system was meant for and even if SGI was not just for MIPS it is probably only geared towards graphics rendering and may not have graphics server capabilties, which might be a problem for this project. One thing is for sure Unix System V probably won't do anything near IRIX though in terms of graphics processing and doesn't really require hardware that advanced that I plan to use considering the file size of 5.86 MB or whatever that the file was from winworldpc.com anyway now that I have the file and made a donation to as well just for the sake of be nice helping them preserve it and was amazed I could even get UNIX system V and SGI's IRIX for nothing if I couldn't donate something or pay considering how much it must have probably cost back then.

    This is the peak of what I can probably do in terms of computing power from home that I can probably hope to achieve and probably run off a 15 to 20 amp circuit too especially with by possibly using up to dual 1200 or 1500 watt power supplies, which I did before in a previous Lian-Li A71F chassis build with no apparent or obvious problems, but didn't need in that system and therfore down graded back to a single 1200 watt PSU and now uses a 1500 watt PSU that is titanium plus certified, which if dual 1200 watt PSU wasn't a problem then a single 1500 watt shouldn't be regardless of if Johnny Guru might be right that even a 1500 watt PSU could max out a 15 amp if not a 20 amp circuit and cause a fire or whatever. I had better PSU technology in the 4U server chassis from Supermicro though that than the 1500 watt desktop PSU that wasn't hot-swapable as well, but none that was hot-swapable like the SC850 pedestal server chassis that I could use in place of the D8000 chassis or would want too either and I donated the SC850 chassis to the two year college I graduated from as well because I was facing alot of pressure just for trying to sell it for around $900 total or best offer because of it's age and modern capabilities.
     
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    I would, but as I said in my reply to vermillion I had unsolved issues and they weren't because the system wouldn't read the optical or flash media that I used at the time and now I don't want to dissupt my networking labs host OS, even if I could virtualize it if I can get it to install on anything other than an official Oracle Server or Sun Microsystems Server hardware.
     
  9. Vermillion

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    And you've lost me again. I don't understand the problem. Solaris is available for any x86_64 based CPU from AMD or Intel. It's not locked into any specific hardware.

    Here's the download...

    http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/114beta/114betainstall-4258250.html

    And here's hardware requirements...

    http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris/overview/specs-jsp-136480.html

    Hell there are instructions right on Oracle's webpage on who to configure it inside of VirtualBox.

    So what exactly is the problem?
     
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    UNIX died because Linux was invented and was free of AT&T licensing. BSD was introduced at around the same time as Linux after a lawsuit, but for some reason Linux took off while BSD still flounders.

    You can run BSD?
     
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  11. IdiotInCharge

    IdiotInCharge Not the Idiot YOU are Looking for

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    Total *nix nub here, and I had no problem dropping Solaris 11 into a VirtualBox VM running on some Ubuntu-based distro.

    [and while we're migrating away from Solaris and anything else we have to pay for, we're still running it for certain applications...]
     
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    It just wouldn't work probably because the machine I tried it on is custom assembled, but everyone before failed to address this in the way that you have, so maybe the information you provided might make it work. However, I still want to see what Pure or True Unix as in System V was like and know exactly what fundamental flaw killed it. Pure Unix in the sense obviously found a lot of uses though because SGI used it for graphics, Sun used it for Server if not mainframe, Corel I'm assuming used it mainly to help in word processor development or computing use, and Oracle if they used originally used it other than Solaris used it for Database. I know UNIX lives on in LInux though just as Novell might live on in SUSE products or Linux, but I just want to see what it was like and why it had to die for whatever reason and why there doesn't seem to be a purpose for it any longer and if there was some kinda of fundamental flaw with it. Also, why it is so widely used or borrowed from besides that it pretty much inspired and used the C programming language first a programming language so close to machine language in whatever sense that means makes people want to borrow from it, even if I don't need hardware as powerful as the system that I plan to complete that will used the Lian-Li D8000 chassis. I don't think I could do this with Multics though if I wanted to though, but I am wonder after finding out that Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson were part of the original as to why they actually left the group to make UNIX and maybe what Multics was like to for another thread topic later, even if someone has already figured out why and all I have to do is read about it. I have books on Multics, PL-I, and algol, which algol definitely didn't seem that useful just by looking at the contents of the book, but PL-I was probably the first portable programming language and Multics was original or originally involved GE too, but that's topic for another thread if in more detail and GE probably started it with AT&T to help take the burden off the operators of it's electrical equipment just as everyone else did who followed if not for other purposes as this was the problem with the Cheynobl Nuclear Power plant that makes or made even Nuclear Power seem bad or like a bad thing completely in regards to even Nuclear Power and with another problem of finding out how to dispose of the nuclear rods that is a problem that can be eliminate or reduced with graphite rods and needs to be addressed as Nuclear Power Plants are in danger of being shutdown as the most abundant source of electricity possibly everywhere as groups like Generation Atomic seek to raise support for this problem.

    As for Generation Atomic too and support it tries to gain it is also trying to raise awareness of salt water and other types of nuclear reactors that borrow from the salt water technology that are safer as and a topic for another thread though. However, as well as maybe the last thing I'll mention about nuclear power in regards to anything related to generation atomic the problem with the taking all the responsibility or a lot off the operating was one of the main problems that caused the Chernobyl meltdown and is stupidly address the awful transformer movies in my opinion, even if I might have somewhat made fun of the whole situation with my Half-Life Resonance Cascade Chernobyl meltdown video if you know what I mean and if it wasn't actually a resonance cascade as well as that I was trying to mean why didn't whoever design that Power plant listen to whoever knew that might happen, even if money played a factor in it and irresponsibility as well considering that meltdown in 1986 was disastrously felt and effective especially on that area, which for it to be put in such a I don't know how to describe such an awful way in the transformer movies is terrible or clueless as to how bad it is to address it that way considering that incident hurt the influence of nuclear power forever in probably the worst way as well as made Russia look really really bad that I probably can't even describe, even if they are or some of them really are and I grew up in during the time period that the meltdown happened in and the awful Berlin wall regardless of if the Germans had it coming or deserved that to happen to them for what the did or helped do during World War II as well. Also, even if those are topics for another thread too. It's what they seem to be denying in transformer movies in that regards and it's awful that they might be doing that in that regards, even if they might just be trying to put such an awful event in history gently to the newer generations of youth as it was a tragic mistake.
     
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    It did not do what it was supposed to do what I thought it should do during installation or did work and I posted the exact problem and that was the answer I got that it was the hardware. I'm not a *nix nub though because I have officially used Linux, since about 2009 and at least BSD Unix, since around 2015 and those worked find especially in VM's, but not Solaris if I tried it in a VM. I doing a full back up of my laptop currently, so I can't try it again on it right now as it's aready running extremely slow sometimes too.
     
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    Thanks I still want to try as well as experience true UNIX if nothing else later. I know Linux is the most healthy continuation of Linux according to Dennis Ritchie himself too. I don't want to go public with whatever I actually finish end up doing with true or pure Unix, but BSD was prevented from doing so in regards to any BSD UNIX by AT&T according to Andrew Tannebaum the creator of Minix, which is the reason any BSD UNIX never took off other than as open source or free type ware or whatever you or anyone else want to consider it.
     
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    Yes I know UNIX is pretty much officially dead as Dennis Ritchie is too as well and nobody knows how too follow his work or already have in terms of Linux and GNU. I still have a real desire to pursue this and find out what it did and what fundamental flaw it had or why it is no longer an official craze. I also want to finish my attempt at an experiment of actually get SteamOS install on something especially real hardware sometime too as I failed or it failed to install to a VM for some reason that possibly had something to do with not being able to work around issues with EFI that I new of like making that partitions for EFI and I think it was because the optical media or USB wouldn't boot or load the installer and is a topic for another thread of where I left on my previous thread about it, which hopefully won't be thread neckroing. I really want to experience true or the purest original UNIX after my full back of this system or I find another one of my system I can use. I have it too and it's a lot smaller than I though it would be compared to modern Operating Systems too and surprises me as the file was only one 5.86 MB file. I also know as I said in reply to another forum member who replied to this thread that Linux is the healthiest continuation of the UNIX operating system according to Dennis Ritchie himself before the world lost him.
     
  16. thebufenator

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    Don't forget HP-UX and IBM AIX.

    Solaris 11 I think is the newest unix distro.

    Suggestion: shorter sentances, get to the point quicker. No one is reading those walls of text
     
  17. IdiotInCharge

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    I'm just going to do an end-run here: this looks far more like PEBCAK.

    I'd suggest doing a clean install of a widely-used distro and trying again.
     
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    If you even knew what AIX is you wouldn't be saying that because According to UNIX/Linux System Administration by Evi Nemeth and others AIX UNIX is IBM's original AIX operating system traped inside the UNIX body and so many other possibly other horrible things that just aren't working out yet if they ever will.

    I do want to get Solaris working, but I don't think it will and as I said I don't want to disturb my Ubuntu Server 64-bit installation on my lab server and if I'm not mistaken Solaris or what's left of it is only avaiable in 32-bit, which will definitely be a major problem for people using it on Live servers and computers in regards to all 32-bit Systems in 2038 officially if any of us are still around according to the computerphile because it won't be able to count the date past the date it will cause problems in everything and they know this as well as are taking care of it or have until the next date counting problem becomes a real problem way into the future as 64-bit can count the date way beyond what 32-bit or anything previous can do, which you and everyone else should know considering it's not just a problem with not being able to count a four digit date for the year as it was with the millenium or Y2k compliant problem or any other date problem counting problem.

    As for HP-UX I would need to call them and apparently I wouldn't be able to afford it currently if I could convince them to sell or let me use it either compared to what tbg provided, which was the real Unix System V operating system or a link to where i could and did get it that was a museum of operating systems from around that time or somewhat later. I have no desire to use it for completely reliving or redoing what other may have already done though if they did, but I at least now I might get to see what it was like and more. I will call HP though to find out if they'll tell me anything I may want to know though.
     
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  19. IdiotInCharge

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    You're mistaken.

    Perhaps you should spend some time researching rather than positing theses in tech forums.
     
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    In regards to anything said about SteamOS in this thread it's biggest problem as far as getting on to media is that you just can't simple burn it to an optical disc with a burning program or write it to flash media with a Flash aka SD writing program and that everyone was saying it was not secure when they probably or definitely didn't know how to secure it, which if it is no longer being used and supported that's mostly what killed it if not made it at least difficult for me to use especially getting it on the storage media to install it from.
     
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    Um I downloaded and saw nothing, but 32-bit that's proof enough and I have it somewhere unless that situation changed after my last attempt at using it. However, tbg answered my question perfectly by providing a way to get actual System V the last current implementation of Pure or True Unix in it's originally unmodified form, even if TrueOS might be better or it as it should be intended for modern use and I got that downloaded too that way I can try that and at least see if I like it or if it works for me or satisfies at least some need if not for the actual most current original UNIX for whatever I end up finally doing with it or I might plan to donate more contributions in return for. Therefore, maybe I should close this thread to keep it from getting out of hand in terms of this original topic if not others. If you want scene shots of Oracle website actually showing nothing other than 32-bit that's not possible because it happened before you may have proved this may no longer be true, but good for Oracle and the Solaris project if it's not as Solaris is or was a very good UNIX branch or whatever or at least according to some people. To bad probably that Sun Micro-systems is no more though because Sparc is and was a revolutionary good processor that influenced computing too if not other thing Sun did, even with Spectre and Meltdown issue possible going to effect those processors to if not all considering nobody probably even know what 8 threads or 8 threads per core instead of 2 is actually like or could be beneficial for desktop computing. Oh and by the way this is not a thesis even for anything, even if it ended up actually being one or seeming like one.
     
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    Let me just stop you right there.

    You should probably stop posting and dig in. You keep making assertions based on profound ignorance, and complicating your own purpose in the process. Go learn!
     
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    If you really want something close to modern sys V unix. you should try to dig up some some solaris 8 or 9. modern solaris with smf is a lot different then classic unix with classic init.d script for services.
     
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    Solaris 11 or Solaris 11 isn't what I was looking for or wanted or what I intended this thread to be about. Yes as for the wording I know I could do better, so work with me here on the actual purpose of the original post to the thread if you aren't. Also, as I said tbg answered it perfectly.
     
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    Ok thanks tbg I hope to get around that if possible.
     
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    I'm learning something from all this just not the way you want me to or probably should and as I said tbg answered it correctly, so probably no need to go on about it.
     
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    Are........are you trolling?
     
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    Read what I said if your the one that said a more modern Solaris in 64-bit is avalable, which was that your probably right and that at that time I downloaded it and tried it either wasn't or was true that it was only available in 32-bit and I can't prove it. Therefore, maybe your right. I'm backing up the system I'm replying to these threads so even if I can check downloading it would slow at least this sytem down even more and it has 10 hours more to go, which maybe I can do a faster way by cancelling and trying the terminal way, which I know how and didn't start it that way when I did start it.
     
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    How could I be trolling the thread I started and am satisfied with the answers, so far? How do I know I'm not starting to be ridiculed by at least you for whatever reason?
     
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    no, he is for real, have you not seen his other posts?
     
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    scharftshutze009 just install the AT&T UNIX System V Release 4 Version 2.1 from winworldpc.com in virtualbox and write us all up one of your sweet guides on how to do it.
     
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    There's no such thing as "true" UNIX, except maybe Research UNIX versions 1 through 7 that all other variants are derived from . It is a philosophy about the design and operation of an OS, and there even exists a certification process to get your OS labelled as a UNIX. MacOS is officially a UNIX (not to be confused with Mac OS from the 90's). System V was just AT&T's commercial implementation of the OS philosophy it created and refined through the development of Research UNIX. They sold the rights and the source code, and SysV lives on (in some form) as UnixWare (here).

    The BSDs were another major branch of the implementation of the UNIX philosophy, and are just as much a "true" UNIX as SysV was.


    As for why it was so wide-spread, it was the first OS to not be tied to the hardware it came on. It was modular and easily ported to just about anything with a clock and bits. AT&T licensed it to many academic and government organizations, who in turn profoundly influenced how computer technology developed during the 70's and 80's.
     
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    LOL ok I know you're joking and that guide wasn't meant to be so awful either, which I did fix to atleast maybe some reasonable extent if not enough and may need more improvement. I'm busy cooking something to eat too, so I probably should get to involved with actually trying to install System V until after though.
     
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    Another thing about Solaris if I can actually use it without paying for it if I can't because Oracle Linux won't and I can't afford a subscription to an operating system right now not even the previous $100 minimum just for download updates for Oracle Linux and that is why I can't afford true Redhat either as well as have to use Fedora or CentOS if I want to, because they will let me use those without paying and also donating if I can. Same with Ubuntu, which is why I'm using it so much or a lot especially considering it's proving to be reliable regardless if someone from Ubuntu is spying on me from Canonical as Stallman says might be true and might be right.

    What Stallman isn't telling you if it's true and if you have at least read the Cocko's Egg is that Emacs that he endorses so much has a back door through your entire operating system at least when orgiinally created even if Stallman isn't responsible for that the Author of the Cocko's Egg and others had to figure and did patch at least on their systems. I'll try Solaris, but it wan't what I was looking for in regards to this thread and I might want to use it on my server instead of Ubuntu, but I'll need to download it using a different computer and find any help with remembering my login information to oracle's download account for me that they have. I would also, like or want to find and print the documentation for worst case scenario or ease of finding how to use it to though and hopefully will. However, if Solaris is anything like Oracle Linux and I have to subscribe to paying for use I will not be able to use it as soon.
     
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    Try out an illlumos distribution. They're supposed to be the successor to OpenSolaris after Oracle killed it off.
     
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    Mac OS X (at least today) is POSIX compliant. In the realm of software development, especially where cross-platform reliability is at stake, this is all that matters.

    As a cross-platform software developer, all that matters to me, personally, is POSIX compliance. If you want to slap a shiny badge on your OS as being "UNIX certified", fine. I'm ok with that. At the end of the day, you better be POSIX compliant, or at very least make great efforts towards it (linux and Android, I'm looking at you). If you aren't doing the POSIX thing, I'll be throwing rocks at your window.

    Fortunately, we live in a time where to become Unix certified, you must also be POSIX compliant. And Apple certainly made a wise choice going down the POSIX road starting with Darwin.
     
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    Well I probably never know in regards to this at least not now because I went to Oracle's site to login for the download, couldn't remember my password, and their was no option available to reset my password ask for my username if that was a problem, so if you really must know if I agree with you and you are right about this I won't know for sure on my own right now or anything soon or anything else. Solaris might be a good fork of UNIX, but I've never gotton the chance to use it completly or at all yet passed trying to get the installation media to boot and load the installer. As for other Oracle products though those are good if you ask me as far as I can tell, even Oracle Linux, but I haven't used all their features or gotten the chance to yet and currently I can't afford to use Oracle Linux ethically and don't want to try to use it unethically because I don't want to get in any unnecessary trouble for doing so, which was never my intention either. I used it for the Oracle Architecture and Administration I took to get an Associate's before currently working on my bachelor's though and tried to use it again with Oracle Linux 7, but couldn't afford a subscription and was locked out from even using the Operating System immediately after installing it in my most recent attempt for some reason, so now what can I still do especially with Oracle Product that I have to pay for?
     
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    Oh wow ok let me look up where to get it from. i kinda forgot Oracle killed off OpenSolaris too though or about it.
     
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    Um....'Wow'! Lol!
     
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    I didn't try it yet, but I'm unhappy or unsatified with the security features it mentions in the documentation because it has no firewall or encryption as well as ip address masquarading if I want to actually use in on my server. I found dilos, which was the cloest thing that matched what you said or that description though, so was it the right one. As much as I would like help make these features in this fork too though, even with my programming educational experience as a student I just don't know how because I didn't take computer science or engineering or however I need to find out how to do it the right way. Of course I can always look it on the internet though, but is it the right way and as always anyone needs to filter out the good from the bad information on the internet. I may run into other problems to finding and getting the information of how to do security too.
     
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