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Project: Galaxy 4.75
- Thread starter Ockie
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So all the new parts arrived yesterday. Man, it's beautiful. Running like a champ, no issues, no configuration changes, nothing, the new configuration works like a charm.
I forgot to order sata cables for the second rack mount, so I'll have to wait for those.
Pix to follow.
I forgot to order sata cables for the second rack mount, so I'll have to wait for those.
Pix to follow.
Update, WHS transfer is excellent, I'm peaking out this basic network controller. It appears as WHS isn't limiting the system transfers, it's basically JBOD performance. I'm very impressed with WHS so far.
More to come and pics to follow. I'm right now in the process of debating of switching galaxy 5.0 to WHS also.
More to come and pics to follow. I'm right now in the process of debating of switching galaxy 5.0 to WHS also.
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wow
[LYL]Homer
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Wow, that's quite an endorsement of WHS!
I'd ditch the raid controller and buy 10 more drives with that money.
I like the functionality of it and I like how it just works together. Since the start of all galaxy products, this was the thing I've been seeking, and now have found it. I guess another motivation would be due to the fact that my array failed at expanding the other day, so it became a big liability.
Update: I got my rails and everything in, I was so happy, because I get to take pics of everything nearly completed... however, I forgot the stupid rack clips at work (i dont have enough here at home)... so now I'm debating driving an hour into work and getting them.
Do it!
Second that
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I'm glad to see you came over the WHS side of life...It just makes thing too freaking easy. BTW we need to figure out how to get WHS to setup as an iSCSI target....that would be awesome for connecting HTPC's and stuff to.
I tried MySAN but it said that I was trying to install it on an unsupported platform...I figured it would see the OS as 2003 not "WHS" so that option is out.
I tried MySAN but it said that I was trying to install it on an unsupported platform...I figured it would see the OS as 2003 not "WHS" so that option is out.
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odditory I replaced me rear fans with just some standard 80mm fans that had 3 pin connectors and my Mobo controls the speed so it speeds them up enough pull the hot air out of the case.
Btw what cpu cooler are you using?
I didnt think about covering up those lower holes im going to do that to mine...my drive temp seem to hover around 95 Fahrenheit....little too hot for my liking.
Give this a try, maybe it will work.
And let me know what you use to cover up those holes, I'll have to give it a try as well. My temps aren't bad but could be better.
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Yea Ive used Starwind before but some features that i would want such as multiple cpus, multiple connections etc the cost just gets out of hand. The free version is ok but im just too damn picky
If you guys find a nice iSCSI target software that will work with WHS, let me know, I'm all ears.
Update: Pics!!!
Galaxy 4.75, finally complete
Inside, notice all the changes? Complete system swap, this configuration works wonders
Galaxy 4.75x2
Similar configuration, but has a Corsair 750w PSU, works wonders, like it a lot better
Another angle
The rack, home to MiniGalaxy, Galaxy 4.75x2, Galaxy 4.75, Galaxy 5.0.
Update: Pics!!!
Galaxy 4.75, finally complete
Inside, notice all the changes? Complete system swap, this configuration works wonders
Galaxy 4.75x2
Similar configuration, but has a Corsair 750w PSU, works wonders, like it a lot better
Another angle
The rack, home to MiniGalaxy, Galaxy 4.75x2, Galaxy 4.75, Galaxy 5.0.
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Ockie where did you buy the rails and stuff for the norco case?
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How many TB's am I looking at in total there Ockie?
Newegg sells them, I think they're around 25 bucks.
These rails are universal rack rails, gruber sells these, you can pick them up on their ebay store for about $28 each. I went with this route because I'm not sure if I trust the norco rails (also, some of those 3rd type party rails have a ton of pieces to assemble). These rails allows me to adapt to diffrent cases (these were designed originally for servers without rails or regular desktop towers).
niceone
hows speed with 16 drives on pci ... ?
I get full performance. The PCI isn't very limiting for the reason that these drives are JBOD. If they were 64bit array controllers, then I'd see some limitations.
[LYL]Homer;1032966738 said:
Quite a bit
I chose the 1u spacing in between because it will give me a perfect rack balance when I add two more norco systems in and the 4 UPS systems I want to put in. Also, because I used the gruber universal rails, the spacing on the rails themselves will off-set just enough that you can't stack servers with those rails. So primary reason is that I can't, secondary reason is that it provides better rack population when I add two more norcos, third reason, it keeps the systems cooler.
[LYL]Homer;1032962127 said:
Before you guys go too crazy about WHS, I'd recommend Ockie you spend more time with it before basing too much long-term planning on experience with it so far. Not to be a killjoy but I had high hopes for it too back in January when I put it through serious testing, and found serious drawbacks that made it a no-go to manage large storage.
Of course I haven't tested the latest/greatest version with the latest patches, so perhaps they've changed the way their drive pooling service works. After reading whitepapers on their drive pooling back during my evaluation, the problems I was having made sense. At the time at least, the behavior was that the first drive in the pool would serve as the "landing" drive that data you copied to the pool ended up on. Let's say I copied 10gb or 20gb of data to the "pool" (which ended up on 'landing' drive) - then at some point the drive pooling service decides it's going to move that data off to another drive in the pool, so while it's doing that let's say I decide to copy more files to the "pool" - all of a sudden transfer speed of my copy to the pool goes to $hit because the "landing" harddisk is already busy copying data off to another drive.
That behavior was a dealbreaker for me, because as it stands now I regularly move really big chunks of data around between arrays on various systems, let's say 10Tb or 16Tb at a time. Just yesterday I copied 10Tb from one array to another in about 5.5 hours.
No doubt all of our needs are different and my gripes might not be felt by the average WHS user, and I hope WHS continues to improve because I too like the idea of software-based drive pooling, even though transfer speeds are going to be no faster than that of a single drive - enough to deal with differential data backup, though the initial backup of multiple terabytes to a WHS drive pool could take days to weeks.
Just my 2 cents!
I have some exp. with the rl-20 pretty much easy to use. Mount rail to rack. Mount other piece to box. Mostly a major bitch because there's a bunch of hw and getting their screws to clear properly is a pain, but once it's done it's not going anywhere. example. example 2. i've bought some stuff from gruber before they are good, good customer service (friendly).
I have several WHS boxes running now and I did the homework.
I moved 10tb so far and have not seen any moving of the pool drives, no performance hit so far yet either on either of the 3 boxes.
Depending on your network configuration, WHS isn't going to be the limiting factor. I'm hitting the gigabit ceiling before I can peak the WHS system. Now obviously, array to array is smoking fast, no denying that, but this solution has to do until 10gb becomes a little more reasonable. I don't really want to put quad nics in these boxes either as they would be half the price of the box (without the drives).
I agree about gruber, I was thier first customer (from what I can tell) and I have not looked back yet, they have great and innovative products and the prices are excellent.
I made a request for them to see if they can or are planning on producing these universal style rails for two post racks, I have another project going or in the planning stages and it would be neato if they had a product like that.
Just an FYI before anyone buys anymore Norco 4020 cases - they're about to release a rev2 case, where it's still 20 bays but it'll be a single backplane instead of 5 x 4-port backplanes. Supposedly will also have LED management headers.
Should be out in a few weeks according to kapone. I was about to buy another Norco 4020 but am waiting on the rev2 one now in the hopes it will simplify connectivity.
Should be out in a few weeks according to kapone. I was about to buy another Norco 4020 but am waiting on the rev2 one now in the hopes it will simplify connectivity.
I'm not gonna hold my breath. I'll buy whenever I need the extra case. I'd be worried that the new revision costs more (considering that these things flew off the shelves, thats a real possibility). Some other norco products which flew off the shelf came in new revisions 100-200 bucks more (anyone remember the raid cases?)
Yea, I'm thinking about buying another one to just hold onto right now.
Same here. I'm debating on selling the galaxy 5.0 supermicro case, these are much cheaper and quieter.
Not yet, I was hoping someone else would do that dirty work for me and report me the results
Glad to hear. You will see a lot of other galaxy offsprings on these forums
Glad to hear. You will see a lot of other galaxy offsprings on these forums
Well, I already have a "baby" Galaxy. Only 12 drives though. WHS works like a champ, especially with Power Pack 1. I can now utilize about 60 - 70% of a GigE connection while transferring data to and from it, which I'm happy with.
My next one will be a 20 drive build in a big CoolerMaster tower I've got.
I just got mine straight from Norco themselves (USPS international = expensive)..
It has _NO_ SAS connectors, and the fan headers are no longer on the backplanes themselves, but there are still 5 backplanes. Fans have a dedicated PCB for power now, takes 1 molex.
Maybe I suck at ordering and ordered the SATA only version? Or did they change something already?
Sounds like you got version 2
I thought version 2 was supposed to have a single backplane?
This feels more like v1.5, "we're almost there, oh... and why should we sell something with SAS support this cheap? lets remove it!"
Not that I mind, SAS drives are way out of my price range...
EDIT: Thats the backplanes I've got -
Norcos site says its SATA/SAS, but I don't see anything that looks it might fit a SAS HD on the tray ends of the backplane, probably just me being a noob though