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Post your Speaker setup PICS!!!!!!

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lost eden said:
Nah, the MTX Jackhammer is the scariest sub I've ever seen...
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hahaha i saw that episode

Pinipig523 said:
The beauty is in the technology and design of the Torus subwoofer. People who click on that link probably don't read up on what makes the Torus a super special subwoofer. One has to understand that it is the only subwoofer I know of that enables the woofer to act like a magenetostat panel. It causes a flux of magnetic fields on both sides of the woofer and allows for instant stop/start of the woofer. Sealed, superbly designed.... the Torus is the sub of dreams.
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I did bother to look around at the design, which is exactly why it scares me. The way it's designed to have absolute control of the air displacement in your room, geez.
 
I was randomly looking around at Wilson Torus subwoofers and I came across this picture which somewhat disturbed me because I wasn't totally sure why they'd spend that much on a subwoofer and have bookshelf speakers as mains (I'm sure they're good bookshelfs but at this level they probably should be getting floorstanding speakers of some sort). I'm not much of a fan about his power strip either...

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The guy is into cables.....

And that jackhammer....just utterly WOW, id love to take one of those into auto and crank it up...pissing off my entire high school. awesome....
 
I guess there's a point where it's retarded to gloat about bass because it's just a matter of who has the most money to spend on 350 pound subwoofers and that many amps to power them.
 
Most of the cars you see blaring bass are doing it for image. Its the ones that you don't notice that are doing it for quality. Car interiors like to eat up bass. A good subwoofer can really take the music to the next level. They are not mandatory by any means, but alot of aftermarket car speakers take into account the likelihood of users having subwoofers, and therefore have their speakers roll off around 80 and 60 hz. So if you plan on getting aftermarket speakers, you would most likely benefit from a sub, even if you aren't a bass-head.
The black sub in my 2nd link was setup to impress visually, but believe me there is a whole cult of people enamored with the units sound quality.

Then theres the fletcher-munson curve thing. So subs make low-level listening much more enjoyable.
That said, I don't find them as necessary in the home environment. But thats just me.
 
6 years ago I used to be pretty heavy into the whole bass thing like most guys.

I can always remember the time when my friend came over and I played my stereo for him with the song "Axel F" (theme song from Beverly Hills Cop) and was blasting my Yamaha 100 watt subwoofer (150 dollar special from Good Guys) as loud as it went without distorting and he said "Imagine your subwoofer in a car!!!" Now obviously, it wasn't as 99% of car subwoofers SPL output but I was enjoying the compliment at the time. That subwoofer's lowest frequency without being rolled off was about 30 Hz and that was cranking it. Nothing audible (or felt) at 20 Hz and 40 Hz was actually the lowest thing you heard at normal volumes.

Since then, I got the M&K subwoofer with dual 12" woofers in a push-pull configuration for ultra fast and pretty deep sounds. Granted, it has a hard time doing 20 Hz but it sure can go down to 30 Hz with no problem at all. As sound as this may seem, I find frequencies from 30-80 Hz very important for music. My headphones can't emulate it and so my headphones tend to not be all that realistic in terms of music output. BUT I JUST LOVE HOW MY HEART WILL THUMP TO THE BEAT OF THE SUB!

Carried on a little too far there but for the most part the lower range from 80 Hz and down is critically important for me to fully enjoy music. I love the highs just as much but it's not complete without a subwoofer.
 
illgiveumorality said:
I did bother to look around at the design, which is exactly why it scares me. The way it's designed to have absolute control of the air displacement in your room, geez.
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I know you did and that's why you said it was scary. So, the better question is, when are you getting one so I can come by to sneak a listen?

:)
 
azulcorvette said:
I was randomly looking around at Wilson Torus subwoofers and I came across this picture which somewhat disturbed me because I wasn't totally sure why they'd spend that much on a subwoofer and have bookshelf speakers as mains (I'm sure they're good bookshelfs but at this level they probably should be getting floorstanding speakers of some sort). I'm not much of a fan about his power strip either...

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I gotta show you a system pic of a guy who's perfectly integrated the Torus with his Magico Minis... here is is...

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I love WSlam's system. It is utterly ridiculous.

Keep in mind, the Torus isn't the lowest digging or loudest sub, but it's one of the (if not THE) best sub for music. I know many of us complain of boomy subs, well.... this is the theoretical antidote to that. Only problem, as most of us have figured out, is price.
 
Pinipig523 said:
I know you did and that's why you said it was scary. So, the better question is, when are you getting one so I can come by to sneak a listen?

:)
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I think my house would fall apart :D

Edit: actually, probably not, but my credit certainly would.
I guess the advantaged of being musically inclined in both performance and reproduction is that if I ever need the raw, perfectly true sound of an instrument or a musical piece, I can just play it, hehe.
 
I'm curious about Mid-Bass woofers, such as what HSU is selling. I think that when I get my new subwoofer, I'll take my old underpowered piece and do a little band-passing to see what happens.
 
azulcorvette said:
. As sound as this may seem, I find frequencies from 30-80 Hz very important for music. My headphones can't emulate it and so my headphones tend to not be all that realistic in terms of music output. BUT I JUST LOVE HOW MY HEART WILL THUMP TO THE BEAT OF THE SUB!

Carried on a little too far there but for the most part the lower range from 80 Hz and down is critically important for me to fully enjoy music. I love the highs just as much but it's not complete without a subwoofer.
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I agree, headphones cant do that in the chest thumping you get when you go live but speakers can, though the privacy of headphones let me listen to whatever i want without worrying about pissing off my family, or DJing and not playing my hardcore music when my mom or dad is within 15 yards

and what is up with the high end guys and their cables? i could run that stuff from my neighborhood to my ISP and have enough bandwith and not worry about data loss for an entire datacenter
 
Cat1yst said:
I agree, headphones cant do that in the chest thumping you get when you go live but speakers can, though the privacy of headphones let me listen to whatever i want without worrying about pissing off my family, or DJing and not playing my hardcore music when my mom or dad is within 15 yards

and what is up with the high end guys and their cables? i could run that stuff from my neighborhood to my ISP and have enough bandwith and not worry about data loss for an entire datacenter
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When it comes to speaker cable and interlink cables, it all comes down to each person's marginal cost-benefit ratio. Some people really think they can tell the difference between radioshack wire and standard Monster cable, some can tell between 100 dollar per foot wire and the 30000 dollar wire. The question is where you think it makes a difference. Personally I have found out that my basic Monster XP-CI performs about the same as my Audioquest CV-4 via double blind test a long time ago. The difference is 80 cents per foot (Monster) vs. 10 dollars per foot (Audioquest). I really should do some more tests but for the most part it's all the same. The only thing I really like about my Audioquest is that I am using it to Bi-wire with and does a good job being solid copper (4 copper leads individually wrapped inside each cable) and it looks pretty cool.
 
Regarding speaker wire and cables... I wont get into the mix because it usually gets ugly. Bottomline is that in my system, I use speaker wire that I bought from eBay 4 years ago that are 12 gauge OFC wire which sold for 25ft for $1.99.

And I have never had the itch to change. I mean, of course I get jealous of nice looking and expensive wire, but in my system, I'd rather spend the money elsewhere. Of course, if you don't think my wire is up to par with my system, I'd invite you to listen at what $1.99 worth of speaker wire can really do.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Pinipig523 said:
Regarding speaker wire and cables... I wont get into the mix because it usually gets ugly. Bottomline is that in my system, I use speaker wire that I bought from eBay 4 years ago that are 12 gauge OFC wire which sold for 25ft for $1.99.

And I have never had the itch to change. I mean, of course I get jealous of nice looking and expensive wire, but in my system, I'd rather spend the money elsewhere. Of course, if you don't think my wire is up to par with my system, I'd invite you to listen at what $1.99 worth of speaker wire can really do.

Just my 2 cents.
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Okay I have an idea. Next time I come out to the Chicago area, I'll bring my Audioquest CV-4 wire and if I stop by your place, we should try it out and I don't trust my ears but we'll give it a try and see if you can tell a difference? Deal?

lol

My 2 cents. I'm itching to find out with a really high end system like yours if it does or doesn't really even make a difference even though I can't tell the difference with my moderately low end system.
 
Pinipig523 said:
I would've included a pic of my entire system including the PC, but my workstation was so messy because my gf was over and she ate on my table and I had purses and jackets everywhere.. ah well.

Impressions:
Better imaging and a lot more control over the various instruments/vocals. What I noticed first and foremost was that this is very transparent, natural-sounding, and musical.... moreso than even my prior preamp. On top of that, I noticed one thing that is the main reason why I think it's worth the money I spent, the fact that when I turn up my system - the imaging remains coherent and solidly focused is a BIG improvement! With my old preamp 98, once I turned up the volume knob to about 80-90db, I'd begin to lose coherence and the image of the singer would begin to ENLARGE! This sucks because it's not realistic..

I'm glad the 05 improved on the overall coherence of my system... it's beginning to sound real good now. I can turn it up and the image remains relatively normal-sized.. while allowing a more realistic reproduction of the ambiance of the recording studio/hall! It's impressive how wide my soundstage is.... you guys have to come over and hear it for yourself.

I know I've heard better, but this is getting to be really scary good.

Improvement for the future...
1. I think I can hear a bit of high-frequency artifacts at times.... I think this is because I lack room treatments. Once I finish my home-made DIY treatments, I'm going to take pics once I get them up.

2. I need balanced xlr interconnects to truly run my system in balanced mode (meaning the R and L channels never commit the since of crossing paths/crosstalk/cross-interference) from the PS Audio III DAC -> Cary 05 preamp -> Plinius 102 amp! I'm going to ask it for Christmas. I'm looking forward to another increment of improvement in sound. :)

3. I think I could use a better source, but I'm going to slow down for a few months until I find one that can replace my fully-balanced PS Audio III. Perhaps another Cary unit?

4. I have a lot of 6sn7 tubes in my possession so it would only make sense to tube-roll my preamp. I'll do this after I get back to my apartment this weekend.... Sunday night. Something to look forward to! :D

5. I need some headphones now.... I think I'm going to ask for a Sennheiser HD-650 from my gf. My brother has a spare Sony SA5000 so I can use those in the meantime. He also has the AKG701 so I'm sure he'll let me borrow those for a week or two.

Comments? Questions?

Thanks fellas. :cool:
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what exactly does that do? just an insanely expensive amp for headphones wtF?
 
mista ting said:
what exactly does that do? just an insanely expensive amp for headphones wtF?
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It's a preamplifier for the speakers and is also a headphone amplifier on top of that. If you've visited headfi, you'd have seen that headphone amps can cost between $100 to about $10,000. I'm not completely sold on the headphone side of audio, but if I can get a superb preamplifier for my system and it comes with an almost equally superb headphone amp - hey, I'm all for it!

;)
 
azulcorvette said:
Okay I have an idea. Next time I come out to the Chicago area, I'll bring my Audioquest CV-4 wire and if I stop by your place, we should try it out and I don't trust my ears but we'll give it a try and see if you can tell a difference? Deal?

lol

My 2 cents. I'm itching to find out with a really high end system like yours if it does or doesn't really even make a difference even though I can't tell the difference with my moderately low end system.
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Ryan,

I bet we can tell "some" difference. I don't doubt that cables make a difference.. it's just that I choose not to spend too much money ($1.99... lol) on cables. Just how much is the real question and how much is psycho-acoustics.

Bring it on though! I'd love to have you over!!!!
 
Pinipig523 said:
Regarding speaker wire and cables... I wont get into the mix because it usually gets ugly. Bottomline is that in my system, I use speaker wire that I bought from eBay 4 years ago that are 12 gauge OFC wire which sold for 25ft for $1.99.

And I have never had the itch to change. I mean, of course I get jealous of nice looking and expensive wire, but in my system, I'd rather spend the money elsewhere. Of course, if you don't think my wire is up to par with my system, I'd invite you to listen at what $1.99 worth of speaker wire can really do.

Just my 2 cents.
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I doubt it'd get ugly here. If you thought the other way it probably would (I'd certainly give you some shit for it). Even on AVS I think the thousand dollar cable guys are having to lay a little low, especially after the golden ear couldn't tell the difference between his 30,000 dollar cables and Monster cable.

Jesus what a waste. I can understand if you've got a hundred or two hundred thousand dollar system you don't want some zipcord from Home Depot laying around simply for aesthetic reasons, but 30k is just insane.

Speaking of cables, I need some new ones. My PC HT system speaker wire is a mish mash of various cables some of which are old enough that the plastic shielding is brittle and cracking. I think I might replace my main HT wire and then shift the wires from there to my PC.

I also need another DVI-HDMI cable for my new HTPC.

And I'm debating whether or not I should replace the only 10' HDMI cable in my system, which is from monoprice. I wish that Gizmodo article that they tested them on tested the 10', but I think they just did 6' and then went straight to 35'. It's probably fine, but there's always that little nagging doubt.

I think I may try Blue Jeans cable this time just to see how their stuff is.
 
Pinipig523 said:
how much is psycho-acoustics.
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Pretty much all of it. I'll concede that if you have a method of doing rapid A/B switching that you MIGHT be able to tell a difference (probably not, but might). But you'll never be able to tell the difference in normal usage and you'll never be able to pass an ABX test.
 
Pinipig523 said:
It's a preamplifier for the speakers and is also a headphone amplifier on top of that. If you've visited headfi, you'd have seen that headphone amps can cost between $100 to about $10,000. I'm not completely sold on the headphone side of audio, but if I can get a superb preamplifier for my system and it comes with an almost equally superb headphone amp - hey, I'm all for it!

;)
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The main advantages I've found from headphone listening are no real need to worry about volume as it concerns to others, relatively faithful reproduction at a relatively low cost, no need to worry about being in the "sweet spot" of a speaker setup and the ability to take it on the road (some headphones/amps at least :p ). Most of those are relatively minor. I still prefer to listen to speakers most of the time but definitely have a soft spot for headphones.
 
The only thing that you guys might not agree with that I actually believe in is the whole oxygen-free copper deal.

Copper-oxide is more resistant than unoxidized copper. Simply put, you are making your system work a little harder to turn up the volume to a certain level when it could be less. For example: You are running 6 ohm speakers like me. And you are biwiring. And you are using oxided cable when totalled up, causes 1 ohm of resistance per 10 foot length of wire. All in all, 1+1 ohms resistance per speaker + existing 6 ohms speaker impedance means roughly 8 ohms (technically the 1+1 are in parallel but because I have a final in 45 minutes I cannot do the math right now). With Ohm's law V=IR and P=IV, we quickly realize that 8 ohms vs 6 ohms (voltage held same by amp/receiver) that the current is decreased in the 8 ohm version and thus loss of total power output. YUCK.

Anyways, simply put nobody wants to hear 6 ohms being driven like 8 ohms, I would theoretically appreciate all the power output I can get out of my speakers to be honest. Sounds cleaner and can get louder (probably not noticably but oh well).

By the way, my 1 ohm per speaker length is probably off by a lot but I had to come up with a random number from somewhere.

Tomorrow's final is in Physics (Electric fields, circuits, and magnetic fields) if anybody would like to take it for me :p

Ryan
 
I like my man Paul's designs when it comes to cables. They are around the bottom of the page.
http://www.angelfire.com/biz/bizzyb/indexx.html

He does the simplest, most effective and affordable builds throughout his audio products. Everything just works solid. No flash except for the real wood veneer on his speakers lol. Got to love someone that is bang for the buck and quality first and b.s. second.

Not a paid advertisment lol. I just really like the 2.1 speaker setup I got from him and am getting a nice 60 amp from him soon. For the $$ I am insanely happy. Even my wife thinks I am a little TOO happy atm lol.
 
azulcorvette said:
The only thing that you guys might not agree with that I actually believe in is the whole oxygen-free copper deal.

Copper-oxide is more resistant than unoxidized copper. Simply put, you are making your system work a little harder to turn up the volume to a certain level when it could be less. For example: You are running 6 ohm speakers like me. And you are biwiring. And you are using oxided cable when totalled up, causes 1 ohm of resistance per 10 foot length of wire. All in all, 1+1 ohms resistance per speaker + existing 6 ohms speaker impedance means roughly 8 ohms (technically the 1+1 are in parallel but because I have a final in 45 minutes I cannot do the math right now). With Ohm's law V=IR and P=IV, we quickly realize that 8 ohms vs 6 ohms (voltage held same by amp/receiver) that the current is decreased in the 8 ohm version and thus loss of total power output. YUCK.

Anyways, simply put nobody wants to hear 6 ohms being driven like 8 ohms, I would theoretically appreciate all the power output I can get out of my speakers to be honest. Sounds cleaner and can get louder (probably not noticably but oh well).

By the way, my 1 ohm per speaker length is probably off by a lot but I had to come up with a random number from somewhere.

Tomorrow's final is in Physics (Electric fields, circuits, and magnetic fields) if anybody would like to take it for me :p

Ryan
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I'm guessing the difference in resistance would be more like .001 ohm rather than 1 ohm.
 
spaceman said:
I like my man Paul's designs when it comes to cables. They are around the bottom of the page.
http://www.angelfire.com/biz/bizzyb/indexx.html

He does the simplest, most effective and affordable builds throughout his audio products. Everything just works solid. No flash except for the real wood veneer on his speakers lol. Got to love someone that is bang for the buck and quality first and b.s. second.

Not a paid advertisment lol. I just really like the 2.1 speaker setup I got from him and am getting a nice 60 amp from him soon. For the $$ I am insanely happy. Even my wife thinks I am a little TOO happy atm lol.
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Not to prove your man Paul wrong or bad but his speakers resemble B&W's way too much. In fact, I have a feeling that he'd need permission from B&W to make speakers that look basically identical to B&W's without ever using the B&W name.

I like the way the speaker wire looks and what it says, but $1 a foot for something that basic still seems expensive.
 
Nicolaskl said:
I'm guessing the difference in resistance would be more like .001 ohm rather than 1 ohm.
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That seems reasonable. So the question would be at what power points would it be noticeable even in terms of power output (not just how it sounds).

Linear (Matrix) Algebra is not fun btw (that was the final I just finished and probably bombed)

Ryan
 
azulcorvette said:
That seems reasonable. So the question would be at what power points would it be noticeable even in terms of power output (not just how it sounds).

Linear (Matrix) Algebra is not fun btw (that was the final I just finished and probably bombed)

Ryan
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Ryan,

You gotta study and stop surfing these boards, man!
 
for speaker wire: as long as you use the right cable diameter for your needed cable length everything is fine.
the use of better conducting material (e.g. use a silver cable instead a copper one) will reduce the diameter needed for the given lenght. I'm using 4 mm² just to be on the safe side.

the signal sent through the interconnects is weaker and therefore you should prefer a quality IC. do a listening test an see which one suits you. i prefered a Monitor Audio one over a more expensive Audioquest.
 
azulcorvette said:
Not to prove your man Paul wrong or bad but his speakers resemble B&W's way too much. In fact, I have a feeling that he'd need permission from B&W to make speakers that look basically identical to B&W's without ever using the B&W name.

I like the way the speaker wire looks and what it says, but $1 a foot for something that basic still seems expensive.
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yeah your not the first to notice that, i was going to order it noticing how its utterly similar to the B&W701, but someone whos opinion i highly regarded swayed my desicion


azulcorvette said:
That seems reasonable. So the question would be at what power points would it be noticeable even in terms of power output (not just how it sounds).

Linear (Matrix) Algebra is not fun btw (that was the final I just finished and probably bombed)

Ryan
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I feel you on that one....Think i got a B on my Alg2/Trig test last thursday.....horrible for an asian.....

which reminds me i need to get back to HW, just one last forum run through :p
 
Cat1yst said:
I feel you on that one....Think i got a B on my Alg2/Trig test last thursday.....horrible for an asian.....

which reminds me i need to get back to HW, just one last forum run through :p
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Yes... you're an embarrassment for all asians.... :p;)
 
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