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Name is onefatguy. Real name is supposedly Scott.

This is his sale thread: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1677251 he updated it to reflect that I bought from him.

Sold me an Xbox game console. I promptly paid but he never shipped it. I contacted him, and he seemed like a nice guy and kept good communication with me. Said his wife said she shipped but he needs to ask her again to find out what happened. He kept me waiting like this around two weeks, then he said wait one more week because he made sure the package shipped but it looks like it somehow got lost in mail and he wants to call the post office to find out what happened.

I waited something around one more week and emailed and PMed him but got no reply. So I waited a few more days because I am nice/kind/stupid like that... And because I believed him.

Then I opened a dispute, and when paypal told me they will close the dispute unless I escalate it, I went ahead and escalated. I got my money back relatively quickly after this, and Scott didn't even bother fighting me over this charge-back. He remained quiet.

Maybe god forbid something happened? Don't want to label this guy a scammer or anything like that, but I thought I shouldn't keep quiet about this and warn you guys.
 
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Hmm.. I sold him a graphic card a few months back. It was a smooth transaction - only thing was that he never posted a heatware eval after I posted one for him. Just never bothered with it since that happens quite often.. Seemed like a good guy. Hope everything's ok. Glad you had no issues getting your money back, OP.
 
If you look at his heatware. He only has 6 evals and all of those was him buying something. So it looks like he is just trying to get into the selling business here.
onefatguy's heatware

Since he is new to this. I will imagine that is why he didn't get any tracking for the item. As he doesn't honestly know if it was lost or anything of the sort. Not to mention the biggest mistake of letting someone else ship a package for you. If YOU can't take your own items and get them shipped off. Then you honestly don't need to be selling stuff in forums.

Nothing bothers me more then to get a lame excuse of; "My wife, friend or whoever shipped out the package excuse." This tells me you are too lazy to go and mail it off yourself and you are taking the cheap way out by letting another person try to mail a item for you. Next is poor communication. Where they log in and stay around looking on the forums and don't even bother to reply. Let alone feel they need to update you on the tracking number or what happened. There is no excuse for not communicating.

Last one would be the ones that create a thread and don't update or even respond to the pms. You have no idea if the item is sold, pending or anything. But yet here they are not responding and just looking at their own thread. Or browsing someone else's thread. You then send out a pm to see if they got the other or what is going on. Only to see them log off. These are folks I have no dealing with and they can be sorted out very fast. By googling their name and looking at their heatware and post around the good old internet. If this makes some of you mad then this is just honestly how I feel.

You need to post feedback on his heatware to let others know how he handled the problem and link to the thread here.

Edit: I'm old and set in my ways. Perhaps this is why I feel the way I do about this situation here.
 
To be honest I don't know if I would leave negative heat since you weren't out anything in the end. Just my own rule of thumb is to never buy from someone with less than a year on the forums. I have sold items to newbies but with heat references.
 
I'd give him a neutral and explain that you don't know exactly what happened, but you didn't get what you paid for, and had to use a dispute to get your money back.
 
@ zoson & soulmetzger. what the hell? This is what Negative heat is for!

He sold you item and never shipped. He didn't give tracking and didn't give a refund.
If you have to open a Paypal dispute to get your money back that's a negative!

Neutral is hard to justify. If he willingly gave a refund, then positive heat. That means he was honest. But he didn't. So negative!
 
Negative all the way, this guy clearly has something wrong with him.
 
-He does a run around with you.
-Based on the original post, it doesn't appear he provided you with a tracking number or proof of shipping.
-Does not even try and explain anything after you got your money back from PayPal.

Not sure how this could be viewed as a neutral feedback situation. A neutral would be reserved for the deal going south and he, the seller, voluntarily refunding you the payment instead of you being forced to go to PayPal.

But then again, I have been scammed here before. Any ounce of forgiveness I have has been drained from me.
 
Negative is if you didn't get your money back. Which happens.

The guy may or may not have been giving him the run around. We don't know.

A deal going south and then voluntary refund is a positive. Shit happens, and you can't hold random chance against people.

Bottom line is you don't know what happened, but you got your money back. That is not negative worthy.

Anything beyond that is pure speculation, and heat feedback shouldn't be based on speculation. ONLY the cold hard facts that you can prove.
 
i don't think the buyer voluntary refund the money; in this situation is more like paypal decide in favor of the buyer due to the lack of tracking
a negative is warrant because the seller did not communicate or even attempt to send out the package.
I think it's better if the OP leaves a negative and detail explanation to warn other people down the line about this trader.
 
Zoson said:
Negative is if you didn't get your money back. Which happens.

The guy may or may not have been giving him the run around. We don't know.

A deal going south and then voluntary refund is a positive. Shit happens, and you can't hold random chance against people.

Bottom line is you don't know what happened, but you got your money back. That is not negative worthy.

Anything beyond that is pure speculation, and heat feedback shouldn't be based on speculation. ONLY the cold hard facts that you can prove.
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The problem is people need to stop with the "if it's not a positive, it's a negative" mentality towards neutral.

Neutral means nothing good or bad came out of the situation. The bad? He did not get his item. The good? He got his money back. That would cancel each other out and the end is result is neutral.

The problem is, he had to go via the dispute route to get his money back, instead of the seller giving it back voluntarily. Thus, a negative is dominant and is warranted.
 
What if we find out the seller ended up with a sick family member? Or in the hospital? You don't know what happened.
 
he kept the OP waiting for 2 weeks claiming that his wife ships but he don't know what happen to it, then another week since he wants to make sure it did not get lost...
i don't know but i don't think he was sick or his family member is dying
 
Zoson said:
What if we find out the seller ended up with a sick family member? Or in the hospital? You don't know what happened.
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It's not the buyer's problem to "know what happened."

Buyer paid but seller didn't ship. This is a negative. It's the very scenario that feedback systems are designed to combat.

NOBODY is so busy that they don't have time to communicate. If you sell something and shit happens in your life (has happened to me) then it's on you to IMMEDIATELY refund that buyer with an apology.
 
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If you look at his heatware. He only has 6 evals and all of those was him buying something. So it looks like he is just trying to get into the selling business here.
onefatguy's heatware

Since he is new to this. I will imagine that is why he didn't get any tracking for the item. As he doesn't honestly know if it was lost or anything of the sort. Not to mention the biggest mistake of letting someone else ship a package for you. If YOU can't take your own items and get them shipped off. Then you honestly don't need to be selling stuff in forums.

Nothing bothers me more then to get a lame excuse of; "My wife, friend or whoever shipped out the package excuse." This tells me you are too lazy to go and mail it off yourself and you are taking the cheap way out by letting another person try to mail a item for you. Next is poor communication. Where they log in and stay around looking on the forums and don't even bother to reply. Let alone feel they need to update you on the tracking number or what happened. There is no excuse for not communicating.

Last one would be the ones that create a thread and don't update or even respond to the pms. You have no idea if the item is sold, pending or anything. But yet here they are not responding and just looking at their own thread. Or browsing someone else's thread. You then send out a pm to see if they got the other or what is going on. Only to see them log off. These are folks I have no dealing with and they can be sorted out very fast. By googling their name and looking at their heatware and post around the good old internet. If this makes some of you mad then this is just honestly how I feel.

You need to post feedback on his heatware to let others know how he handled the problem and link to the thread here.

Edit: I'm old and set in my ways. Perhaps this is why I feel the way I do about this situation here.
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I've only been selling here and AAT for about a year and a half (at most) and think the same way (and I'm only 21). I think some people value their reputation more than others, and heatware feedback usually reflects that.

If I can't ship within a reasonable timeframe, I either post it in my thread or let the trader I am communicating with know immediately.

If I ever needed to have someone else ship an item for me (which I don't hope to need to do, but would do to keep my obligations), I would immediately let the trader know, and do everything to prepare for shipping. That way I just need somebody to just drop the package off at the store, so there aren't as many potential hiccups (I also nag the **** out of whoever mails my stuff, and ask them like 5 times if they did it).



Back on topic - I don't know if the seller was necessarily trying to scam you, if he was just super busy, or didn't understand/expect the level of involvement selling items requires (it's easy to buy - you just pay for the item and wait). Generally you can tell from the professionalism of the user's communication, but not in all cases.

Communication was definitely poor, and it shouldn't take a Paypal claim to get your money back after waiting that long (I would have waited a week max, since UPS Ground or USPS First Class can take up to 5-7 business days sometimes). If it was actually shipped and is just lost, don't be surprised if you receive it a month later (if USPS) - USPS cleans out their mailrooms at the end of the month, so any packages lost there will make it out then (has happened to me twice, and both items arrived during the last week of the month).

My rating would probably be a neutral with a warning to users to use CC-based Paypal or the like until this guy builds up some more positive heatware and shows that he learned from his mistakes.
 
I'll just say this. All the people that always say leave a negative when a deal does not go as planned, keep this in mind when a issue comes up in the middle of one of your deals and you get blasted with a negative. I have 600+ deals under my belt and some went quite bad, and the only negatives I EVER left was when the person clearly tried to troll me and stopped communicating.

he seemed like a nice guy and kept good communication with me.
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If you look at his heatware. He only has 6 evals and all of those was him buying something. So it looks like he is just trying to get into the selling business here
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Based on those two statements alone, I think this guy is a new trader, who started out buying, and the first time he sold something he screwed it up. I wouldn't hit him with a negative for that.

We all started out not knowing what the hell we were doing, and buying is always easier then selling.

I used to stand in line at the Post Office, and fill out forms, and try to figure out if I packed something well enough. Now I have accounts with USPS and Fedex, re-use all my boxes and packing material, over protect everything i ship, and ship everything with insurance. It takes experience.

All I am saying is, I reserve my negatives for those whose intent it was to just screw me, and not honest mistakes.
 
I agree... I would only whip out the negative If I got the feeling I was getting the so called middle finger from the other person.
 
DPOSCORP said:
I'll just say this. All the people that always say leave a negative when a deal does not go as planned, keep this in mind when a issue comes up in the middle of one of your deals and you get blasted with a negative. I have 600+ deals under my belt and some went quite bad, and the only negatives I EVER left was when the person clearly tried to troll me and stopped communicating.





Based on those two statements alone, I think this guy is a new trader, who started out buying, and the first time he sold something he screwed it up. I wouldn't hit him with a negative for that.

We all started out not knowing what the hell we were doing, and buying is always easier then selling.

I used to stand in line at the Post Office, and fill out forms, and try to figure out if I packed something well enough. Now I have accounts with USPS and Fedex, re-use all my boxes and packing material, over protect everything i ship, and ship everything with insurance. It takes experience.

All I am saying is, I reserve my negatives for those whose intent it was to just screw me, and not honest mistakes.
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I'd agree with you for the most part except for,
I waited something around one more week and emailed and PMed him but got no reply
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He may have started out communicating but then it stopped, he wants to contact the post office while you wait and have nothing when something has obviously gone wrong on his end.

He may not have had malicious intent but at the least indifference to a degree whether or not the OP got his item.

I've only left 2 negs and they were well earned, actually I have left more than 2 but the others were changed after the sellers explained more in depth what happened, so you can change a negative later if more facts come to life
 
im back just recently...... i see a lot of flaming....sorry for the issue.... never tried to scam you. but i understand why you made this post.

scott
 
So this is the best post you could actually come up with? Back from where a trip to the moon? Why not tell your side of the story? As that is what everyone here wants to see at this point. Right now it looks like you could care less with that post. Before I add you to the list. I would like to see a excuse or something from you though.


onefatguy said:
im back just recently...... i see a lot of flaming....sorry for the issue.... never tried to scam you. but i understand why you made this post.

scott
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Wow, this is an old one.....if onefatguy wants to explain himself, he can PM me and Ill open this up for him, otherwise there is no point in letting it stay open
 
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