Popularity of overclocking

Discussion in 'Overclocking & Cooling' started by Staples, Jun 4, 2019.

  1. Staples

    Staples [H]ardness Supreme

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    I hear less and less about overclocking as the years go by. Has the popularity of it been dwindling? Other explanations can be due to fewer people on the forums and the PC market not being as hot as it once was.

    It was super popular with the Celeron 300Mhz chip because you could get a 50% boost without much effort. I have not read about OC in many years but can these gains be gotten with air like they could one day? Whenever I see pictures of systems these days, they all have either AIO liquid coolers or custom ones. The fact of the matter is, those cost a lot of money, probably more than a faster factory clocked CPU which would do just fine with a cheap air cooler.
     
  2. Mode13

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    Overclocking is much more prevalent than it ever was now IMO. I think the issue you're seeing is just forums quieting down about it as results aren't as extreme, AND guides aren't really necessary outside of googling for the maximum suggested voltage unless you really want to spend days dialing the chip in because all that's required is bumping up a multiplier and cranking the voltage instead of the much more intricate guides to bus overclocks.

    most mainstream youtube channels and reviews always overclock and share their results. Everyone in my circle always just hints at what they hope every new chip will OC to (like everyone hoping the new Ryzen 2 chips can hit 5ghz now).

    The celeron 300 was amazing, that chip sold solely because of its ability to OC so high it could compete with a pentium. Modern CPUs (esp Ryzen) and GPUs are pushed quite close to their limits and tend to require water cooling for any actual gain. The last GPU that I REALLY enjoyed overclocking was the 980Ti since they came between 1000-1200mhz and almost all could hit 1400-1500 with ease, which was massive performance. Likewise I haven't put much effort into intricate research and forum posting about overclocking a CPU since the LGA775 days when it was a tad more complex to dial in higher clocks.
     
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  3. travm

    travm Limp Gawd

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    Fewer bsods at stock. Overclocking used to be about getting more for less. Now it's more like adding a fart can to your civic to get another 5hp.
    The last time I felt the need to overclock was on the amd FX platform.
     
  4. Staples

    Staples [H]ardness Supreme

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    Well that makes me feel better about my choices of motherboards I've been using. I saved the $100+ and got non overclockable motherboards and multiplier locked CPUs.
     
  5. mustang-SVT

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    yeah, I think OC is a dying hobby. desktop pc in general.

    not because of consoles,, but because of the phones.
     
  6. BlueFireIce

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    It used to be more about deep understanding and tinkering, understanding board and RAM selections to work better together etc etc. Lots of work, and lots of posts about it, from people needing help, to those giving feedback on what they did and what worked. That has changed a great deal. One, we have far fewer chips that can see huge gains in clock speed over stock, and the addition of boost speeds that can make better and better use of upgraded cooling system, as well as OEM provided software OCing, that back in the day was laughed at because of how bad it was, today is more than capable of giving solid OCs, though hand OCing will still result in lower voltages and maybe a few mhz higher clock. As such, fewer people are interested in days or weeks long testing of the best OC, when we are talking maybe a 5% gain and a little lower temps over just clicking a button.

    We have also seen the amount of CPU power in the last few years skyrocket in core counts, and more GPU bound gaming as a whole along with VR and the like. When was the last time we had a game that really beat up HW that a 500mhz OC on the CPU resulted in huge gains? As DX12 gets more and more use, CPU power should become even more efficient, as well as making better use of the abundance of extra cores we have access to today, assuming the games workload can take advantage of it.

    Myself, as I get older, I have far less free time to bother, but more money to just buy higher end parts. I also have less time to work on something that becomes unstable, and more and more just want something that just works when I do have free time from my job.
     
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  7. kirbyrj

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    I think that with the advent of the "turbo boost" it's a lot less necessary. Back in the day there was a lot of performance left on the table from NOT overclocking as pretty much all chips of any generation were the same with various multiplier locks. Now the chips are basically binned to the point where you buy the high end chips for a higher boost (both with Intel and AMD).

    Honestly, I haven't felt the need to overclock since I had my delidded 7820X.
     
  8. TheFlayedMan

    TheFlayedMan Limp Gawd

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    I guess part of it is if you buy a reasonably specced system now it could potentially still be useful in some capacity in 10 years time, given the slowdown in single core performance increases. The same could not be said back in the day when you knew you would be replacing the system in 2 to 3 years anyway.
     
  9. Dan_D

    Dan_D [H]ard as it Gets

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    The thing is, overclocking is easier than ever. There isn't that much to discuss. You set your voltage and occasionally load-line calibration or something like that. It's pretty much the same on Intel and AMD platforms now. Its super easy. Intel CPU's still give you far more headroom than AMD chips do, but they are virtually the same in terms of achieving your maximum OC. There is also the fact that clock speed is still king, and single threaded performance still matters. The turbo frequency adjustment automatically done by the system, or invoked via PB2 or PBO eliminates the gains achieved by manual overclocking. That said, I've done a bunch of the benchmarking and there is still something to be gained by overclocking. It doesn't translate to massive gains in most cases, but it can under specific circumstances. Believe it or not, 1080P is fairly CPU limited. So if you are pushing for super high frame rates on high refresh rate monitors, it can be of use. At 4K, some games can dip below 60FPS even when using an RTX 2080 Ti. Adding even a few FPS can be worth while in those cases.
     
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  10. JRZoid

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    The delid job on the 7700k was trial and error...actually shaved the bottom of the lid a little and you want the LM applied well.. and yeah it STILL runs ICY and 5ghz mark on AIR that one about yeah the 1.35v
    But most are not handy with the shit etc...and like I said it is a little finicky getting it to seat back/glued just right for it.

    But no not that difficult...and well worth it...you'll never go over 80-85c ever again....

    But I mean I don't know something to do...

    I'll offer a Delid Service or something etc lol
     
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  11. GoldenTiger

    GoldenTiger [H]ard as it Gets

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    Silicon lottery already is a trusted site offering delid services. That isn't what this thread is about though.
     
  12. Nenu

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    Its not that it is less necessary, its that what we buy these days is already clocked near the max. As you said using turbo boost/GPU boost.
    The performance per generation has not improved enough to account for it, presenting less value for enthusiasts.
    They have restricted how much power can be used with none moddable bios, removing another source of performance and enjoyment.
    PC hardware is less clockable and less fun.
    It was clearly going to go this way eventually but the large price jumps alongside are too much.
    We need better value.
     
  13. JRZoid

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    ^Ryzen has no headroom what do you think? besides that..for the average Joe it's fine. I don't even see the need for zen 3 yet...gonna leave it at 4.2 and I'm fine with that. it's not hot at all...the Mugen 5 does a hell of a job on it.
    They are gonna run for some time. Everything has been worked out and it's successful. Time will tell the Undisclosed and actual Vrm war that went on and still assuming in question tho. besides what they don't want you know we can get away with quite a bit lesser/shitter vrm now.
     
  14. travm

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    Dont even suggest we can get away with shittier VRM, we literally just got over motherboards that would burn the skin off your hand if you touched the vrms to check the temps.
    Bad VRMS are Bad.
     
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    Their running ok/cool mostly...hwinfo tells me like idk hit like 56c after R20 etc..not too bad.
     
  16. Niner21

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    I used to overclock years ago when I was younger. I don't do it much now. Don't really have time to devote to making things stable. I'm happy at stock settings for stability.
     
  17. drescherjm

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    My dual processor Celeron 300A got me started. I believe I had it running at 466 or greater (although my memory is fading on the details)..
     
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  18. amittalkin

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    Now a days most of new "overclockable" CPUs comes with auto tuning ( lets say Ryzen? ) which automatically max out to stable overclockable frequency without any manual intervention from end user. All You need is proper cooling and compatible hardware.
     
  19. KATEKATEKATE

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    i agree that the gainz to be made just aren't enough anymore to make OC'ing the treasured ritual it once was. an extra 10% for free is nice but back in the day "overclocking" meant in practice getting an extra 20 minimum and quite often more like 50%.

    for posterity, my most glorious overclocks of yore-
    dual 1.6Ghz Xeons overclocked to either 2.4Ghz or 2.6Ghz on an ASUS PC-DL
    Pentium M engineering sample at 2.8Ghz on an Aopen 915G board
    Core 2 Q6600 at 3.6Ghz on a shitty G31 board
    i7 920 @~4.2-4.4Ghz on an EVGA something

    Haven't even bothered overclocking the Ryzen 1600 build i put together this spring.

    As for GPUs, all the recent NV cards I've tested (1070, 1080, 2080) have offered respectable perf. boosts- but there was no challenge there, nothing really to discuss. The one glimmer of old-timey methodical overclocking challenge (aka FUN) lately is the secondhand Vega 64 i got for my aforementioned Ryzen rig. A month in and I've gotten some significant and hard-fought efficiency gainz and there's plenty more room for tweaking once I get better cooling on it.

    Not much hope for CPU overclocking anymore I fear. I doubt we'll ever again see midrange value smashers like the Celeron 300A, or the 2.6C Pentium 4, or the Q6600, etc- there's just no longer quite the Mhz gap between low and high-end to take advantage of, it's mostly about the core count. Not to mention the locking out of overclocking on modern low-end chips. Maybe the 3Ghz Sandybridge i5 in my backup system could hit 4.5 like it's - K siblings, but I'll never know because there's no way to even try!
     
  20. Keljian

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    I’ve never actually had a really good overclock. Though not for lack of trying.

    The best overclocks I’ve had were (at best) 20% increases over stock. Note below is all cores for multi core chips.

    • 9700k 4.3->4.8 (AVX 0)- could probably do 4.9-5.0 but didn’t push, very little to be gained for significantly increased thermals
    • Ryzen 1700 3.2->3.7 could do 3.9 but at a very high power/temperature
    • 5775c 3.2 ->3.75
    • Q6600 2.4->3.0 would do 3.1 in a pinch, but 3.2 was not stable despite enormous cooler
    • Athlon 64/3000+ 1.8->2.0 clawhammer
    • Athlon 600, 600->625
    • K6-2 233->250
    • 486sx25->33 (ok so this is 30% or so, but about 28 years ago)
    I would love a 50% overclock, but I just don’t think the chips have it in them these days. Take the 9700k for example, it has a stock voltage of 1.35 for all cores and even with huge cooling, unless you’re very lucky you won’t get a chip that can do 5ghz under 1.3v.

    The chips that do are destined for the 9900k where the peak voltage is 1.25v. I reckon this was deliberate in the way intel bins chips, if they can’t hit the clock at 1.25v, they disable hyperthreading and sell as the 9700k

    Sadly this means you end up with a chip (9700k) that uses the same amount of power as the 9900k, when set to the same speed per core, while doing 20-30% less work on heavily threaded loads.
     
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  21. pendragon1

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    my last really great OCer was my duron 600 that did 1133.
     
  22. demondrops

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    some gfx cards boost prety close to max anyway. my card throtle at 1950 anyway from heat, and it's FE. my cpu clock gave me a significant boost in fps but hardly anything from my gpu, but it's quite a jump from stock settings. some 5820k's can go 1ghz from stock that on 6 cores is prety amazing, that is massive in terms of OC. the 5820k really turned out to be a gem for pc gaming, it was so affordable when i bought it also, and i thougt nothing could be future proof. and everyone was getting those 4 cores :D

    with that said, im so comfortable on fps anyway that power/temp slider maxxed out with a agressive fancurve is more then enough. i was thinking to get me a g12 but. ima wait and see what these super cards will be like, or wait for 7nm nvidia.
     
  23. Mav451

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    Keljian Some of those were lower than expected, especially the Clawhammer (2.4Ghz typ?) or the Q6600 (3.6Ghz typ?). The latter would've gotten you the 50% especially.
    My buddy's e6600 used to do 3.6Ghz, but I guess some degradation hit and he just set it back to 3.2Ghz.

    • Opteron146: 2Ghz to 3Ghz (50%)
    • i5 750: 2.67 Ghz to 3.95 Ghz (48%)
    • i5 4670k: 3.4 Ghz to 4.7Ghz (38%)
    • e8400: 3GHz to 4Ghz (33%)
    • 2600+ XP-M: 2Ghz to 2.6Ghz (30%)
    • 2100+ Tbred B: 1.73Ghz to 2.2Ghz (27%) - pretty funny that this was my worst one; though it was paired with the rush to get 400FSB or better on nForce2.

    demondrops Great call to go 6-core then. I, otoh, was just a penny-pinching bastard. I probably don't even have my current rig if there wasn't the fire sale on the Z87-UD4H (see the $74.99 Microcenter price), just 2 months after Haswell had launched.

    I am still hoping that Zen 3000 series ends up being fun to overclock with - the key part being some effort or manual tinkering required to extract tangible performance increases. Buildzoid better not be lying to me lol.
     
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    The 3200+ (clawhammer) was the one with high amounts of cache so I am not really surprised about the lack of overclock.

    The Q6600 however I was thoroughly disappointed with
     
  25. FrgMstr

    FrgMstr Just Plain Mean Staff Member

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    8600K. 4.3GHz stock to 5.2GHz. nothing to sneeze at.
     
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    Yes that is what I'm talking about. I really enjoyed the trick of making a 2500+ into a 3200+ back in the day on my trusty Abit NF7 board. Also liked overclocking many of Celerons back in the day.
     
  27. chameleoneel

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    Hardocp ran a few articles on delidding for Skylake and Kabylake. Where were you? ; )

    Since Kabylake, Intel's are as overclockable as they've ever been, IMO. However, I don't think MHZ are king, anymore. I think cache and memory bandwidth are far more important to the performance of modern CPU architectures. Its why the Broadwell processors with Iris EDRAM as an extra cache, still rival or beat the newer chips in performance. Cache is a big part of why i7 perform better than i5. Lots of articles showing how faster ram improves CPU performance. AMD just doubled their caches for Zen 2.

    Nowadays, I'd rather buy a slightly slower processor and put the extra money towards faster RAM.