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PC having problems booting, only boots sometimes

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chaos1986

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I have recently bought an NVidia GTX470 and when i first tried it, it booted fine, then the PC wouldn't come back on, after fiddling around i got 5 fast beeps, then it powered down as soon as i powered it on, now after taking it out, and putting it back in making sure all the wires are fitted it comes on, first time it froze at the windows welcome screen (horizontal line) now it's booted fine and been on 10 mins, the drivers are working and i'm getting basic 3D graphics.

I am assuming it is my crappy 800w winfast power supply, but i need ur advice
 
Replace the PSU. Regardless of whether or not it's the cause of the problem, that PSU is definitely too crappy for the GTX 470. Something like the Antec TP-750 would be a good choice.
 
I will do, i have no other way of finding out, and it seems the more i plug in, the less it actually wants to start and more unstable it becomes.

Right the only PC store near me is PCWorld (yuk!) and the choices of power supplies are limited, they are as follows


ATRIX Black 80+ High Efficiency PC Power Supply Unit - 650W - £59.99

HIGHPOWER 500W ATX Power Supply Unit - £49.99

ATRIX 720T 80+ High Efficiency 720W PSU - £69.99

HIGHPOWER ATX 650W 80+ - £69.99

HIGHPOWER Rock Solid Series 80 Plus ATX Desktop Power Supply Unit - 1000W - £109.99

I will most likely buy the 1000w one, but i have no idea when it comes to power supplies, you can read more information on www.pcworld.co.uk (select power supplies and select multi-GPU as all the others are crap)
 
All of those PSUs are crap, but out of them the 1000W unit is the one that is probably the least crappy.
 
There is atually a maplins store didn't know they sold components.

1000W iCute Modular ATX Quad VGA Power Supply

950W XPower GTX Extreme ATX PSU

both £99
 
Stop looking at shops first, and then the products.

You're in the UK, not the US or Mexico, so you've no excuse. There are better e-tailer choices, a wider price range and more competition than over there (who seem to be restricted to a few massive e-tailers like newegg; and they rely heavily on manufacturer RMA's which should tell you something). If you restrict yourself to chains like pcworld (not recommended) and maplin, you've only yourself to blame when you end up paying more for crap components.

Do yourself a favour and pick a good quality PSU from a good manufacturer (e.g. seasonic, corsair, enermax (etc.) are all good/safe choices ) "first" and then find a good e-tailer. Not the other way around. Check out established e-tailers like scan.co.uk for example. Use tools like "google" (specifically google shopping) to find both reputable e-tailers and your product.
 
echn111 said:
You're in the UK, not the US or Mexico, so you've no excuse. There are better e-tailer choices, a wider price range and more competition than over there (who seem to be restricted to a few massive e-tailers like newegg; and they rely heavily on manufacturer RMA's which should tell you something). If you restrict yourself to chains like pcworld (not recommended) and maplin, you've only yourself to blame when you end up paying more for crap components.
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This literally makes no sense. There are more e-tailers in the US than you can shake a stick at, and they don't "rely heavily on manufacturer RMA's.
 
chaos1986 said:
There is atually a maplins store didn't know they sold components.

1000W iCute Modular ATX Quad VGA Power Supply

950W XPower GTX Extreme ATX PSU

both £99
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Neither of those are any good.

Looking through the entire PCWorld.co.uk store, there's not a single PSU I'd use let alone recommend for a gaming PC.

Can't you order from www.scan.co.uk?
 
Well I'm in City of Leeds, West Yorkshire, England. and there are no computer shops in the whole city except commercial ones
 
chaos1986 said:
Well I'm in City of Leeds, West Yorkshire, England. and there are no computer shops in the whole city except commercial ones
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There are no good computer component shops because that is not where people buy quality component components.

Last time I checked, Leeds was still part of the UK, so the post about the UK e-tailers still applies. Re-read the previous posts.

In fact, if your whole PC is built from poor quality parts from places similar to PCWorld, no wonder you're having problems. I highly recommend you run a series of health and stress tests on your whole computer. There may be multiple things wrong with your PC.

Paul_Johnson said:
This literally makes no sense. There are more e-tailers in the US than you can shake a stick at, and they don't "rely heavily on manufacturer RMA's.
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Admitedly a slight exaggeration to emphasis a couple of points. There appears to be relatively more e-tailer competition, including both price and product competition in the UK compared to the US. Look at the overpriced crap PC world sells to people who don't know better because they're a chain that advertises massively. But that also means that the opposite also exists which is the good thing about competition when e-tailers compete for your money and the customer is empowered to pick and choose. Some etailers offer free shipping or discounts in addition to low prices if you prove you're a member of a similar forum like this. In the US it appears that you have massive e-tailers like newegg dominating. Perhaps this is more for GPU's, but so many people on this site quote newegg for prices that if it was just another e-tailer, this would appear strange. Like quoting the price of eggs at the local 24/7; just drive 15 miles to another town and the prices (and the egg quality) are different. But newegg appears to be more than just another e-tailer and quoting their prices is sensible.

As for manufacturer RMA, there seems to be more emphasis in the US on this compared to the e-tailer's RMA. Case in point: you'll see people pay a premium for XFX and EVGA over identical products from other brands, in part, because of their reputation for customer service and RMA. Few people ever discuss the e-tailers' RMA first, and brand second.

But I admit, it's been a while since I was in the US, so I'm open to being wrong about some of this.
 
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echn111 said:
Admitedly a slight exaggeration to emphasis a couple of points. There appears to be relatively more e-tailer competition, including both price and product competition in the UK compared to the US.
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This is because you only see a few big names because of where you are. From here we only see really one e-tailer for GB.

Perhaps this is more for GPU's, but so many people on this site quote newegg for prices that if it was just another e-tailer, this would appear strange.
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Because Newegg was our largest advertsiers for years and they have one of the best databases for sorting product.

As for manufacturer RMA, there seems to be more emphasis in the US on this compared to the e-tailer's RMA. Case in point: you'll see people pay a premium for XFX and EVGA over identical products from other brands, in part, because of their reputation for customer service and RMA. Few people ever discuss the e-tailers' RMA first, and brand second.
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Because the e-tailer did not manufacture the item and once the return period is up your support is through the manufacturer. One of those periods is going to be longer than the other. Further, many many brands specifically state not to contact the e-tailer for service and support but them directly.

But I admit, it's been a while since I was in the US, so I'm open to being wrong about some of this.
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It must have been 10 or 15 years and even then things were not like you think.
 
Well i know what i'm buying in terms of equipment, but i NEED my PC operational before tomorrow evening due to work (3D modelling/graphics & game environment design).

Normally i'd turn to Ebay or the likes and get some highly reviewed shit but as it stands i don't have that option available (i've also lost my credit card and have to wait 2 weeks).

I have PC World, Maplins or any other computer shop you can find me that is reachable in Leeds (i don't want to pay extortionate prices for a taxi, and i live in south Leeds), I think i have a Comet as well, there's an industrial estate with all these stores on. It has to last me and be something that isn't going to blow a hole in the space/time continuum or fail.

Specs:
Motherboard: Asus AM3
Processor: Quad Core Phenom II X4 2.60Ghz
RAM: 8GB DDR3 1333Mhz

And currently my graphics card has died (ATI Radeon 5750) and i bought a new graphics card which is a GTX470.

Thw power supply is a bit crappy, it only has 1 lead that goes into the graphics card and i had to use a converter cable thingy, I need a power supply that can handle the card and that has 2 connectors on and is over 650w

Although this power supply might be crap, it has lasted me over a year, and has only been turned off once while i moved house and once when the power went out (both times no longer than a couple hours) and it's done me good
 
echn111 said:
Admitedly a slight exaggeration to emphasis a couple of points.
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Not sure what points you can emphasize by being completely off base and wrong. I don't know how it is over there, nor am I going to pretend to as you just did, but we've got tons of laws here that protect consumers, and quite frankly, we're a bit spoiled. That's why you see lots of newegg and evga references, because they offer us the protection and customer service that we feel we're entitled to. It has nothing to do with lack of competition.

I do agree though that there is no excuse for looking at such low quality power supplies though.
 
turns out that the video card is dead, why is it EVERY SINGLE time i order a graphics card it arrives dead and i have the fuss of returning, waiting, reordering, rinse and repeat a 2 or 3 times 'til i get a working one.

Got the 1000w power supply with 5 year warranty anyway and have my old one as a spare. It's quite a good one from appearence, well it's 1000x better than my old piece of shit
 
Dude, have you ever thought that the PSUs you're using could be killing your video cards?
 
Well i've gotten a good one (and it has good reviews) it's modular and has a fuckoff big fan in it, looks like it was designed for over-clocking or hard-core enthusiasts as it has a little display telling you the voltage. even came with a bag with all the modular cables in :D

This cloud may have a silver lining as the replacement GTX470 has 2 fans on it (last one only had 1)

edit: it also have burnout protection and "Four independent +12V output rails"
 
What PSU did you buy?
What "review" are you referring to?
 
It's still pretty lousy for a 1000W PSU, but it should at least be good enough to run your system.
 
Looks like the same model as the Tuniq "Rippler". Oh well, he won't be loading it significantly I guess.
 
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