This is kinda depressing. Not so much that Alasdair quit as his reasons.
http://lwn.net/Articles/514046/
http://lwn.net/Articles/514046/
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There is Illumian, which seems to be the new distro, taking over OpenSolaris. And there is also Nexenta. Among a few others.Does this change anyone's opinion / decision on using OI / Napp-it for a home built, virtualized NAS? I wanted to go with FreeNAS 8 but ran into limitations within an ESXi All-in-one. I was just about to go ahead with OI / Napp-it but now am not sure what to expect is the better long run approach.
Does this change anyone's opinion / decision on using OI / Napp-it for a home built, virtualized NAS? I wanted to go with FreeNAS 8 but ran into limitations within an ESXi All-in-one. I was just about to go ahead with OI / Napp-it but now am not sure what to expect is the better long run approach.
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Nexenta and other users of the OI code are companies. They are in business to make money. How is contributing to an open source project (and thus giving away their development time to their competitors) going to make them money? Expecting that this will happen is naive.
Many companies contribute to FOSS. Redhat, Canonical, and Intel, just to name a few, have put a lot of effort into open source software and make(d) money. And in "2)" he was talking about the Illumos team not the Linux kernel devs.
Personally, I have been testing ZFS on Linux and will be moving my storage to it. I am much more comfortable with Linux and it's much simpler to be familiar with a single OS.
Not necessarily without cause.
Doesn't change my opinion, which is: as soon as something else is able to implement most of the ZFS features reliably (either linux with btfrs or windows with refs), then I'll switch away from solaris. I don't need/use zones or dtrace or any of the other well known features, I just love what ZFS can do. But there are just enough differences/quirks to be a pain sometimes with solaris that I'd rather use something else.
ZFS on linux is around us, and GPLed ....Well, maybe in a few years they'll re-engineer ZFS to be compatible with the GPL... But they may have to port the 2 ZFS commands into Linux.
ZFS on linux is around us, and GPLed ....
major functions are already in zfsonlinux,
I plan to switch back to zfson linux from OI-zfs ...
Hopefully.. ZFS would be in main kernel stream soon or later......
better waiting ZFSonlinux( many improvements as now) than btfs ( slow development as now)
Doesn't change my opinion either because I too went with Solaris for my home NAS. Similarly, it's not about the OS for me: I'm buying into ZFS, not Solaris v Linux v Illumos or whatever.
The real issue is that I really consider ZFS itself an Oracle owned standard and any fork outside of that I'm not likely to be interested in for a variety of reasons.
But OI does not need to die; maybe it just needs a better leader. However, as a manager in IT perpetually looking for talent, I find it hard enough to hire good people at market rates, let alone find the type of technical leadership skills that would be necessary for a project like this on a volunteer basis.
IMO, OI would be better off if a for-profit vendor truly owned it while retaining the open source philosophy that Sun originally had. Whether or not that's long-term viable is another issue, but it'd be an improvement over the current fragmented approach.
Also FreeBSD works great for everything I've thrown it at which has ZFS v28 in the current stable releases.
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This is what I use and has been around for YEARS (07 ? 08 ?). FreeBSD is also widely used.
Since at present you evidently lack empirical data, please allow me to help fill you in on some of the subtexts to the press releases that apparently serve to inform your post.
zfsonlinux - a US DoD funded cash cow brought about by the GPL and that Lawrence Livermore Labs plans to milk to perpetuity - might be a tad BETA yet for the Linux mainstream.
Indeed, zfsonlinux may be a tad BETA for even Linux application developers, which may explain why porting ZFS to the GPL had to be socialized in the first place - big job, little pay.
Like said, "A few years".
BTRFS? A big improvement for Linux, but...
http://rudd-o.com/linux-and-free-software/ways-in-which-zfs-is-better-than-btrfs
Are the zpools compatible between FreeBSD and the Illumos-based Solaris brands? Or has there been too much divergence?
I found FreeNAS and FreeBSD to both be buggy as hell. No where near as good as Solaris or OI.
This may be part of the reason BSD doesn't dominate the ZFS spaces.
If you're an application developer and the application isn't ZFS related I don't particularly see how ZFSonLinux is going to hinder or help their situation. I've used OI and it has it's fair share of bugs as well.
I used OI for I'd say 4 months or so to figure out whether I was going to use it at home or work. The biggest problem is that OI doesn't support many of the programs that even Solaris supports. I'm not talking about Gnome/desktop stuff either. I'm talking about things like backup solutions. OI is relatively limited compared to Solaris and it's no contest at all comparing either to Linux. What makes it worse is that the programs that are compiled for OI usually aren't as stable as other solutions which compounds the issue. The lead was absolutely correct.
For work I would go straight up Solaris. For home? I would do ZFSonLinux. The additional programs really add a lot if you know you're way around Linux.
DetailS?
FreeNAS is vastly different than FreeBSD. I've found FreeNAS buggy. I haven't found FreeBSD buggy.
All this speculation that ZFS on Linux "just works". Hint: if ZFS worked on Linux without significant problems, Oracle would have already have it on Linux, or bought Red Hat outright. And I'd probably use it too.
Hmm I wonder if we can still change repositories and upgrade to Solaris 11 Express.Rsync and NFS and cron have kicked ass for years, if you know your way around Linux...
All this speculation that ZFS on Linux "just works". Hint: if ZFS worked on Linux without significant problems, Oracle would have already have it on Linux, or bought Red Hat outright. And I'd probably use it too.
I've spent a few months with OI151 on bare metal myself. It's buggy and unsupported, and the irc isn't much help to a new user. I use S11 for a lot of the reasons you and Alasdir mentioned.
Doesn't mean OI, as the only free and open source Solaris, isn't worthwhile.
Rsync by itself isn't a backup strategy when you are dealing with large datasets. There's a reason why Solaris supports just as many backup solutions as Linux and the reasons aren't imaginary.Rsync and NFS and cron have kicked ass for years, if you know your way around Linux...
All this speculation that ZFS on Linux "just works". Hint: if ZFS worked on Linux without significant problems, Oracle would have already have it on Linux, or bought Red Hat outright. And I'd probably use it too.
I've spent a few months with OI151 on bare metal myself. It's buggy and unsupported, and the irc isn't much help to a new user. I use S11 for a lot of the reasons you and Alasdir mentioned.
Doesn't mean OI, as the only free and open source Solaris, isn't worthwhile.
Since at present you evidently lack empirical data, please allow me to help fill you in on some of the subtexts to the press releases that apparently serve to inform your post.
zfsonlinux - a US DoD funded cash cow brought about by the GPL and that Lawrence Livermore Labs plans to milk to perpetuity - might be a tad BETA yet for the Linux mainstream.
Indeed, zfsonlinux may be a tad BETA for even Linux application developers, which may explain why porting ZFS to the GPL had to be socialized in the first place - big job, little pay.
Like said, "A few years".
BTRFS? A big improvement for Linux, but...
http://rudd-o.com/linux-and-free-software/ways-in-which-zfs-is-better-than-btrfs
As I've said before, the S11 11/11 release had a serious bug that crippled ARC for some folks (it wasn't clear why&when this happens). Basically, the ARC would get cleared down to almost zero and a kernel flag set that prevents it from ever growing. It was a silly bug (now fixed by Oracle), but unless you have a support contract (big bux) or they release a new ISO, you're stuck.
http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/2012-January/050664.html
be warned.
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I don't believe I said that. But I am using for it home use and I've experienced no more issues than when I used OI. It's not speculation I'm using it now. Different issues? Yes. More? Nope. It's OK for home, but I wouldn't put it into enterprise use. At least not yet. We'll see.
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not speculations on zfsonlinux, this is on going work. you can see zfsonlinux milestone.....
All this speculation that ZFS on Linux "just works". Hint: if ZFS worked on Linux without significant problems, Oracle would have already have it on Linux, or bought Red Hat outright. And I'd probably use it too.
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