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1) We are talking about ZFS, not virtualization. I've never had a reason to try freebsd as a vm or as a host.
2) Never had a day-long install (what hardware are you trying this on?)
3) No use for zones
4) I have no issues with hardware, practically EVER and I've used OpenBSD since the 2.x days & FreeBSD since the 4.x days.
5) pfsense is OK, but it helps if you've worked with openbsd pf (I have for MANY years before tackilng pfsense). I've been using OpenBSD as a firewall distro sine the 2.x releases.
6) FreeNAS (was/is?) buggy & limited compared to freebsd.
7) FreeBSD is documented VERY well (see freebsd handbook). Ports & packages are super easy to install.
not speculations on zfsonlinux, this is on going work. you can see zfsonlinux milestone.
it works without significant problems, try it by yourself
Frequent crashes: F17/18/19, CentOS 6.3 & Ubuntu 12.04; multiple reasons.
The CDDL was created to be GPL-incompatible, in part over ZFS, and is worth billion$. Oracle would just about have to go into receivership, or ZFS would have to be obsoleted by something else (nonprofitable) before they relaxed the CDDL for ZFS on Linux with nothing in return. Nonstarter. Too much fkn $$.
'Competitors' Oracle and RedHat have become quite cozy of late. A lot more going on than just Oracle's RHEL tracker/clone and UEK and RHEV. There's 'positioning'.
Watch Oracle snap up the leading enterprise Linux provider on the planet, or become RHEL's "ZFS partner" as soon as their numbers show significant competitive threats in the enterprise Linux ZFS segment. ?
Then again, RHT's board could well have immunized their company from just this sort of thing, which is why it's playing out the way it has...?
[/(speculations)]
You can be pretty certain both ORCL and RHT have kicked around the idea in one form or another.
centos 6.3 with zfs, pretty solid, there are some issue with it. tried on ubuntu and had problem where I stop to use ubunut for awhile.
I am lucky enough ?....
we will see your speculation.
you are talking a business practice know
I do not see oracle will buy redhat in near future..
nothing is immunized. we can go one way another.
as I mention on my posted,CDDL is no compatible with GPL, there was some discussion about CDDL (sun at that time)
one example on never ending discussion -> http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-list/2006-June/msg03623.html
oracle can not relax CDDL,unless they switch to any license with GPL compatible.
Redhat is cozy? can you explain..
partnering are not always buying at the end
.you have to distinguish "company" and "developing" on GPL spirit
Redhat and other companies provide their effort in kernel and fixes too.
ZFS would not absolete in near future (4-5 years in my expectation) unless we have a stable breakthrough filesystem.
RHEL-ZFS(oracle)? heheh I do not see in a long run..
you can read RHEL scalable filesystem -> http://www.redhat.com/products/enterprise-linux-add-ons/file-systems/
Redhat has their own business model and let them drive...
we will see your speculation in the future
Talk about what you want, but the title of this thread hasn't changed...
Anything. To make a fair comparison to a desktop OS like OI, you got to go a little beyond a BSD storage server. You have to compile X (or suffer the consequences), and then get Gnome 2 and a fairly significant number of BSD binaries happening on ZFS.
That's you. I'm interested in a fair comparison to OI. Not your lack of use for an architectural milestone that comes standard and high-functional with an 11-minute OI desktop install.
How many confirmed kills? I do sorta like the way FreeBSD does device drivers. Ya know pretty quick if it's gonna work...
Awesome. It seems a fair bet you've accrued quite a skillset too, no? Maybe you've got a lot of time/energy/emotion invested in BSD as well?
You may want to check out the etymology of the name "pfSense" when you get the chance. It has some relevance.
Napp-it is not. Neither is OI.
In fact, FreeBSD is buggy and clunky compared to OI, and Napp-it makes OI into a sweet storage server with a single wget and a reboot into a new BE.
COMSTAR's pretty cool too.
Yeah...And on a given day, about 50% of them will work as expected...
Never mind FreeBSD's "fine grained" approach to updating or removing packages/dependencies, with BSD in general you are gonna have to roll up your sleeves to do a lot of things OI does effortlessly.
I like BSD and FreeBSD. But it's no match for OI or Solaris 11 once you try to make a fair comparison.
That's why the consensus here favors OI if you can't do Solaris, and it's not really a tricky decision at this point.
Speaking of points: We Open Source users stand to lose a lot with Alasdir's resignation.
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Indeed.
Oracle rebrands RHEL as a drop-in CentOS replacement and respins RHEL into UEK to value-add Oracle's db and other packages. Far from being uptight about that, RHEL works closer and closer with Oracle instead of becoming rivals. Compare with Ubuntu.
partnering are not always buying at the end
Sure.
You want to distinguish between Open Source, and the GPL too. They are far from synonymous.
ZFS won't be obsolete for a lot longer than that...
True that. They can drive their own company pretty well. They have $19 billion in market cap from people who agree with us with more than words.
ORCL has $160 billion and an apparent willingness to follow through with their "Best in [enterprise] class" slogan/metaphysic. They do Linux for business. They do elastic clouds. They do databases. They do HRM and CRM and ERP.
I wouldn't be surprised if they played more golf with each other than with the crew at Canonical.
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