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Official Crysis 2 Thread

While the game has 3700+ console commands only 47 of them are accessible in the retail version. The demo and apparently the leaked beta (cannot confirm the beta as I did not play it) had access to all 3700 commands including the ability to change graphics options. Honestly I would not be quite as upset about the graphics options if they at least left the console unlocked so that we could use all the commands. Currently the FOV commands are the only graphics related commands we have access to.

Overall I have 3 major complaints about this game:
Lack of ability to change graphics options
Some control options that favor consoles (checkpoints, lack of quicksave, weird leaning)
Lack of tie in to Crysis 1/warhead (no mention of nomad/pscho yet, or the cold effect yet, prophet was only in the game for 2 minutes)

Gameplay and graphics wise the game seems pretty solid. I actually like the suit changes for armor (it actually feels like your suit is armored rather than just extra health mode) and I feel like the graphics are better for the most part. (foliage is not quite as good, but then again there really arn't many trees) The engine feels well optimized and runs very well for as good as it looks and is one of the better looking engines out there on the market right now even though it is lacking in direct x 11.
 
I played about 3 hours last night, and really enjoyed the game. I am surprised that a DX9 game looks this good.
 
Social gaming does not equal online gaming. Screaming into a bluetooth headset during BLOPS is not social gaming. Playing Wii Sports with your family is social gaming. Online shooters are faux in that sense.
 
xorbe said:
I don't get it. There are lots of titles that many people wouldn't pay for or play.

Why does this one get extra hate? Did everyone pre-order or something?
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Nope. That "MoD CrOwD" ie; I dump a ton of cash into my rig so I could show off, got the D11 shaftaroo. Pretty damn funny really. I have done, you have probably done. But only a couple of times. These knuckle heads never learn. :confused:


The need to impress can never be tamed:eek: Goodness...
 
xorbe said:
I don't get it. There are lots of titles that many people wouldn't pay for or play.

Why does this one get extra hate? Did everyone pre-order or something?
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People wanted it to fully use tri SLI so they could e-peen brag to hell and back about it. Instead, a game was released that a majority of people can play at 1080p. e-peen'ing won't happen, thus the outrage.
 
Zepher said:
I played about 3 hours last night, and really enjoyed the game. I am surprised that a DX9 game looks this good.
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Exactly. When do we ever get the full DX of the time experience? Do we even need DX11 yet? Nope. Have we really used DX10 to the fullest. The graphics card companies and their followers sure do though.
Again when will these knuckle heads learn.....:D

Anyway the next great thing will be DX12 or DX13, when the next consoles get released. So just hold tight...;)
 
sd11 said:
People wanted it to fully use tri SLI so they could e-peen brag to hell and back about it. Instead, a game was released that a majority of people can play at 1080p. e-peen'ing won't happen, thus the outrage.
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I see. So they wasted a ton of cash to play a game before it was out. Should I buy that Cold Air Intake for the 2014 I have been eyeing?
 
Let me start off by saying that I am an exclusive PC gamer. And I too feel a bit cheated by the consolization of C2 and the promises of DX11 at launch as well as all of the other things missing from the past games in it's consolization. But it is still a great game (single player anyway)!

While I understand where Kyle is coming from I do think he is way off base compared to most PC gamers. I for one am glad I can play the game on max settings @ 1920x1200 with my GTX580 now and not 2 years from now.

Most of us are not as fortunate to have the level of hardware available to us as Kyle does. He has been spoiled by this. Not at fault... just saying.

IMO C2 is a VERY GOOD game in every way but we PC gamers are faced with the fact that good PC games are becoming harder and harder to find. Because of this buying C2 was a no brainer for me and I'm glad I did!

While some may feel buying C2 is a waste of $60. I see it differently. I see it as it just saved me $500.00! Now I don't have to buy another GTX 580 to enjoy the game. I can enjoy it now and I am!
 
Khakimon said:
Just the hardcore is getting it's ass kicked. :eek:
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Depends on what you mean by hardcore and your tastes. Playing Crysis in 3D Surround and getting wonderful visuals and performance is my kind of hardcore. Tweaking a bazillion settings to get some mirror performance or visual increase with a game that at it's highest settings runs like crap isn't my idea of hardcore or fun though it makes for a great benchmark.
 
DJStevieP said:
Social gaming does not equal online gaming. Screaming into a bluetooth headset during BLOPS is not social gaming. Playing Wii Sports with your family is social gaming. Online shooters are faux in that sense.
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Social gaming can too include online playing. Unless they are bots and then well, that is not to social. So I should not use FaceBook and tell people to suck it in person to truely be social. Isn't that site a social web site that is online and not quite as real time as online multiplayer game that also does split-screen online?
 
ex0du5 said:
Kyle's review is perhaps the most unprofessional piece of video game "journalism" (ha) I have read to this day. I am ashamed to be part of this community. You're all acting like a bunch of kids throwing a hissy fit. Don't like the product? Fine. Vote with your wallet. But don't pretend for one second that you're reviewing it in any unbiased fashion whatsoever. Arguments supporting your criticisms have simply amounted to substanceless whining.
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How is that a review? It's just what he thinks of the game, it's not like it's going to appear on metacritic or something.

Also you heard it hear folks. Don't talk about Games or anything unless you absolutely love it. No negativity allowed on this guys internet. This is the first time anyone has ever said anything bad about a game they didn't like. If you try to support your reason for not liking it you're a whiner!!
 
Kyle speaks the truth. I also hope Yerli chokes on a flaccid dick as well. I have just cancelled my preorder for this console shit on Steam.

Thankfully I live in EU and it does not release till Friday 25th.

Looking forward to Battlefield 3 and it's DX11 PC centric gaming. Screw Crytek.
 
Khakimon said:
I see. So they wasted a ton of cash to play a game before it was out. Should I buy that Cold Air Intake for the 2014 I have been eyeing?
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I don't think people really upgraded their systems specifically for this game. There is just an expectation that a new engine from Crytek should really push the envelope.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Cryengine 3 looks basically on par with Cryengine 2.

Don't call it a new engine if it's not a GENERATIONAL difference in visuals. On top of that, Crytek repeatedly stated PC would be first, the game would support DX11, etc. and that all turned out to be pure fabrication.

Imagine if Valve released source engine 2 and games looked identical to L4D. It just wouldn't make any sense.
 
sd11 said:
People wanted it to fully use tri SLI so they could e-peen brag to hell and back about it. Instead, a game was released that a majority of people can play at 1080p. e-peen'ing won't happen, thus the outrage.
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Thanks! I just started Crysis last week (*cough*) with the Crysis+WH two-fer pack on Steam ... I'll get to C2 oh like a year from now, lol.
 
heatlesssun said:
Depends on what you mean by hardcore and your tastes. Playing Crysis in 3D Surround and getting wonderful visuals and performance is my kind of hardcore. Tweaking a bazillion settings to get some mirror performance or visual increase with a game that at it's highest settings runs like crap isn't my idea of hardcore or fun though it makes for a great benchmark.
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True. I was leaning more toward the end of your comment. I think you can do that already with the version that is out. At least I can and my rig is not super high dollar.
 
heatlesssun said:
No, Kyle speaks his opinion and insults. And the insults aren't going to produce one iota of PC centric content. This is the truth.
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FranklyShankly said:
And what is? Buying whatever they produce and not asking questions?
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Not at all. But rants and insults don't equal real reviews.




Heartfelt rants = reviews now? Not for me.

I understand the passion behind Kyle's rant and disappointment. I've got some mixed feelings about this game myself. I haven't fully decided yet how I feel about it.

What he wrote is no different vs any number of typical forum posts around here. Are those reviews now? I don't think so.


But with all due respect to Kyle and anyone else: That was NOT a "real review."

My two cents. When the smoke settles and the anger dies down a little bit, I'd like to see a real followup. Some people are already trying it with Crysis 1 vs 2 screenshots, benchies, youtube videos, and the rest.

If he felt like it, Kyle and his crew could do that and blow this thing out of the park. :) Then THAT would be a real review and a stellar one at that even if people didn't agree with all of it.
 
Savoy said:
Yes that's true and that's his opinion and he's entitled to it like anyone else here. Doesn't make him the be all end all in gaming does it? No it doesn't. It's just 1 man's opinion. Kyle's opinion carries weight I get it. He has the communities respect here as well as my own but there's a point where I see ass kissers and then I have to call bs. There are people in this thread that are bashing this game to pieces without playing it or giving it any fair shake just to get on the wagon. Again I share the same issues alot of you guys do but there's a point where I have to say this isn't rocket science, we aren't curing cancer and this isn't life or fucking death. It's a godam game and in games you either have fun or you don't. Or you can bitch about every little fuckin thing that annoys you and gets in the way of ANY fun ever. Ask yourself which you are....

I can see why he's annoyed and what bothers him since I share some of the same sentiments. However I also think he went way over the top in his assessment and I also think as a result of his rant on the front page it gave free rein to all the trolls to jump on the bandwagon. Somewhere between the trollers,ranters and over exageraters is the truth.
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I'd like to see some reasoned, thoughtful posts so I can make up my mind about this game, and wading through garbage posts is time consuming.

QFTMFT

Before the 'shit on Crysis, bitch about it on this thread' front page post, this thread *was* rapidly filling with people's opinions as they played through the game. Immediately thereafter the thread exploded with 'fuck Crysis/Yeril/consoles' and hasn't let up since.

Basically, Kyle's post acted as a giant troll that succeeded wildly, and anyone wishing to discuss Crysis 2 should start up a new thread. I'm still on the fence and would like to see some real opinions and not recycled bullshit, FUD and console blame games.

:rolleyes:
 
TomGreen321 said:
How is that a review? It's just what he thinks of the game, it's not like it's going to appear on metacritic or something.

Also you heard it hear folks. Don't talk about Games or anything unless you absolutely love it. No negativity allowed on this guys internet. This is the first time anyone has ever said anything bad about a game they didn't like. If you try to support your reason for not liking it you're a whiner!!
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Semantics. Whether it's a review or not, it's an editorial piece that reflects poorly upon HardOCP, and in my mind, has eliminated any shred of integrity the site still had.

Most of the complaints around here seem to center around the fact that the game isn't a champion of PC gaming, and it doesn't support DX 11. The game should be reviewed for its own merits, not according to some arbitrary precedent. To scream "bad graphics! corridor shooter! brainless console drivel!" is an insult to anyone who has played both the original and Crysis 2, and it's clear most arguments here are by posters who have no intention of playing the game in the first place. The "graphics suck" comments are equally laughable...the only games that even compete on a similar level are the original Crysis and perhaps Arma 2. This is still one of the best looking shooters on PC.

Does the game have issues? Yes. Is it a downgrade in some ways? Yes. Are certains settings needlessly obfuscated and the interface overly streamlined? Yes. However, the game has its own merits. It's demonstrating a level of polish that it's predecessor lacked. Besides the poor mouse look (which is fixable with a command), the streamlined controls actually result in faster and more deliberate control of your character. While not as open as the original, the game still allows for many of the same tactical choices as the original (though I find misdirection to be somewhat less useful here).

To champion the original as anything but a pretty, innovative, but very flawed game is unwarranted. It allowed for dynamic combat and intelligent misdirection (for the most part). It looked pretty. However, the second half of the game was little more than a linear, and poorly designed corridor shooter. The boss fights were boring, unimaginative, and borderline annoying (in the case of the final boss). The dialogue was laughable (no improvement here). Also, the campaign was extremely short, clocking in at little more than 6 hours.

From what I've played so far, Crysis 2 has not matched the high points of the original, but it's certainly maintaining a better pace, polish, and overall quality. We'll see if I run into any terrible aircraft carrier style levels.
 
Khakimon said:
Social gaming can too include online playing. Unless they are bots and then well, that is not to social. So I should not use FaceBook and tell people to suck it in person to truely be social. Isn't that site a social web site that is online and not quite as real time as online multiplayer game that also does split-screen online?
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Facebook is not *actually* social either. Faux-social. Social equates to actually conversing with people. You know, people that are there. Online gaming is the furthest thing from being social (aside from single player gaming).
 
After reading much of this thread, I have but one more point:
If I have to enter console commands or edit a text file, the software is broken.

Welcome to 2011.
 
ex0du5 said:
Semantics. Whether it's a review or not, it's an editorial piece that reflects poorly upon HardOCP, and in my mind, has eliminated any shred of integrity the site still had.
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Fair deal, but let me NEVER see you post anything negative about my comments from here out as you are obviously biased. In fact, you will not be reading anything [H] any more so I guess that was your last post. You hypocrites are funny.
 
Q-BZ said:
I know you're pretty letdown right now and angry but do you think you'll follow this up at some point with a more detailed review of sorts? Screenshots, benchies, youtube videos, Crysis 1 vs 2 the bloodmatch? :)

That'd be awesome if you did. I'd be happy to spring a couple of bucks or something to help make that happen if need be.
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Already discussed and in the works soon as we finish up with Dragon Age II, since we felt it was more important since it was not released as a DX9 title.
 
Q-BZ said:
Not at all. But rants and insults don't equal real reviews.
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You are so far off the mark. I did not write a game review, I gave a few sentences with my opinion. If you don't like the way we handle things, don't let the door hit you in the ass.
 
eggrock said:
I'd like to see some reasoned, thoughtful posts so I can make up my mind about this game, and wading through garbage posts is time consuming.

QFTMFT

Before the 'shit on Crysis, bitch about it on this thread' front page post, this thread *was* rapidly filling with people's opinions as they played through the game. Immediately thereafter the thread exploded with 'fuck Crysis/Yeril/consoles' and hasn't let up since.

Basically, Kyle's post acted as a giant troll that succeeded wildly, and anyone wishing to discuss Crysis 2 should start up a new thread. I'm still on the fence and would like to see some real opinions and not recycled bullshit, FUD and console blame games.

:rolleyes:
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Do us a favor and just stop posting on [H]ardOCP. It is Kyle's business/ concern and he has EVERY RIGHT to make his opinion known.

The USA has a democracy which means freedom of speech. Don't like it.. then take a hike to Libya...
 
I'm sure I'll get flamed for some of these opinions on it but here were my thoughts on the game summarized into a more reviewy type format:

Like:
Suit Effects - The new suit effects are very good, especially armor. Armor feels like your suit is actually armored and cloak looks sharper and more like your suit is actually doing it. Your suit also has a lot more depth and texture to it. There is also a new suit mode for thermal vision called nano vision.

Graphics engine - The engine seems quite well optimized and is one of the better looking graphics engines out there. It runs very smoothly and looks great with a lot of fantastic effects. I feel like everything looks better then crysis although occasionally the folliage is a little lacking compared to crysis 1. The people in the game look absolutely fantastic. No it does not support directx 11, but I still think it looks great.

New suit interface - While similar to the old interface the new one feels a lot faster and like it is more tied to your actual suit instead of just being an arbitrary menu system. In addition everything looks more like it is actually displaying as a HUD on your suit visor. Your suit will now occasionally highlight different tactical options as well.

Animations - There are now a lot of animations for opening stuff, closing doors, jumping on stuff and climbing that involve moving your hands and feel very much like you are actually climbing up a ledge I think they were very well done.

Weapons - The weapons look better and there appears to be better variety then in Crysis 1

Major Dislikes

Lack of graphics options - you can adjust FOV, resolution and 3 graphics settings that's it. Motion blur gives me a head ache and there is no way to turn it off. This is a huge negative for me (esp since I know the options to adjust all these settings exist as you could modify them via console in the demo)

Lack of tie in to Crysis 1 - There are aliens...that's about it so far for the tie in. Prophet dies in the first 2 minutes of the game and gives you his suit. So far there has been no mention of Nomad or Psycho or the events that transpired in crysis 1. The aliens are nearby but for some reason now they have lots of red highlights instead of blue highlights. Also there has so far been no tie in to them absorbing energy (hence the hold spheres). Also there has been no explanation to what happened when prophet went back tot the island.

Some consolized controls - Prone has been removed. The lean keys have also been removed. There is still the ability to lean in the game ut it is this weird combo of holding mouse button 2 and other buttons that feels awkward to me. The also removed the change fire mode button you now hit the weapon button again to change it's firemode (which for me leads to occasionally being in single shot when I want full auto)

Crappy characterization - so far the only two people who talk to me are this dude name gould (who I don't really know much about) and my suit. I feel like my guy has much less character then in previous games.

Some MP bugs - currently there are multiple bugs with multiplayer including but not limited to not being able to redeem preorder bonuses, having to reenter your cd key every time you play and getting cd key already in use messages.

Minor annoyances

Linear - Granted it's an fps which always tend to be linear, however the city aspect makes it feel much much more linear then Crysis/Crysis Warhead/ Farcry which all had a fairly open feeling. I wish there were different streets you could go down or something so that it did not feel quite as much like you were being herded down specific hallways.

Weapon capacity - in crysis 1/ crysis warhead you could carry 2 big weapons and a pistol. You could also dual wield pistols. In crysis 2 you carry 2 weapons that's it and can only single wield the pistol. I don't understand why I can no longer have a sidearm.

laser - the laser is no considered a sight so you can have a laser OR reflex/acog/sniper scope even though the laser goes on the front of the gun and the reflex/acog sniper goes on top of the gun.

no zoom - you could zoom in with your visor/binocs in crysis 1, why can't you anymore

locked console commands - Part of this ties into graphics options but there are 3774 console commands for cysis 2. We know this because they were available in the demo (many of which provide fine control over graphics options like motion blur, bloom, AA, shaders etc) these were apparently also available in the leak but I cannot confirm that. In the retail release there are 47 console commands you can use, that's it.

General verdict

While the game play is solid the game suffers very much from being developed for consoles, more so than almost any other game I have seen other then force unleashed. The game also has very little tie in to the original. I would say it is worth playing at some point but not worth $60. I would wait until it is on sale for $30-$40 before buying it, either that or at least hold off on your support until they add the ability to adjust graphics settings. I will try to post a full review after I have finished the single player and done some more multiplayer.

hope this is helpful to someone
 
Hey I think that was a great quick review grey spectre. Im definitely not going to buy it at the 60 price point. I really liked the first 2 installments of the series, this feels kind of like a lateral move or even a step back, so I will hold off for awhile on my purchase. I have plenty of other games to play, and there are plenty of other great games coming out soon.
 
I actually have to agree.


Frankly the companies who were built by the PC need to take some flack if they want to mine the hills for gold.




Crytek used Crysis and farcry as a way to good their foot in the door for the consoles. Hey more power to them.


But dont tell us you care about the PC, go disppear into anonymity because the thing that made you special wasn't your games, it was your willingness to push tech.



Crytek just went from being a big fish in a small pond on the PC to a very small fish in a very big pond.


Crysis 2 may sell well enough. Crysis 3 will be overshadowed and the writing may well be on the wall.


Be clear: They are no bioware or id or even epic and they cannot survive in those waters.
 
Wow, I've kept my Crysis 2 comments to a minimum as I've only played the demo and not the full version. Based on that experience and what I'm reading, I think I've concluded the following:

I can light $60 on fire and come out ahead. At least that way I can be down $60 without actually having to waste time with the actual game. Same result, but with time saved. :D
 
Dan_D said:
Wow, I've kept my Crysis 2 comments to a minimum as I've only played the demo and not the full version. Based on that experience and what I'm reading, I think I've concluded the following:

I can light $60 on fire and come out ahead. At least that way I can be down $60 without actually having to waste time with the actual game. Same result, but with time saved. :D
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..and a prettier light show.
 
FranklyShankly said:
And what is? Buying whatever they produce and not asking questions?
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Money talks, the more PC gamers that buy it versus consolers the more likely we'll see PC content. If sales are strong for the PC and weak for the consoles it'll be more likely that we'll see that DX11 would be my guess.

Honestly PC gamers are shooting themselves in the foot hear. I wish there were a game company that produced nothing buy awesome PC only games. I'd buy multiple copies of them all. I don't like consoles, I just hate the experience all the way. I'd rather have SOME PC content rather then none whatsoever. Sure I could vote with my wallet and not buy these games. And then guess what NO PC content AT ALL. No PC gaming isn't dying but I certainly don't see many people wanting to develop big budget PC exclusive games much, do you? I don't play StarCraft or WoW or Civ. I like straightforward,beautiful action games and I like them on the PC.

So if I'm being a blind fool buying this game then so be it. Beats being an empty handed one. But I like it and it's the smoothest running AND best looking game I've played to date on my 3D Vision setup.
 
FWIW, I just sent out 80 game codes for JC2 and Mafia II for those of you that entered the MSI contest we have been running the last couple weeks. Check your PM box.
 
heatlesssun said:
Money talks, the more PC gamers that buy it versus consolers the more likely we'll see PC content. If sales are strong for the PC and weak for the consoles it'll be more likely that we'll see that DX11 would be my guess.

Honestly PC gamers are shooting themselves in the foot hear. I wish there were a game company that produced nothing buy awesome PC only games. I'd buy multiple copies of them all. I don't like consoles, I just hate the experience all the way. I'd rather have SOME PC content rather then none whatsoever. Sure I could vote with my wallet and not buy these games. And then guess what NO PC content AT ALL. No PC gaming isn't dying but I certainly don't see many people wanting to develop big budget PC exclusive games much, do you? I don't play StarCraft or WoW or Civ. I like straightforward,beautiful action games and I like them on the PC.

So if I'm being a blind fool buying this game then so be it. Beats being an empty handed one. But I like it and it's the smoothest running AND best looking game I've played to date on my 3D Vision setup.
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On the flip side, if many PC gamers buy it they think they can simply make the next one the same console garbage and we will continue to buy it.
 
heatlesssun said:
I wish there were a game company that produced nothing buy awesome PC only games. I'd buy multiple copies of them all.
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I don't know if I'd buy multiple copies of them ALL, but I get what you're saying. Because it was just too awesome to have only one spot on my shelf, I do own two copies of The Witcher (original release and enhanced edition), and I'd buy a third if they would release a fully patched director's cut edition to retail.
 
Modred189 said:
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That right there is a disgrace. I have read that the cfg is going to be unlocked and everything available for tweaking that way. I certainly hope this is true. I also hope motion blur can be turned off for real, not just placebo off as for changing the cfg for the demo.

Crysis looks great for a DX9 game. I will give it that. Hoping the game play and mechanics are solid. I had some fun playing the demo, wont be able to play the retail before 24th here in Europe.

Over all I am very sad about this manifestation of the current state of PC gaming though.

Oh and no LAN, thanks. Now we need to run a dedicated server to play it through the internet for our april 1st. LAN, grrrr! How difficult is it to code LAN capability, how expensive is this for a dev? :rolleyes:
 
eggrock said:
I'm looking for intelligent opinions from people that played the game before I buy it, or wait, or pass. Hence my frustration with your sad review and direct link to this thread; the result is nothing but more garbage to wade through, just like Crysis 1.
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You can't tell a review from a rant and I am the one that is sad?

And honestly, if you were that disgusted with it, you would not be here spending your time in our cesspool of PC fun.
 
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