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***Official Catalyst 4.3 Thread*****

Originally posted by spacefarts
The COD problem I have is the occasional lockup, it was at its worst for me in the 3.10 drivers, the 4.1's were the best IMO for COD, on my machine anyway, I didn't get any lockups with the 4.1 drivers, however some of my other games were lacking in performance with the 4.1's so I went back to the 3.7 drivers yet again, only because everything works on my machine with those drivers, but heh COD is slower with that driver set.

As far as doing research, I dont think most did as much research as I did when I was shopping for a new video card, I read all the reviews on the 9700pro when it came out and I waited 6 months after the release, I figured the longer I waited the more horor stories I'd here, to my surprise even after 6 months after the 9700 pro was released, there were the same amount of bugs in the 9700pro as there was with the GF4 TI4600, so I figured it was safe, I got the card, everything was great, no issues, then the release of the 3.10 drivers, one month after I got COD the 3.10 drivers were released, and the game locked up on me ever 4min to the point I had to reset my box, I went back to the 3.8 drivers and still had lockups, went down to the 3.7's and had no issues what so ever outside of the speed, I was getting 11fps less in COD with the 3.7's than I did with the 3.10's, the release of the 4.1's I thought, HEY! maybe they fixed the problem, sure enough COD ran fine, then I got in the mood to play some madden 2004 and to my surprise, AA wasn't working! so again I had to go back to the 3.7 drivers, the 4.2's came out, same thing, COD ran fine, Madden 2004 still had the AA bug, then to my surprise, I noticed that UT1 had a gamma problem, where all of a sudden I was unable to adjust the brightness of the game, I opened the game and it was to dark to play, I have filled out several bug reports on this to ATI but they have yet to fix the problem, if your not experancing a problem with UT1, run the game in S3TC mode, not OGL or D3D and you will see what I am talking about.

So there you have it, 3 of my fav. games, 3 big problems that wouldn't exist if I had an Nvidia card..

If only Nvidia would make there GPU's run with the same timings that the ATI GPU's do, maybe then ATI would be forced to fire some people in there driver team and get there act together.

how we get one set "3.7's" to work with everything, then everything after introduces one more bug, and fixes a few.

What we need is Nvidia drivers for the ATI video cards LOL Maybe then I'd be happy.
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you know, i had an entire novel written up to respond to this but i dont think you wouldve understood it. simple fact of life as far as im concerned is that ive been using Catalyst drivers since the 2.4s and have never had problems with them at all. COD ran beautifully on my 9500Pro....UT2k3 was like butter the entire time i ran it, Need For Speed undergound is pretty impressive and smooth as well. maybe its just me, but ive been thru 6 reformats since the start of the year and every time ive not had problems at all. shit i even made a change over to a new mobo and no problems. maybe im just lucky and the computer gods love me? :confused:
 
Originally posted by B1zz
simple fact of life as far as im concerned is that ive been using Catalyst drivers since the 2.4s and have never had problems with them at all. COD ran beautifully on my 9500Pro....UT2k3 was like butter the entire time i ran it, Need For Speed undergound is pretty impressive and smooth as well. maybe its just me, but ive been thru 6 reformats since the start of the year and every time ive not had problems at all. shit i even made a change over to a new mobo and no problems. maybe im just lucky and the computer gods love me? :confused:
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This is me exactly.....never a single problem, and it's been great. ;) :D
 
I just upgraded to the 4.3's and I've been having a couple of problems, before I uninstall them I want to see if they match up with anyone elses experiences.

First and foremost my computer seems to be more unstable which seems to be linked to Rivatuner (14.3). Whenever Rivatuner is running I get random crashes and the like which never happened on 4.2. Turning it off solves it.

I am now also getting the white spots on textures that I used to only get when I oc'd a tad too far. I'm running 440/800 but it was always fine before.

X2 is running slow as molluses now, I used to run 1600*1200 2xAA no worries but now it can't do 1280*1024 2xAA without crawling on SETA. Bit odd.

Do you reckon it's the drivers or just a random bork. I'm not sure as it just seems like odd symptoms to have for a driver problem.

Main Components are;
P4 3.0 oc'd to 3525
1GB Corsair Ram
Asus 9800XT running 440/800
SB Audigy XS2 Platinum Pro
2*160GB Maxtors
Sony DVD/R

Other shit like Z680's and my USB devices wouldn't really make a difference would they.
 
Max Payne 2 and X-Wing Alliance both say that no 3D card is present. Yet, I can run Armed and Dangerous, Painkiller Demo, etc. and no problems. This was upon a 4.3 upgrade. Will go back to 4.2 and see what happens.
 
Paralysis: I had no problems with the 4.3's and Max Payne2. I uninstalled the 4.2's (used the Omega drivers), and then ran driver cleaner to be sure everything was gone before putting on ATI's 4.3's.

Really looking forward to Omega's 4.3 release as I've always preferred his drivers to Ati's (for image quality, etc).

Kared
 
Originally posted by fallguy
Saying ATi cards work with 1/2 of the games out there is just ignorant.
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Either ignorant or the person making this ridiculous claim hasn't a clue how to setup and run a system.
 
I uninstalled the 4.2's (used the Omega drivers), and then ran driver cleaner to be sure everything was gone before putting on ATI's 4.3's.
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Awsome, so i'm not crazy for doing this. i always used to think it was funny to use driver cleaner when I was just changing to different versions on the Cats but i've actually run into things along the way that were solved by COMPLETELY removing the old ones. Just little stuff like things that I've noticed with newer versions that I dont' usually get with the 3.9's.....running driver cleaner fixed it righ up.
 
Is there a way to use these drivers and lock your refresh rate at all resolutions at 100hz ? I'm not seeing such a thing and I want to discontinue the use of a refreshforce program. Kill 1 more computer process and add to the better of the world ;)
 
Man, I'm glad i can't even tell the difference between 60Hz and 85Hz.....so much less work for me to do and less things to worry about. ;)
 
That's because all you do is spend money and benchmark corn. ;) Old eyes don't have much in the gaming world - Harr
 
Originally posted by Kared
Paralysis: I had no problems with the 4.3's and Max Payne2. I uninstalled the 4.2's (used the Omega drivers), and then ran driver cleaner to be sure everything was gone before putting on ATI's 4.3's.

Really looking forward to Omega's 4.3 release as I've always preferred his drivers to Ati's (for image quality, etc).

Kared
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Yes, but you have a 9800 where I have an 8500. It's not the same to make that statement.
 
Originally posted by Paralysis
Yes, but you have a 9800 where I have an 8500. It's not the same to make that statement.
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True.

I will say thought that with the 4.3's Max Payne 2 refused to get past the first "novel scene" when starting a new game..........which is the first time I've really run into an actual game issue with the Catalyst drivers. going back to my beloved 3.9's fixed it right up though. ;)
 
Cat 4.3s seemed to fix Sub Command again. Which is cool. Too damn bad the next release will probably break it again (seems every other release works in it - *sigh*)

FSAA in Raven Shield still broke.

FSAA in Tribes 2 still broke.
 
Originally posted by topslop1
Is there a way to use these drivers and lock your refresh rate at all resolutions at 100hz ? I'm not seeing such a thing and I want to discontinue the use of a refreshforce program. Kill 1 more computer process and add to the better of the world ;)
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First, you wouldn't want to lock all your resolutions at 100hz unless your monitor can do that in all resolutions that you use. More than likely your monitor has different max refresh rates based on the rez you're in.

Second, Refreshforce v1.10 doesn't use any resources, you just set your rez's & refresh rates, hit apply and you're done. It doesn't have to run, it just sets the tables up and that's it.

All I do everytime I upgrade to new catalyst releases is go into ATI control panel and set my max rez to 1600x1200 & set my max refresh rate to 120hz. Then I go into Refreshforce and set each Resolution and it's maximum refresh rate based on what my Monitor spec calls for. Easy as pie, always works in all games I play, opengl & dx. Never have a problem, no resources used. There may be a newer version of reforce, I'm too lazy to look cause v1.10 still works fine for me with Cat 4.3s.

Later
 
Okay, my monitor specs for all 85hz but it runs fine with 100hz in rezes up to 1280x1024 which is the highest that I use. I'm trying out Rage 3D for refresh rates now actually. I will set that thing in the drivers though for max res and max refresh. Thanks.
 
im noticing a huge performance drop from 4.2 - 4.3 like 10fps minimum drop but the max has also gone up. so im annoyed and shall go back to 4.2
 
here is a little of my background so people don't think I am just blowing smoke out my ass on this...spent 7 years at HP and the last 5 one of the things I did was alpha test any updates to all of our internal apps and even a minor change like adding spaces to an existing serial number field for a SINGLE APPLICATION required us to check it against ALL the other apps that would bounce against or were linked to in one way or another....now how does this relate to drivers? very similar concept because what you fix in one application may break something in another

these guys are having to try to write code that is going to work across multiple applications/games and unless they test every configuration for every game there are going to be problems.....and in most cases they are trying to work around issues with the game it's self...think about it...if there are standards for the coding of how graphics are handled in games and the game mfg doesn't follow all those standards...or puts in extra stuff for one platform/vid card over another you WILL have problems...a good example would be a website that works fine with IE but has issues with Netscape....the browsers are looking to a standard and if the website doesn't follow that standard whose at fault?

Now if ALL the game mfg's coded the same and followed a real standard and the ATI's and nVidia's of the world wrote their drivers to the same standards then I don't think there would be any issues but that isn't going to happen....so what happens is these guys do the best they can and try to get their drivers to address as many games as realisticaly as possible but nothing is perfect


edit: this makes a nice post for # 2000 :D
 
Originally posted by gigglebyte
edit: this makes a nice post for # 2000 :D
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Good stuff, I'm nearing 4k pretty soon here in search of becoming [H]ardness Supreme. :D

I'll see ya there.
 
Originally posted by cornelious0_0
Normally I would have said the same thing.....but then I tried some benchies. :(
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yeah this is by far worst driver for performance in a while.

POST #1024
 
Originally posted by Sojuuk
yeah this is by far worst driver for performance in a while.

POST #1024
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yeah, that's what I found too.....I wonder how long it'll take before I find something that'll bench higher then the 3.9's..........

Ah well. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by cornelious0_0
yeah, that's what I found too.....I wonder how long it'll take before I find something that'll bench higher then the 3.9's..........

Ah well. :rolleyes:
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3.9's don't have overdrive :(

and i was talking about total performance not just benchs

lost LOADS of fps in planetside and UT2k4
 
Originally posted by Sojuuk
3.9's don't have overdrive :(

and i was talking about total performance not just benchs

lost LOADS of fps in planetside and UT2k4
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What are you talking about??? Then how come I've got an overdrive tab in my display properties???

Oh I know, I'm not just talking about benchies either.....Unreal and quake and the whole nine yards are all slower with anything other then my 3.9's.....some more noticeable then others.

I don't honestly know why Overdrive would be a deciding factor for using a driver or not though (even though I've got it) as it BARELY does anything for the core (doesn't touch the ram) and won't noticeably speed up your games.....I've never seen a 10MHz core OC improve my games to the point where I can notice it so I just don't see the reason in using it. I'm much happier taking a day to get to my overclock of 442/810 after I know what exactly it's doing.

But hey, that's just me. ;) :D
 
Originally posted by Sojuuk
i just like the temp sensor

im a temp freak.
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I GUESS that's a good enough reason. I don't really like how both Overdrive (in the control panel) and rivatuner give innacurate temps. The sensor that rivatuner is using isn't as accurate as it could be, due to it not being "on die" so to speak. All that the Overdrive screen does is add about 10-20C to compensate for that.

This reminds me all to well of what people keep complaining about with Abit boards reporting high temps. However, I know that my card wasn't running QUITE as cool as rivatuner was telling me so whatever. ;)

I'm not forking over 300 3dmarks just to see a differently innacurate temp in my display properties. ;)
 
Originally posted by cornelious0_0
What are you talking about??? Then how come I've got an overdrive tab in my display properties???

Oh I know, I'm not just talking about benchies either.....Unreal and quake and the whole nine yards are all slower with anything other then my 3.9's.....some more noticeable then others.

I don't honestly know why Overdrive would be a deciding factor for using a driver or not though (even though I've got it) as it BARELY does anything for the core (doesn't touch the ram) and won't noticeably speed up your games.....I've never seen a 10MHz core OC improve my games to the point where I can notice it so I just don't see the reason in using it. I'm much happier taking a day to get to my overclock of 442/810 after I know what exactly it's doing.

But hey, that's just me. ;) :D
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Can you help me find a way to get Overdrive in my properties? I don't understand why I don't have it considering I do have a temp probe and such
 
Originally posted by SkaarjMaster
Ah,Ha!

"then to my surprise, I noticed that UT1 had a gamma problem, where all of a sudden I was unable to adjust the brightness of the game, I opened the game and it was to dark to play, I have filled out several bug reports on this to ATI but they have yet to fix the problem, if your not experancing a problem with UT1, run the game in S3TC mode, not OGL or D3D and you will see what I am talking about."

Looks like a good reason for me to stick with the 3.9s! But I haven't installed any games on my new system yet....soon...soon.
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UT had some render problems. patch to 436, get the updated d3d dll or even better, updated opengl.dll: http://cwdohnal.home.mindspring.com/utglr/

a lot of problems are the developer's "fault", even tho i like epic, they botched this one and great strides have been made since then. 'course, the utglr page says the cat 4.1 and 4.2's are messed up.

i'm stickign w/ 3.9 until i have a problem.
 
ugh! 4.3's are total crap on my system. Random BSOD's even when in regular Windows, occassional screen corruption or blank screen on bootup, requiring a reboot. Same symptoms even after a fresh re-install of OS.

I went back to 4.2 to see if the fresh reinstall will make those work any better, though i'm really considering 3.9's. I don't think i've ever had a completely stable machine using any of the 4.x drivers so far.

Abit IS7
P4 2.4 @ 3.0 (250/200 5:4)
Sapphire 9600 PRO with Crystal Orb
Geil PC3500 (512x2)
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz
WinXP Pro SP1
 
Originally posted by maw
ugh! 4.3's are total crap on my system. Random BSOD's even when in regular Windows, occassional screen corruption or blank screen on bootup, requiring a reboot. Same symptoms even after a fresh re-install of OS.

I went back to 4.2 to see if the fresh reinstall will make those work any better, though i'm really considering 3.9's. I don't think i've ever had a completely stable machine using any of the 4.x drivers so far.

Abit IS7
P4 2.4 @ 3.0 (250/200 5:4)
Sapphire 9600 PRO with Crystal Orb
Geil PC3500 (512x2)
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz
WinXP Pro SP1
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Mine has always been stable with them, just benched slower. It's weird, I've never experienced a BSOD that had anything to do with my ATI cards/drivers but they were a fairly common thing when I had a couple of my older GeForce cards. ;)
 
Originally posted by cornelious0_0
Mine has always been stable with them, just benched slower. It's weird, I've never experienced a BSOD that had anything to do with my ATI cards/drivers but they were a fairly common thing when I had a couple of my older GeForce cards. ;)
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good for you.. i'm thinking there is something with my mobo that this card does not like. the card worked flawlessly in my old MSI KT-133 mobo, but it just can't seem to get it's act together on any driver above 3.9 with the Abit IS7..
 
seeing how many people are having so many problems, i'll be sure to back up my system partition before messing with the drivers. shit, you'd think ATI would do a better job than this at driver updates...
 
Originally posted by codeflux
seeing how many people are having so many problems, i'll be sure to back up my system partition before messing with the drivers. shit, you'd think ATI would do a better job than this at driver updates...
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as others have stated, its not entirely ATI's fault.
You have to figure that the driver team has to write code that works with literally hundreds of software titles running on various combinations of hardware configs, chipset types, software versions, OS versions, user settings, game settings, etc, etc... and they have to get the drivers out the door in a timely manner.

i'm actually impressed that they can keep to their monthly schedule for driver updates.
 
Originally posted by maw
good for you.. i'm thinking there is something with my mobo that this card does not like. the card worked flawlessly in my old MSI KT-133 mobo, but it just can't seem to get it's act together on any driver above 3.9 with the Abit IS7..
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Hmmm... I have had absolutely no problems with any drivers with my IS7-E. As for these drivers, didn't really notice a difference at all.
 
shit, you'd think ATI would do a better job than this at driver updates...
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Come on people, we're not dealing with Macs here. Our computers parts aren't built by apple, for apple, and nothing else. We have chosen the route with our computers where instead of everything being compatible with everything.....nothing is compatible with anything. ;)

Let's all walk proud and not get angry. :p

4.4's to come out soon?
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I'm hoping so.....I'm getting board again, time for some more testing soon I hope. :cool:
 
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