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*** Official Catalyst 4.2 Thread ***

Good stuff guys, all I can hope for now is for the 4.3's to address the remnants of the product lines. Not that I NEED a huge performance jump in any games right now on my 9800XT, but I like free fps.....and who doesn't. ;) :D
 
Originally posted by cornelious0_0
I second that.



OMG, I can't believe how slow I am today.....I didn't see that. That would explain why I didn't really gain or lose any ground. Some scores went up a bit and some went down a bit. the ones that did go down were to the small enough extent that it probly would have been higher by simply running the test again, since your cpu clock is never constant. I found it kinda funny that my 3dmark03 and aquamark3 scores went down at stock clocks (from Cat 3.9) but they went up when the card was overclocked. :)

Whatever, considering this is the first release that hasn't killed any of my numbers to any extent I think I'll leave 'em be until we have the 4.2 Omegas to play with.

I was wondering why Unreal2k3 was the EXACT same (within 1fps). ;)
Heh, same thing happened to me. I skimmed the post on the news page and instantly went to go download them. Then I read all the rest of the release notes and saw it was for those cards. Damn.
 
Originally posted by FiZ
Heh, same thing happened to me. I skimmed the post on the news page and instantly went to go download them. Then I read all the rest of the release notes and saw it was for those cards. Damn.

O well, better luck for us next time i guess. ;)
 
Originally posted by spacefarts
well ATI today has lost my buisness forever, every since after the 3.7 drivers came out, Madden 2004 and UT1 and Worms world party all have issues, Madden 2004 wont render AA, UT1 has a gama issue where once you open teh game its really dark, if you reset the gama in the game its find but once you close and open it again its dark yet again, Worms 6 out of 10 times wont display any video, and also COD is still locking up on me now and again.

3.8/3.9/3.10/4.1/4.2 drivers all blew IMO, thats 5 sets in 5 months that didn't offer any real benifit to upgrading, ever set was faster but every set had a new bug introduced.

For all I am concerned ATI can get a spoon and eat my arse.

my 9700pro is now on ebay, and my Geforce FX card is on the way.

You must have trouble running a clean system.

I've had none of the issues you've described ever
 
Originally posted by ZigZagZeppelin
You must have trouble running a clean system.

I've had none of the issues you've described ever

I guess some people just aren't destined to have nice computers.....o well, not my loss. :D I'm prefectly happy with my 9800XT, nothing you say can/will make me change my mind.

Oh, and FYI spacefarts..........this was REALLY the wrong place to start bitchin' about your card. Read the bloody thread title and see if it makes sense to you. That's like some skinny white guy walking into a gym and calling all the guys workin' out weaklings. You just gotta think these things through, that's all. :p
 
Originally posted by cornelious0_0
I guess some people just aren't destined to have nice computers.....o well, not my loss. :D I'm prefectly happy with my 9800XT, nothing you say can/will make me change my mind.

Oh, and FYI spacefarts..........this was REALLY the wrong place to start bitchin' about your card. Read the bloody thread title and see if it makes sense to you. That's like some skinny white guy walking into a gym and calling all the guys workin' out weaklings. You just gotta think these things through, that's all. :p

Well put. My 9800 pro treats me VERY well ;)
 
Im very impressed to know that ATI is still working on the DX8 cards, even if they're getting a little long in the tooth, it matters mostly to system builders or people looking to upgrade. Ive never known nvidia to do something like that.
 
Originally posted by Wixard
Im very impressed to know that ATI is still working on the DX8 cards, even if they're getting a little long in the tooth, it matters mostly to system builders or people looking to upgrade. Ive never known nvidia to do something like that.

Exactly, this is something nice that I have yet to see done. Little driver refinements like this really help score points for ATI with builders with strict budgets. Someone who isn't going to use the computer for many games at all now has the capability to pick up even something as "old" as the 8500 and get damn near Ti4600 speeds, especially nice if the person won't be overly taxing on the card. It's a completely different kind of budget market but that's still what it is.
 
Originally posted by cornelious0_0
I guess some people just aren't destined to have nice computers.....o well, not my loss. :D I'm prefectly happy with my 9800XT, nothing you say can/will make me change my mind.

Oh, and FYI spacefarts..........this was REALLY the wrong place to start bitchin' about your card. Read the bloody thread title and see if it makes sense to you. That's like some skinny white guy walking into a gym and calling all the guys workin' out weaklings. You just gotta think these things through, that's all. :p

Well we all have to vent somewhere LOL I'm just ticked because of the way 4 of my favorit games are running with this 9700pro card, I've gone as far today to format my system, did a format reloaded XP pro, installed the latest 4 in 1's, installed the ATI 4.2's and my Sound drivers, then did all the MS updates, and installed Madden 2004, still no AA... I went to the rage3d forums and found a fix for Madden 2004 finally, The problem is in the game itself, if you do an alt enter and go into window mode then do alt enter again back to full screen all of a sudden AA is rendered...

Ever since the format Worms world party is running smooth again and COD I got maybe one lockup in the 3 hours I played it so... Guess I just needed to format LOL you would think with it just being 3 months since I did a format and reinstall of XP that things would be ok.. I was wrong.


Sorry for sounding like an idiot earlier, we all get frustrated sometimes,,, shit happens I guess.
 
After installing 4.2's I am having a problem with MOHAA. The brightness adjustment does'nt work. Things are pretty dark. Has anyone had similar issues? Any ideas why?
 
Originally posted by spacefarts
Sorry for sounding like an idiot earlier, we all get frustrated sometimes,,, shit happens I guess.

Well at least you saw your mistake, that doesn't happens a lot ;)
so cancel that ebay auction and that FX, becasue if everything still goes on and u loose that 9700pro u are in bad luck :)

Ok, for my opinion on 4.2, it's great, i have played games that were kinda stucking in my machine (wich started to do that in 4.1's, but did not in 3.9) and all of them runned fine.
Moto GP2
NBA 2004 too.
I just have to test crazy taxi 3 because it had a REALLY bad bug with AA, that locked my pc, but i believe this was a game bug, becasue i saw it happens in a GFFX5700 too.
Tell more news latter.
 
Originally posted by spacefarts
Well we all have to vent somewhere LOL I'm just ticked because of the way 4 of my favorit games are running with this 9700pro card, I've gone as far today to format my system, did a format reloaded XP pro, installed the latest 4 in 1's, installed the ATI 4.2's and my Sound drivers, then did all the MS updates, and installed Madden 2004, still no AA... I went to the rage3d forums and found a fix for Madden 2004 finally, The problem is in the game itself, if you do an alt enter and go into window mode then do alt enter again back to full screen all of a sudden AA is rendered...

Ever since the format Worms world party is running smooth again and COD I got maybe one lockup in the 3 hours I played it so... Guess I just needed to format LOL you would think with it just being 3 months since I did a format and reinstall of XP that things would be ok.. I was wrong.


Sorry for sounding like an idiot earlier, we all get frustrated sometimes,,, shit happens I guess.

I'm glad you realised your ways and that it WASN'T soley the 9700's fault. ;) It'd be a damn shame to lose that thing. :cool:
 
Hmm FArCry is definetly a no go for me. It's weird during load the monitor just turns off (meaning usually it is setting a refresh to monitor can't handle) but when I reset the comp its set the gaming resolution (1024x768) so its not the monitor .
 
Hm, maybe it's time I upgraded from 3.7 :D Downloading them as I write this, we'll see how it goes :p
 
Initial impressions with the 4.2's are positive. However, I should note, that this is with the *omega* 4.2 driver package. I really like the included radlinker, and the artifact tester(lets me figure out how far I can really push my ram, which is nice, rather than relying on trying to spot them on my own). Install went smoothly, since I started off with the omega drivers in the first place.

Edit: On that note, how reliable is the artifact tester? According to it, I haven't been pushing my memory NEARLY as far as I could be. Previously I thought my limit was around 304mhz, but I've tested artifact free on "hardcore" mode all the way up to 329mhz at this point. That's an extra 50mhz effective, which is pretty good, is this reliable though?(IE, are there games that will put the card through more stress and thus, cause artifacts more easily, than the artifact tester?)
 
My previous 3dmark score was ~12,800, after upgrading to the 4.2 cat's(no other changes) my score dropped down to ~12,100, and that's WITH the video card ram speed I'm now running. 3dmark says that there was a detected cpu speed variation however, so I would imagine that I need to up my cpu voltage...I thought 1.75 would do it :/ It did last time I bench'd lol
 
Originally posted by Spewn
My previous 3dmark score was ~12,800, after upgrading to the 4.2 cat's(no other changes) my score dropped down to ~12,100, and that's WITH the video card ram speed I'm now running. 3dmark says that there was a detected cpu speed variation however, so I would imagine that I need to up my cpu voltage...I thought 1.75 would do it :/ It did last time I bench'd lol

I've never seen an unaltering driver release like this change a 3dmark score THAT much.....especially when nothing was BEING done with this release for most of us. Are you positive that nothing else got changed around the second time? I'm not saying it isn't possible but seeing as the reviews out there and most of us are only seeing a 100-200 point move either way yours does seem rather off.
 
Originally posted by cornelious0_0
I've never seen an unaltering driver release like this change a 3dmark score THAT much.....especially when nothing was BEING done with this release for most of us. Are you positive that nothing else got changed around the second time? I'm not saying it isn't possible but seeing as the reviews out there and most of us are only seeing a 100-200 point move either way yours does seem rather off.

Upped the core voltage to 1.775, and I benchmarked to 13,022(yay, over 13k :D). I'm pretty sure what was happening is that under load, my voltage was dropping a good amount. The previous benchmark I mentioned listed my cpu speed at 2135, when it's actually 2203. I'm most likely going to do the antec PSU mod to even further stabilize my voltages, because I was able to run prime95 for 19 hours at 1.75vcore, and I don't want to run any higher than I absolutely have to.

I AM however having a problem with the catalyst 4.2 display drivers themselves. I'm not using the DVI adapter that came with my card, I just plugged my CRT monitor into the CRT output. From day one, and with the cat 3.7's, this has worked fine. However now, with the cat 4.2's, it won't output an image to the monitor. I can connect to my system via VNC and run benchmarks etc, but I can't actually sit at my computer and do it. Anyone know why this is happening? Only change was the driver change.
 
Originally posted by Spewn
Upped the core voltage to 1.775, and I benchmarked to 13,022(yay, over 13k :D). I'm pretty sure what was happening is that under load, my voltage was dropping a good amount. The previous benchmark I mentioned listed my cpu speed at 2135, when it's actually 2203. I'm most likely going to do the antec PSU mod to even further stabilize my voltages, because I was able to run prime95 for 19 hours at 1.75vcore, and I don't want to run any higher than I absolutely have to.

I AM however having a problem with the catalyst 4.2 display drivers themselves. I'm not using the DVI adapter that came with my card, I just plugged my CRT monitor into the CRT output. From day one, and with the cat 3.7's, this has worked fine. However now, with the cat 4.2's, it won't output an image to the monitor. I can connect to my system via VNC and run benchmarks etc, but I can't actually sit at my computer and do it. Anyone know why this is happening? Only change was the driver change.

I dunno..........maybe check out Rage3d for some further support or E-Mail ATI themselves and see what THEY say.
 
had the 3.10's and uninstalled them and rebooted. installed the 4.2's and lost 220 points! later i did 3dmark01 again and lost another 17 points. so, i've lost a total of 237 points. sure, these drivers may have fixed game bugs, but if i'm losing performance what would it matter? good either way?
 
Originally posted by csidd
After installing 4.2's I am having a problem with MOHAA. The brightness adjustment does'nt work. Things are pretty dark. Has anyone had similar issues? Any ideas why?

Uh, I'm having the same problem with Call of Duty...nothing seems to work for the brightness...will go and check out the Rage3D boards to see if anyone else is having these problems.
 
the cat 4.2s make the ut2k4 demo crash with my 8500 in about an hour, so i went back to the cat 3.10s:(
 
Well, it's back to the CAT's 3.9 for the meantime...I'm getting the weird gamma/brightness funkiness with Call of Duty.
 
Originally posted by spacefarts
Well we all have to vent somewhere LOL I'm just ticked because of the way 4 of my favorit games are running with this 9700pro card, I've gone as far today to format my system, did a format reloaded XP pro, installed the latest 4 in 1's, installed the ATI 4.2's and my Sound drivers, then did all the MS updates, and installed Madden 2004, still no AA... I went to the rage3d forums and found a fix for Madden 2004 finally, The problem is in the game itself, if you do an alt enter and go into window mode then do alt enter again back to full screen all of a sudden AA is rendered...

Ever since the format Worms world party is running smooth again and COD I got maybe one lockup in the 3 hours I played it so... Guess I just needed to format LOL you would think with it just being 3 months since I did a format and reinstall of XP that things would be ok.. I was wrong.


Sorry for sounding like an idiot earlier, we all get frustrated sometimes,,, shit happens I guess.
Damnit, I was just gonna rip on him.

Glad you found the true problem and didn't have to switch to the dark side for satisfaction :D

4.2's running fine here on a G9700-ProM...of course the only thing I play anymore is SOF2 :)
 
Originally posted by Met-AL
of course the only thing I play anymore is SOF2 :)

loved that game and played it to much. nowadays not to many ppl play though (at least @ 3am) so had to give up on it.:(
 
Well, it's back to the CAT's 3.9 for the meantime...I'm getting the weird gamma/brightness funkiness with Call of Duty.

That's where I stayed for the longest time and honestly.........I think I'm going back tomorrow. ;)

It isn't for Call of Duty (a game I've NEVER had troubles with) but just for the fact that it has given me my highest scores as of yet and I don't really see the point in staying commited to a driver set that isn't even up to par with what I already had/have.
 
All is well with 4.2's in my games, EXCEPT, FarCry Demo...got some MAJOR fugliness goin' on, never ran it on 4.1's or earlier though. I deem it unplayable seeing as how only the II quadrant is visible and all else is baby blue blank screen!!:) Not gonna worry about it at this point cuz its only a demo.
 
Originally posted by spacefarts
well ATI today has lost my buisness forever, every since after the 3.7 drivers came out, Madden 2004 and UT1 and Worms world party all have issues, Madden 2004 wont render AA, UT1 has a gama issue where once you open teh game its really dark, if you reset the gama in the game its find but once you close and open it again its dark yet again, Worms 6 out of 10 times wont display any video, and also COD is still locking up on me now and again.

3.8/3.9/3.10/4.1/4.2 drivers all blew IMO, thats 5 sets in 5 months that didn't offer any real benifit to upgrading, ever set was faster but every set had a new bug introduced.

For all I am concerned ATI can get a spoon and eat my arse.

my 9700pro is now on ebay, and my Geforce FX card is on the way.

LOL Play somes real games and you wouldn't have a problem HAHA
 
Originally posted by mr. nails
loved that game and played it to much. nowadays not to many ppl play though (at least @ 3am) so had to give up on it.:(
Yep, it's starting to die off. I'm in a clan so we still play each nite usually.
 
All Benchmark scores are higher than in CAT 4.2 than CAT 3.10. Only problem is in FableMark 1.0 showing Texture Flickering & in Temple 1.0.6, the benchmark stuck after 5/6 seconds & VPU Recover box appears.
 
I've been using the Cat 4.2 drivers for a few days and so far so good. I no longer get the grixels (gray pixels) in Deus Ex IW and I get none of the the gamma/brightness problems that some have mentioned with Call of Duty. I haven't run any benchmarks all I wanted was to get rid of those damn grixels so I'm happy. :)
 
I've been using the Cat 4.2 drivers for a few days and so far so good. I no longer get the grixels (gray pixels) in Deus Ex IW and I get none of the the gamma/brightness problems that some have mentioned with Call of Duty. I haven't run any benchmarks all I wanted was to get rid of those damn grixels so I'm happy.

Good stuff.

Only problem is in FableMark 1.0 showing Texture Flickering & in Temple 1.0.6

WTF is FableMark??? :confused:
 
Originally posted by Iconz1
All is well with 4.2's in my games, EXCEPT, FarCry Demo...got some MAJOR fugliness goin' on, never ran it on 4.1's or earlier though. I deem it unplayable seeing as how only the II quadrant is visible and all else is baby blue blank screen!!:) Not gonna worry about it at this point cuz its only a demo.
I had that problem with the 3.10 and 4.1 cats, too.

Turns out that the FarCry beta code can't handle AA or AF too well. Turn 'em off in driver and game and you should get your demo back. You might have to uninstall/reinstall FC, though.

As for the 4.2s, I've been running them since day one with no issue although the only games I've played have been the Far Cry demo and Max Payne 2. I did play around with the UT2K4 demo for a couple of hours. No issues, but it's just not my game. Gimme the original UT any day! :p
 
I guess the Far Cry demo is one thing I haven't tried out since I installed the 4.2's. Seeing as my scores have all been very borderline (between 3.9 and 4.2) and some are even higher on 3.9.....the second I have ANY trouble at all i'm switching back. So far so good though, I'll let you guys know. ;)
 
installed them, smartgart still tells me AGP is disabled and fastwrite is off, even though I have them enabled in the BIOS. annoying.
 
spacefarts

well ATI today has lost my buisness forever, every since after the 3.7 drivers came out, Madden 2004 and UT1 and Worms world party all have issues, Madden 2004 wont render AA, UT1 has a gama issue where once you open teh game its really dark, if you reset the gama in the game its find but once you close and open it again its dark yet again, Worms 6 out of 10 times wont display any video, and also COD is still locking up on me now and again.

3.8/3.9/3.10/4.1/4.2 drivers all blew IMO, thats 5 sets in 5 months that didn't offer any real benifit to upgrading, ever set was faster but every set had a new bug introduced.

For all I am concerned ATI can get a spoon and eat my arse.

my 9700pro is now on ebay, and my Geforce FX card is on the way.


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Hate to tell you but i can gaurantee it aint the drivers it's just the kt400 and the 9700 have never played well together lmao.:p

but that aint the catalyst drivers fault thats VIA'S and yours for buying one lol.

As to the topic the 4.1's are running sweet here no need for the 4.2's :D
 
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