Nvidia 280 GX2?

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Hi folks,

Is it true that there is going to be a Nvidia 280 GX2 to beat the 4870 GX2?

Because I am in the stage of upgrading my video card and I want a card that can support 2560 x1600 res and play high end games.

thanks:)
 
LOL.... good luck bolting two of those beasts on one PCB.

If NV is lucky they will figure out a way to 1) get them on two PCB's or 2) make them work.

either way you are looking at 3-4 months
 
The current power consumption of GT200 GPUs is so high that a dual-GPU card seems unlikely at this point. It might be technically possible, but you'd end up with either a very loud heatsink or mandatory watercooling. You'd maybe need three or four power connectors for a single card.

I wouldn't expect a GX2 variant for a while yet. It's possible the next process shrink will make it feasible, but I'm not sure of that.
 
Well, What Video card today will handle 2560 x1600 res and play high end games?:)
 
R1ckCa1n said:
LOL.... good luck bolting two of those beasts on one PCB.

If NV is lucky they will figure out a way to 1) get them on two PCB's or 2) make them work.

either way you are looking at 3-4 months
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Hmmmm, I expect it will happen when they do a die shrink.

BTW, how is the power and heat for the previewed 4870x2? When does that 4870x2 come out for public use? Till then the GTX 280 is the king of the hill.

Also, what do you mean by making them work? NV has been in the SLI game forever. I think your fanboi attitude is getting in your way of intelligent thinking.
 
Just go 3x SLI GTX 280. It'll crush all games at that resolution and even give you about an average of 35 FPS very high though no AA.
 
Depends on case cooling. Mine ran 50C+ at idle and 80C+ under load in SLI.
 
DooKey said:
Hmmmm, I expect it will happen when they do a die shrink.

BTW, how is the power and heat for the previewed 4870x2? When does that 4870x2 come out for public use? Till then the GTX 280 is the king of the hill.

Also, what do you mean by making them work? NV has been in the SLI game forever. I think your fanboi attitude is getting in your way of intelligent thinking.
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If anything you're the one with the fanboy attitude

PCI-E specification only allows up to 300W to a card so 6-pin + 8-pin + PCI-E slot, hence all cards are rated at under 300W right now. Add in the fact that a 55nm optical shrink does not provide nearly as much thermal or power consumption advantage as a real shrink, such as 65nm to 45nm/40nm, and you're still looking at a core at 55nm larger than the G80 was, and it's unlikely they'll have a GX2 card out until 40nm unless they put together two underclocked and undervolted GTX260's in 55nm.
 
after the die shrink they may be able to pull it off, but at current die size, no way.
 
wadec22 said:
after the die shrink they may be able to pull it off.
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It's still a very uncertain maybe cause even the 55nm dies will remain relatively large and complex in comparison to the ATI's 48xx dies.
Besides it takes time and effort to design a dual-GPU card.
I don't think Nvidia will even bother cause the effort won't pay off.
Both companies are now concentrating on the 40nm parts due in spring/summer of next year.
 
unleashed said:
It's still a very uncertain maybe cause even the 55nm dies will remain relatively large and complex in comparison to the ATI's 48xx dies.
Besides it takes time and effort to design a dual-GPU card.
I don't think Nvidia will even bother cause the effort won't pay off.
Both companies are now concentrating on the 40nm parts due in spring/summer of next year.
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i'm not saying it's a lock by any means. but do remember that nvidia knew the 4870x2 was coming. if they plan on a dual gpu card, it's been in the works for some time. either way, as far as i'm concerned single gpu cards ftw. :)
 
I can see a GTX260 GX2 possibly. A card of that nature would run ~$600 at current prices and be quite the competitor for the 4870X2 at whatever that launches for. Not that a GTX280 GX2 would be any harder to make really, but that would cost some ungodly sum of money, MSRP of $1000? I guess NVidia is no stranger to the OMGWTFBBQ Edition cards that cost an arm and a leg though, so who knows? A GTX280 GX2's closest competition price-wise would be Crossfired 4870X2's, which absolutely demoslishes the GTX280 SLI in AoC in the [H] preview. I haven't seen CrossfireX benches elsewhere...did the other tech sites get jealous of [H] for being the only place that got 2 cards? ;)
 
Kowan said:
10 cards were sent out. [H] was one that got 2.
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Hmm of the previews I've seen this is the breakdown:

HardOCP - 2
AnandTech - 1
Legit Reviews - 1
The Tech Report - 1
PC Perspective - 1
Driver Heaven - 1
Total - 7

That leaves 3 other cards out there. What sites am I missing?
 
it will come, Nvidia is not going to give up the high end. the card might be stupid in requirements and price but they will take it back.

I am thinking that the die shrink will help here.
 
I wonder if there will be an nvidia card using GDDR5 sometime in the near future. GTX280 has higher memory throughput than the 4870 by going to 512 bit bus. The 4870x2 has the same effective memory size as the GTX280, but is it any faster reading and writing that memory than the 4870?

The 4870x2 soundly trumps the GTX280 when it comes to overall GPU power and the ability to enable AA, for example the 1920x1200 tests in Age of Conan. At 2560x1600 the GTX280, while still being beaten, closes the gap considerably. This leads me to believe that nvidia still has an edge in memory throughput but lacks in GPU power when competing with multiple ATI GPUs.

I think that memory performance and size has reached a level on these top-end cards where the GPU power will determine the winner unless higher resolutions become available.

 
There's no point for nv to waste more money just to be king of the hill this time. Nvidia should concentrate more on getting out more powerful 9800gt and 9800gtx replacements because the ones coming out are just die shrinks.
 
The GTX280 memory throughput is barely more than the 4870, and a little overclocking of RAM closes the gap completely.

512-bit + GDDR5 is overkill this generation
 
This thing would have sufficient surfance area, and put off enough heat to literally cook a turkey and boil potatoes.
 
Z06 said:
This thing would have sufficient surfance area, and put off enough heat to literally cook a turkey and boil potatoes.
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Throw it in a pot, add some broth, and baby, you've got a stew goin!

Can't wait for the GTX280PE (Pilgrim Edition) refresh on Thanksgiving.
 
If they can't feed that GPU on a 512 bit bus then GDDR5 is not going to help, it might help lower their cost though.

Bottom line is that Nvidia needs

1. Die shrink and improved yields.
2. They need to do some architecture improvements, look what it did for ATI
3. Improve customer relations, ATI wasn't that much better at the current prices to spawn all the Nvidia hatred. Nvidia was milking their customers and the customers knew it, first good chance to jump ship they did. Might have been good in the short term but bad for the companies image. it ended up costing them a lot of customer support. I hope AMD learns from their mistake and does not do the same while they remain on top.
 
Using GDD5 would increase the cost over GDD3 but would allow higher memory speeds.
As to customer relations, working directly with game devs in their TWIMTBP program helps make sure the game takes advantage of their architecture.
 
Kowan said:
Using GDD5 would increase the cost over GDD3 but would allow higher memory speeds.
As to customer relations, working directly with game devs in their TWIMTBP program helps make sure the game takes advantage of their architecture.
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not if it allows them to get rid of the larger bus, the memory is more yes but I believe that it would lower the total cost of the card itself.

I think you missed my point entirely about customer relations. the game developers can do what they want, if people have the perception of Nvidia as a lazy overpricing company who's only adgenda is to milk them for all they are worth, well they are going to go AMD every chance they get. go read some of the post and you will see what I am talking about.
 
Between UMAP, the price-fixing court issue (for both Nvidia and ATI) and the fact that prices dropped so quickly, more than a few people have had eyebrows raised over the actual profit margins Nvidia was getting and how much they were (over)charging consumers, hence a lot of negative publicity
 
I didn't miss your point, I was expanding on what those higher prices allow nVidia to do.
Changing the bus to 256 and using GDD5 would allow lower production costs, but wouldn't come anytime soon.

When ATi had a winner in the 9700 Pro, they didn't follow up working as closely as nVidia did/has/does with game devs. Their GITG didn't receive any where near the amount nVidia invests.

The HD4800 success, hopefully will have them rethinking about working as closely as nVidia does. It's both self-serving and a benefit to those using their products.
 
VE2007 said:
Hi folks,

Is it true that there is going to be a Nvidia 280 GX2 to beat the 4870 GX2?

Because I am in the stage of upgrading my video card and I want a card that can support 2560 x1600 res and play high end games.

thanks:)
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Dude the 280 oc's like a mad man. I run mine at 650 with shaders linked and 2400mhz on the memory and she cuts through COD4 all textures set to extra, 4x AA like butter at 2560x1600 75 to 80 c full load and i am not finished yet
 
Im not sure TWIMTBP is much of an advantage. Look at how well ATI is performing without it this gen.

Last few gens ATI was hurtin so that made NV with thier TWIMTBP look even better.
 
So why would ATI feel the need to spend millions on a developer relations program as big as TWIMTBP when they wont see the benefits ?
 
DeadSkull said:
There's no point for nv to waste more money just to be king of the hill this time. Nvidia should concentrate more on getting out more powerful 9800gt and 9800gtx replacements because the ones coming out are just die shrinks.
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Yes I agree. AMD does so wel because the offer more performance in the 150 to 250 range.
With that, making high-end not so in need.
If midrange can do the job well why spend more on overkill at a much bigger price.

A GTX260+ would be nice.Volume sales. And a GTX260+x2 if also going for the crown.

Because 2 GT200b on performance of GTX280 SLI would draw still around 375 to 425 Watts. That to much to be praktical and economical doable on a single card solution.
 
SuperGee said:
Yes I agree. AMD does so wel because the offer more performance in the 150 to 250 range.
With that, making high-end not so in need.
If midrange can do the job well why spend more on overkill at a much bigger price.

A GTX260+ would be nice.Volume sales. And a GTX260+x2 if also going for the crown.

Because 2 GT200b on performance of GTX280 SLI would draw still around 375 to 425 Watts. That to much to be praktical and economical doable on a single card solution.
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I do not usally get caught up in these types of discussions but I felt compelled to point out that only up until " 5 minutes " ago did ATI do well in the price performance arena. The 8800GT was the king of that category for quite awhile and still holds it own at under 130 dollars
 
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