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Nexus-Five thread

Well, looking at the Google Play Store, the Nexus 4 is fully sold out of both 8gb and 16gb variants. That must be why the prices have been coming up on eBay for used models.

I would suspect, that if you are wanting to offload your N4 at a more decent price, this would be the time to do it, before the N5 launches.
 
I hope the 8gb model shows up for super cheap on ebay or craigslist after the N5 releases.
 
http://www.scribd.com/doc/173744848/LG-D821

So.......someone leaked the entire service manual of this phone. Every technical detail you could ever want to know is contained.

Of course...this could be faked, but it would be one of the most meticulous and detailed fakes I've ever seen.

Specs for the lazy:
4.95" 1080p display
32GB internal storage
2GB RAM
Snapdragon 800 at 2.3GHz
8MP OIS rear camera, 1.3MP front camera
2300mAh battery
Sensors: Accelerometer, Gyroscope, Compass, Proximity/Ambient Light, Pressure
Micro SIM slot
Notification light
Wireless charging
NFC

Support for LTE Bands: 1, 3, 5, 7, 8, 20
Supports CDMA and GSM/HSPA+

Based on no support for band 13, looks like this won't be coming to Verizon
 
...isn't this kind of meh? I kind of stopped reading at 2300mAh battery.
 
Pretty big improvement with the Snapdragon 800.
All new phones have 2 gb of ram right now. Only one that doesn't is Note 3 with 3 gb.
32 gb will make a lot of people happy
2300 mah is kind of meh but it's honestly hard to judge without actually using the phone

Rest is pretty much standard faire Nexus features.

I need to look at the LTE band specs again - I just realized that ATT is on Band 17...and it's not listed there in this manual. Kind of :confused:
 
ComputerBox34 said:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/173744848/LG-D821

So.......someone leaked the entire service manual of this phone. Every technical detail you could ever want to know is contained.

Of course...this could be faked, but it would be one of the most meticulous and detailed fakes I've ever seen.

Specs for the lazy:
4.95" 1080p display
32GB internal storage
2GB RAM
Snapdragon 800 at 2.3GHz
8MP OIS rear camera, 1.3MP front camera
2300mAh battery
Sensors: Accelerometer, Gyroscope, Compass, Proximity/Ambient Light, Pressure
Micro SIM slot
Notification light
Wireless charging
NFC

Support for LTE Bands: 1, 3, 5, 7, 8, 20
Supports CDMA and GSM/HSPA+

Based on no support for band 13, looks like this won't be coming to Verizon
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CDMA and no Verizon? Just wow lol. I'm now 100% sure they are doing everything in their power to avoid Verizon.

Also, 2200mAh on the Moto X is pretty damn good.
 
This particular model isn't likely coming to Sprint or Verizon -- it would need LTE on either band 25 (Sprint) or band 13 (Verizon) for that to be realistic.

Most likely, this Nexus model is for Asian and European countries. The FCC has already revealed a separate North American variant for AT&T/Sprint/T-Mobile/Canadian carriers.
 
Aurelius said:
This particular model isn't likely coming to Sprint or Verizon -- it would need LTE on either band 25 (Sprint) or band 13 (Verizon) for that to be realistic.

Most likely, this Nexus model is for Asian and European countries. The FCC has already revealed a separate North American variant for AT&T/Sprint/T-Mobile/Canadian carriers.
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Correct, D821 is for international use. D820 is for North America.
 
Aurelius said:
This particular model isn't likely coming to Sprint or Verizon -- it would need LTE on either band 25 (Sprint) or band 13 (Verizon) for that to be realistic.

Most likely, this Nexus model is for Asian and European countries. The FCC has already revealed a separate North American variant for AT&T/Sprint/T-Mobile/Canadian carriers.
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That would make sense considering the book does not list Band 17 as being supported (ATT)
 
SolidSnakeUS said:
CDMA and no Verizon? Just wow lol. I'm now 100% sure they are doing everything in their power to avoid Verizon.

Also, 2200mAh on the Moto X is pretty damn good.
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Moto X uses a dual-core/hybrid chip, smaller screen and lower resolution. 2300mah on this screams S4'ish battery life (which is only ok).
 
You also have to take in the fact that (supposedly) the S800 is more power efficient than the S600, plus since it's vanilla Android (less bloatware and less processes running), should really make the 2300mAh battery last longer than the S4.
 
Moto x doesn't have a lot of boat. Yes the S800 is more efficient but that doesn't mean it uses less power, especially since this is dual-core vs quad-core.
 
I personally think this phone will be fine with that battery size. The newer chipset will be lower power and vanilla android has less shit running in the background. I forgot tho people here expect it to last 3 days on a single charge
 
Bman123 said:
I personally think this phone will be fine with that battery size. The newer chipset will be lower power and vanilla android has less shit running in the background. I forgot tho people here expect it to last 3 days on a single charge
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I think you're missing the point - speculation was that this phone was based on the new G2. One of the biggest features of the G2 is the huge 3000mah battery. Given the battery benchmarks, it looked as though we might be in for a phone with >1 day battery life. That is exciting, at least from my perspective. I've owned the G1, the Nexus One, and the Galaxy Nexus; no part of me 'expects' 3 days on a charge. No need to be passive aggressive.

Aside from software, this phone is starting to look more generic with every successive news release.
 
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I will make a wild guess on pricing; 16GB Nexus 5 @ $349, and the 32GB Nexus 5 @ $400. I just hope both Google and LG learned from last year, and don't run out of stock immediately in two minutes :rolleyes:
 
TWISM said:
This is an interesting picture. Says Verizon on the bottom, I know it's not official but we can dream for now, until we know for sure.

https://twitter.com/ich3tech/status/386694133471248385/photo/1
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Nice Photoshop, but I just don't think Verizon is getting another Nexus phone, but who knows ?

Still bummed big time on the 2300mAh battery. And rumors that the screen won't be exact the same as the G2's, but a lower cost cheaper screen :rolleyes: ( I am worried the N4 will have similar battery life as the HTC One, due to both being 2300mAh sized batteries, and similar screen sizes. The One is not terrible, but not great either, where as the G2 has a massive 3,000mAh battery, being 1/3rd larger makes a huge difference. I know the Snapdragon 800 and 4.4 Kit Kat will help the N5 a lot, but still that can not make up a 1/3rd size difference in battery, just wish the N5 was a 100% crabon copy of the G2, sadly it won't be, and Google cut corners in the worse possible spot, the battery )

The LG G2 is an AMAZING device, just runs shitty UI software. I wish the Nexus 5 was exactly the G2, just running stock 4.4 Kit Kat. I'd pay $650 for that, worth the price, with the 3,000mAh battery, and nice 5.2" IPS screen.

OFF TOPIC; How can Google still keep the S4 and One GPE editions @ $650 after the Nexus 5 is out ?
 
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Zorachus said:
OFF TOPIC; How can Google still keep the S4 and One GPE editions @ $650 after the Nexus 5 is out ?
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Because......Samsung.

$650 is the going price of a phone. Until Google can start selling the nexus 5 in carrier stores, the other OEMS have nothing to worry about regarding price.
 
i don't know why people expected full G2 spec on nexus 5
we all knew it was going to be gimped in some way
 
PeeWeePee said:
i don't know why people expected full G2 spec on nexus 5
we all knew it was going to be gimped in some way
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I know, but please don't gimp on the battery of all things. If the G2 has a 3,000mAh battery, and the N5 is based off the G2, then keep the battery, and gimp the camera, no LTE, with HSPA+ being fast enough for me at 42mb/sec and even go 720p screen for all I care, but battery life is #1 most important feature.

Any smartphone I have owned never lasts a full workday for me. I have owned 8 different Android phones in the last three years, they all go into the red low battery zone by 4:00pm on a workday, except the Note 2 I had for one month, that beast could go till bedtime, but was too large a device for my tastes.
 
ComputerBox34 said:
Because......Samsung.

$650 is the going price of a phone. Until Google can start selling the nexus 5 in carrier stores, the other OEMS have nothing to worry about regarding price.
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I agree but with the Nexus 5 most likely selling for around $400, and being a way better spec'd phone than the S4, who the hell would ever buy the S4 GPE after the Nexus 5 is out ? Either Google discontinues it from the Play Store most likely, or they have a fire sale for cheaper than the Nexus 5, until they run out of stock on the S4 GPE's and call it a day.
 
Does the battery cost that much? The G2 has same or better specs with a 3000mah battery, there is no reason to reduce battery unless it makes the phone much cheaper. Or maybe Google just doesn't care - no Nexus phone has had good battery life or a decent camera.
 
Zorachus said:
I agree but with the Nexus 5 most likely selling for around $400, and being a way better spec'd phone than the S4, who the hell would ever buy the S4 GPE after the Nexus 5 is out ? Either Google discontinues it from the Play Store most likely, or they have a fire sale for cheaper than the Nexus 5, until they run out of stock on the S4 GPE's and call it a day.
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Not everyone can use GSM phones, some live Ina eras with only CDMA coverage. That might be a reason? I agree there's no sense buying the S4 which is over 6 months old now.
 
MrCrispy said:
Does the battery cost that much? The G2 has same or better specs with a 3000mah battery, there is no reason to reduce battery unless it makes the phone much cheaper. Or maybe Google just doesn't care - no Nexus phone has had good battery life or a decent camera.
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I'm sure the battery does form a larger part of the parts bill than we might think (I'm sure someone can google the cost breakdown from isuppli or somewhere). I'd be willing to pay another $50 or $100 though on top of the regular cost to get one with a battery that much larger...
 
quadnad said:
I'm sure the battery does form a larger part of the parts bill than we might think (I'm sure someone can google the cost breakdown from isuppli or somewhere). I'd be willing to pay another $50 or $100 though on top of the regular cost to get one with a battery that much larger...
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The bill of materials of high end phones is only just over $200 in total.

The smaller battery is more likely different form while still wanting to meet certain size constraints. Battery capacity is actually higher than the Nexus 4 while also having to fit a larger screen and OIS.

Yes you can make the argument you will also take a larger phone if the battery is larger but at some point there does need to be a design decision regarding size since not everyone feels the same about phone sizes.
 
limitedaccess said:
The bill of materials of high end phones is only just over $200 in total.

The smaller battery is more likely different form while still wanting to meet certain size constraints. Battery capacity is actually higher than the Nexus 4 while also having to fit a larger screen and OIS.

Yes you can make the argument you will also take a larger phone if the battery is larger but at some point there does need to be a design decision regarding size since not everyone feels the same about phone sizes.
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But LG's G2 has a 3,000mAh battery, and the phone for having that large of a battery and a 5.2" screen, is still pretty thin and very compact design. I just wish Google offered up a Play Edition version of the G2, or just built the Nexus 5 off it 100% exact.

Oh well, looks like maybe another Nexus with mediocre battery life at best again :rolleyes: The Galaxy Nexus was horrible on battery, that thing was lucky to get 2.5 - 3 hours On Screen time, just sucked battery, I am talking the Verizon version. And the Nexus 4 was better, I could get 4h On Screen Time easily, but still the phone would die in 10h - 12h overall on a workday, that's still pretty useless, for a phone you need during work, and then want to last into the eveving without charging.

I am just looking for a phone, that can be ran heavy, and not die until like 16 - 18 hours of use, and gets like 7h - 8h On Screen time. Only one phone I ever owned could do that, and thatwas the Note 2, but that beast was just too large for my tastes.
 
Zorachus said:
But LG's G2 has a 3,000mAh battery, and the phone for having that large of a battery and a 5.2" screen, is still pretty thin and very compact design. I just wish Google offered up a Play Edition version of the G2, or just built the Nexus 5 off it 100% exact.
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Well the form is not exactly the same as the G2 which is the issue. The decision likely revolved around the button placement. As you know the G2 has a rather unique button placement which Google likely did not want to carry over to its Nexus line.

You also actually saw a similar issue with the Nexus 4 in where the Optimus Gs capacitive hardware keys were simply just removed and soft keys were used instead (following Google's own design philosophy), hence the rather large wasted bezel space on the front bottom face of the Nexus 4.

Zorachus said:
Oh well, looks like maybe another Nexus with mediocre battery life at best again :rolleyes: The Galaxy Nexus was horrible on battery, that thing was lucky to get 2.5 - 3 hours On Screen time, just sucked battery, I am talking the Verizon version. And the Nexus 4 was better, I could get 4h On Screen Time easily, but still the phone would die in 10h - 12h overall on a workday, that's still pretty useless, for a phone you need during work, and then want to last into the eveving without charging.
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It's likely you will get some battery life improvements though since the battery is larger and due to the S800. Incremental steps.

Can also hope that they actually kept the GRAM feature, granted not very likely :p I'd actually take that over a larger battery.
 
I need a new phone in the next few weeks, after dropping my Nexus 4, and shattering glass back.

I am looking at 3 phones;

- Nexus 5 ( But want to read concrete official reviews first, mainly battery life )

- LG G2, off contract its $575, waiting to see if AOSP ROM's start showing up in development, might get the G2 for its awesome battery life, said to be better than the Note 2 in battery life tests.

- Galaxy S4 GPE, its $650 still on the Play Store, but have to think that will see a massive price reduction once the Nexus 5 releases. No way the S4 GPE will still be worth $650 after the N5 is out. Plus the S4 has removable battery, which could come in handy. I think the S4 GPE should sell for around same or less price than the N5, not more. Or Google will discontinue the S4 GPE since the N5 is out, because if its still $650 who the hell would buy that over the cheaper, and better spec'd Nexus 5 ? No one.
 
It is very unlikely the Google Play Edition version of phones will receive price cuts unless their counterparts do. Also give me removable batteries and microSD or give me death as some would say :p

Regarding G2 battery life it is likely rather usage dependent due to the GRAM feature.
 
limitedaccess said:
The bill of materials of high end phones is only just over $200 in total.

The smaller battery is more likely different form while still wanting to meet certain size constraints. Battery capacity is actually higher than the Nexus 4 while also having to fit a larger screen and OIS.

Yes you can make the argument you will also take a larger phone if the battery is larger but at some point there does need to be a design decision regarding size since not everyone feels the same about phone sizes.
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Definitely, the cost on an absolute basis for materials is low ($200 even sounds high to me), but I'm wondering on a % basis what the battery normally costs. I would have thought the SoC and/or display are typically the most expensive, but who knows. Maybe I'll give that crazy new fangled Google a whirl to see :)

You may be right, perhaps it is decision based around aesthetics. Perhaps it's one based around cost. Perhaps it's both. Regardless, if that does turn out to be the case, I'll be pretty disappointed...

EDIT: wow, the battery really isn't a significant cost if this isuppli teardown of the iphone 5 is indicative.
 
Look at the new generation of Android phones running the Snapdragon 800, that were just released in the last month, they all have two things in common.

- LG G2 = Snapdragon 800 + 3,000mAh Battery and is a thin compact designed phone

- Sony Z1 Honami = Snapdragon 800 + 3,000mAh Battery and super thin phone.

- Galaxy Note 3 = Snapdragon 800 + 3,200mAh Battery, and very thin phone for it's size.

I thought we were seeing a trend here for the new Android phones this Fall, they all have the best newest processor + a huge battery, and slammed into very thin designs. I thought the Nexus 5 would follow suit. What are they saving by going to a small 2,300mAh battery ? And size wise or thinness off the phone shouldn't stop them, these phones above are extremely thin and light, and still have 3,000mAh batteries.

Oh well, looks like another Nexus phone with medium battery life. My hopes of G2 battery life are crushed, but I will wait till official reveal, might be surprised.

My last point, again, why try to save money by skimping on the battery ? Give me a 3,000mAh battery like the other Snapdragon 800 phones, and if you need to skimp, then go lower on the camera, or no LTE, or less storage. In the end, there is no perfect phone, just seems like the quest for the holy grail, there will never be that one best phone with all the best parts, best size, best materials, best OS all in one package.
 
Or maybe 4.4 will address one of bigger issues with Android; power efficiency. I hope this is the case because it's really one of the big advantages iOS has over Android since the iPhone 5/5S can last as long or longer (with some types of usage) than most newer phones with 2300+ mAh batteries.

They could fix it easily if the battery usage screens weren't broken and showed you exactly what's using your battery and not just some generic service name associated with it. Like when it says "Google services" uses X% of your battery; it should be able to break it down and tell you exactly what service it is (Play Music, Gmail, data sync, etc), then give you the option to go into those specifc settings and disable it or not use cell data or something like that. That's just one example, there's several other services that specific settings hide behind and makes it very frustrating to track down exactly what's keeping your phone awake and killing your battery. It would also be nice if they just implement some sort of background task restrictions, so when you enable battery saver mode (which I don't even think Android natively has), it will kill any wake-locks that are not part of Androids core services. That right there would cut down on 90% of peoples battery issues on Android phones.
 
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