Base price of a Mac Pro is $2799. Upgrading to 8GB RAM is $1500 alone; adding in 4 1TB HDDs is another $1650. That's $5949 without even upgrading the video card, which is a freakin' 2600XT.
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thewooster
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No kidding. I've never been a Mac fan (to say the least), and I really don't get what's so great about them. They cost about twice as much (dollar for dollar, hardware for hardware). So basically you're paying for the software and the namebrand. . . If any Mac users want to set me straight, please do, because I just don't get it. . .
I... uh.... don't understand why you guys are arguing about who spends what on marketing, etc...
I watched the commercial, and Apple is implying that Microsoft is misappropriating funds to marketing and advertising, instead of concentrating on "fixing" Vista.
I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit, because I have no problems with Vista. The target of their advertisement seems to be people who are trying to choose between the two platforms, by using a TV commercial to aid in their decision making.
You know who fits in that category? Casual computer users who don't know what they need, or don't care- because they're just checking email, using office apps, and browsing the web. If you are convinced to use a platform because of a TV commercial, what Vista problems are you worried about????
Seriously. If Vista needs to be fixed... what problems, specifically, does Vista have that would affect a user who would fall into the "I switched platforms because of a TV commercial" category?
Anyone want to answer that? I mean, isn't this the main argument here? Right? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills over here... jesus christ....
chrisf6969
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I thought it was quite entertaining.
Apple was beating MS in the advertising (public image) arena, b/c Apple spends so much on marketing, then when MS tries to play a little catch up by spending more on advertising Apple makes fun of them for it.
The pot / black image depicts it perfectly.
MaStaFLaSH
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Oh the irony.
valhallaprime
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Wrong, unless you're configging it right from the factory. Who, in all these forums on HardOCP, configs their boxes right from the factory? Seriously.
4 GB (2x2) FB-DIMM kit for Mac Pro = $150
4 GB (2x2) FB-DIMM kit for Mac Pro = $150
(actually gives me 10 Gigs total, with the RAM from the factory, but who's counting)
1 TB Seagate 32MB cache Sata2 = $130
1 TB Seagate 32MB cache Sata2 = $130
1 TB Seagate 32MB cache Sata2 = $130
1 TB Seagate 32MB cache Sata2 = $130
Who care's that it's a 2600xt? It's not meant to game on. It's meant to work on, and pay the bills. I'm not trying to game on it.
dark_reign
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It comes down to affordability. If you need a new computer and are on a budget you aren't going to buy a Mac no matter how many of those ads you see. Most people don't have the kind of money Apple wants for their computers. With the economy in bad shape, these ads are a complete waste of money. Get a fucking clue, Apple.
Apple are still trying to brainwash people into thinking Vista is a total disaster. That may have worjked a year ago but it's not working anymore. They need to move on and come up with something new. Bashing Vista is old hat.
HardDrugsUser
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The point is that Microsoft tries to convince us that Vista is OK, instead of making it OK.
The bottom line is that Vista is a themed up and bloated version of XP, which took 5+ years to develop.
5 years ago Microsoft was promising us a new OS that will be a technological marvel and will leave behind all the competitors like Linux, Apple OS and many more... It's important for you to understand that OS is not only for running games like you do, but it can be used like a server and other mission critical tasks.
After 5 years of promises we get a themed up XP with no advantage whatsoever over 7 year old OS, not to talk about the competitors.
As for me, I find that neither XP nor Vista can cope even with the simplest things like "file copy".
The bottom line is that Vista is a themed up and bloated version of XP, which took 5+ years to develop.
5 years ago Microsoft was promising us a new OS that will be a technological marvel and will leave behind all the competitors like Linux, Apple OS and many more... It's important for you to understand that OS is not only for running games like you do, but it can be used like a server and other mission critical tasks.
After 5 years of promises we get a themed up XP with no advantage whatsoever over 7 year old OS, not to talk about the competitors.
As for me, I find that neither XP nor Vista can cope even with the simplest things like "file copy".
Vermillion
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Can't disagree with that but keep in mind there are many sheeple out there that will get pulled into the iCult's Reality Distorition Field.
Vermillion
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You still haven't answered the question: What's broken in Vista?
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Hmmm... then maybe your user name is warranted...
I had some problems with vista initially, mostly due to drivers. That's what happens when you are an early adopter. After the sp came out it's been nothing but roses and sunshine for me. When I have to use OSX in my classes, I hate it. Being the frugal bastard I am, I could never bring myself to pay such a mark up for hardware. I love my thinkpad, and I can get thinkpads cheaper than macs with MUCH better specs, and they are higher quality (build quality, hardware, awesome support) and retain their value just as well...
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Yeah, they never tell you that.
Still adds up to a bit more than $3300. And not everyone who buys a Mac Pro will be thinking about getting their upgrades from another vendor.
Then why were you comparing it to some guy's gaming machine? Obviously, your machine will win on specs, but you can find a Windows workstation with the exact same configuration. That 4870 X2 is something no Mac user has.
Their ads are pretty successful but the downside to an ad campaign based on lies and FUD is that all alot of the converts because of those ads will realise they where suckered and never buy from them again. Im willing to bet that in the next couple years that growth will dwindle down to nothing and probably reverse. So they can pat themselves on the back now but they fucked themselves in the long run. Thankfully they have the Ipod to fall back on.
One of the dumbest statements in this thread...
So apple dont have any game consoles, they just have the silly old ipod and iphone which make them more money than microsoft could ever dream of making off the Xbox 360.
This sums you up pretty well.
You know absolutely nothing about vista, XP or even OSX for that matter. I could go through point by point and show you how little you really know and prove you entirely wrong but i have a feeling you already know and im certain the rest of the forum has you pegged as well.
So instead ill ask the same question others have asked, Whats so broken in vista?
Explorer folder views seem fine to most so not broken.
Well my sleep works fine and yours should also as long as you have proper drivers but thats not vista's problem thats the hardware you run. So count that out.
Most people blame vista for fails but its not that that fails its poorly writen program/code/drivers and that is a fact.
UAC stops even the most hardcore rootkits and kids from allowing crapware .So thats not broken either may need some fine tune which it's getting. But far from broken.
If you weren't a complete moron, you'd understand the context of my post. You can't compare the advertising figures of Microsoft and Apple because MS is trying to sell many more products, including the Xbox which eats up an extremely large portion of that advertising budget.
It's like trying to compare Ford Motor's budget to Honda's budget, including their motorcycle division, powersport division, generator division, airplane division, etc.
And trust me, you really don't want to bring up the iPod in a debate of marketing vs. performance.
If it worked in xp does not mean it will work in vista, mostly because the drivers are not writen right.
my sleep has worked from day one. oh also hardware such as motherboard are at fault. so buy a better mainboard that has support for sleep.
trust me its drivers that stop sleep not vista.
I stand by the rest as well.
my sleep has worked from day one. oh also hardware such as motherboard are at fault. so buy a better mainboard that has support for sleep.
trust me its drivers that stop sleep not vista.
I stand by the rest as well.
You're obviously a superior human being and in no way indicative of the common human rabble and their mundane computing experiences. We average mortals can only hope to someday achieve your superior computing prowess.
Or maybe you suck at computers? Hey it works both ways.
Just an idea: if you use this forum the way you're supposed to, like seeking help with issues you're having instead of running your mouth about how your experience reflects the multitude (believe me, it doesn't come close) and how badly Microsoft suck, your issues would've been long gone by now.
Unless of course you're just making it all up because you're like that kid in the back seat who likes to poke your little sister next to you just to get her all riled up.
And yet, you just keep coming back for more. *poke*
HardDrugsUser
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Here is my answer to what is broken in Vista:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAht5n6cTMg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAht5n6cTMg
I think you've described one of the main reasons people will pay extra for the Mac hardware, the idea that it just works(though this isn't always true, especially when it comes to printers). The most important components of a Mac are controlled and there aren't generally as many hardware/driver problems. Auto shutdown and startup are pretty much always going to work. For the majority of computer users all that "should" matter is whether their computer does what they want without them having to reach for a manual, call tech support, or beg the neighbor kid to come help fix it. Apple has done a pretty good job of convincing people that Mac's do just that.
For those wanting to know what's wrong with Vista, I'd say the biggest problem at the moment is perception. It doesn't matter how advanced and stable it is if everyone thinks it's crap. And that's what Apple is capitalizing on. I can't say I blame them. Heck, Microsoft's mojave experiment shows that they realize this too.
Personally I think all the major OSs have their place, and trying to argue over which one is best is pointless. The all have strong and weak points. When I want to get work done I go to my pc. When I'm working with media I go to my mac, and when I want stability I look to linux. My DVR is a MythTV linux box, my home movies and music are on my mac, and my development is done on my XP laptop(don't have a machine with the hardware to handle Vista yet). They all do there respective jobs very well, but in general I wouldn't want to do those jobs on another platform.
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An OS maker? Really? I've never seen an OSX commercial, ever. With all the advertising they do, how could anyone know that considering their own commercials have never advertised their own OS but instead focuses on the hardware... weird twist of irony, ain't it?
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If this news below is true then I guess that I might be able to do that with my 2.4 teraFLOPS HD 4870 X2 soon.
Anyway, since I'm a PC, I can always get an nVidia GPU to do the job just like mentioned below:
maleficarus
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wicked lol
MaStaFLaSH
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Folder views is fine for me.
I've never had a problem with sleep in MANY different hardware configs. WIth XP it sucked, with vista it's worked from the start for me.
I like security.....
Clearly you're dong it wrong!
Back on topic, I don't like Macs because of the price. I wouldn't mind paying a $100 or so premium to get a mac but when I'm paying twice as much just to get the mac OS I'll just build a hackintosh thank you very much.
SolidBladez
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Not gonna lie, I laughed at that ad. I'm not an Apple fan nor do I entirely favor Microsoft but the mere comedic pun is suitable for being stuck at school for hours on end.
*continues to type on a PC*
*continues to type on a PC*
What the fuck are you talking about? All in all microsoft and apple are selling about the same amount of shit. Microsoft is selling operating systems and consoles, apple is selling computers, laptops, MP3 players and phones.
You really think the advertising costs for the 360 is more than the advertising costs for the ipod and iphone?
Biennerienno
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wtf are you talkin about?
Microsoft sells quite a bit more that the four items you listed from apple.
Client OS
Server OS
360
Zune
Office for Windows
Office for Mac
MSSQL
Exchange
Windows Mobile
Student Software/Education
and a ton of other Biz Software you have prob never heard of. The list goes on...
Not that I know what either companies budgets are, but to imply that MS only sells 4 products, well...you sir, are a moron.
btw, I'm a PC. Almost bought a Mac once, to run vista on it of course. Then i talked to an Apple Genuis, because I figured I would be running OSX every once in a while...meh, the guy was uninformed. OSX looked nice, but if he couldnt tell me how to use it, I didnt want to lose productivity figuring it out.
hamm3rhead
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+1 Most entertaining thread of the day! 
Look, you're simply wrong. Go to the press release product pages of both companies if you'd like.
I understand that you want to save face and you probably wish you could edit your posts right about now, but you can't so the best course of action is simply to stop posting in this thread and hope we forget all the stupid things you've said.