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Chodon_Leela

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Hello everybody. My name is Leela. I am from Sri Lanka. This is my first post on the HardForum Community.

My current PC is a Apple Mac G4.

I have come up with two configurations based on what is available in my locality.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($362.95 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 412 Slim 58.4 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Asus X99-A ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($249.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($269.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($132.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 980 4GB STRIX Video Card ($544.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master 690 III ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Cooler Master V750 750W 80+ Gold Certified Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1820.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-20 16:52 EDT-0400



PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($362.95 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 412 Slim 58.4 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Asus X99-A ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($249.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($269.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($132.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 290X 4GB Tri-X Video Card ($343.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Inwin GRone Gray (Gray) ATX Full Tower Case ($129.99 @ Directron)
Power Supply: Cooler Master V850 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1649.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-20 17:03 EDT-0400


I can afford both configurations. But I am having some dilemma as to which one would be better.

My usage will be video editing and uploading to youtube, using Adobe Illustrator, Photoshop, Rendering 3D, and some light gaming of games such as AC Unity, Battlefield Hardline and GTA V.

I used pcpartpicker for convenience only. I will not be purchasing from the online shops.

I will make my purchase from the computer retailers in my locality.

I would greatly appreciate some advice on a new PC build since I have never built a PC before.

Thank you all for your time.
 
If those are the prices you got, you can figure 20-30% markup buying locally in most situations.

I appreciate you wanting to support your local store, but the fact of life is, they have to generate a larger margin from lesser sales, so its all about economy.

Your build looks fine, and if you're working off a G4 Mac, I think you'll be able to utilize this system for 5-7 years w/o hesitation.

If you're not doing a lot of gaming, those cards are overkill IMO for Photoshop graphics and rendering, you could go with a step down and see no appreciable difference in most situations. It'll save you money, and the most you'd be giving up in most scenarios is probably 10% difference in rendering times, i.e. it'll take 20 seconds instead of 18 seconds.

You'd probably get a more dollars to donuts benefit with more memory than more graphics card.
 
Well, it's not bad but you're certainly not looking at the "sweet spot" regarding price/performance and it's as stiltner said a bit misaligned in terms of performance having in mind what you're going to use it for. You're better off (in that case) going to for the Intel i7-series on the 1055 socket instead and I highly doubt you'll notice a difference. If you want to elaborate on this just make a comment. In general, consider a better PSU (not necessarily a beefier one) and stay away from the EVO drives.
//Danne
 
Is the following a better dollar value build would you say so?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($326.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 412 Slim 58.4 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Asus Z97 PRO GAMER ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($163.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($108.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.94 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 980 4GB STRIX Video Card ($543.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Thermaltake Commander MS/I Snow Edition (White/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($46.99 @ Directron)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 650W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($110.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1411.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-26 20:35 EDT-0400

Actually, I am very new to the PC gaming. Since on my old mac, I have never played any games. So I want to be able to play the latest titles for at least the next 5 years without touching my new pc for any upgrades. Thats why i am planning for the nvidia/amd flagship card.

I thought the Cooler master V series were very good. According to the newegg psu tier webpage https://community.newegg.com/eggxpert/computer_hardware/f/135081/t/45344.aspx?Redirected=true .

Why would you say the Samsung 850 EVO are bad?

Could you explain please?
 
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If this is for gaming get the i5 4690k instead. Hyperthreading provides no real benefit for games. You can put the savings into a better psu, case, and cpu cooler if you plan to overclock.
 
@ Chodon_Leela

You'll be fine something like this:

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor or Intel Core i7-4790 (non K) if you want to use virtualization, the tradeoff is about 0-5% in performance depending on application. Games do actually run faster with HT but not by much so if it's mostly going to be used for gaming you're probably fine with an i5 CPU.

CPU Cooler: Don't really see why you need another one, Intel's stock coolers are quite good and if you want something better you want something more silent than what Cooler Master offers OOTB (ie replace the fan).


Motherboard: Avoid getting something with odd/exotic controllers, it'll cause you more issues that it's worth. Here's a few good ones ranked price/performance ratio (performance in terms of speed will be very similar (within 1%) so it's basically what kind of bells and whistle's you'd want (USB 3.1)
* Asus H97PRO GAMER (~$105) - Great value, I'd get this one
* Asus Z97-A/USB 3.1 (~$150) - Generic board, offers USB 3.1
* Asus Z97-A (~$140) - Same as above but lacks USB 3.1 controller
* Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD3H-BK (~140$) - Pretty much the same as Z97-A in terms of features
* Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD3H (~150$) - Same board, no black PCB...

Memory: Follow JEDEC standards, go for 16Gbyte, 1600Mhz and you'll be fine.
A quick look:

Crucial Ballistix Sport series: (I usually go with these in general)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148545
Adata XPG series:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211898
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211771
Mushkin Enhanced Stealth and Blackline:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226404
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226612

SSD: EVO drives have various strange issues and performance characteristics so I'd avoid them at all costs. These are good SSDs and not overly pricey, the Samsung Pro does however offer much longer warranty than the other two.

Plextor PX-256M6Pro ~150$
Micro M600 256GB ~140$
SAMSUNG 850 PRO 256Gb ~180$

Video Card: 970 or 980, it's up to you but I'd say that 970 is a better bang for the buck. Go with Asus (perferably) or possibly MSI. I'd be careful with Gigabyte as they seems to have various issues with their cards.

Case: Fractal Design's R-series, great internal design, low acoustics and great price.

PSU: Something by Superflower or Seasonic, 500-600W will do more than fine.
Some Rosewill PSUs are made by Superflower (Google models), these are Newegg only.
Some XFX and Antec models are also made by Seasonic apart from the own product line.

//Danne
 
Wow thanks that's some reply Danne :cool:

OK I will go for the Intel 530 Series SSD. I might not get any SSDs and go for a Toshiba/Seagate 2TB HDD.

The Corsair TX650 & the CM V750 costs exactly the same amount here. And I have read somewhere that the guts of the CM V series PSUs are made by Seasonic. So I am thinking of getting the CM since its the beefier PSU at the same cost.

I am going to stick with the ASUS STRIX GTX980. Since I don't plan on upgrading anytime soon.

I was going for a top end mid-range mobo like the ASUS Z97 PRO or the Maximus VII HERO but I have read that the 4790K doesn't offer much headway into OC-ing since its already OC-ed OOTB. So getting a mobo with a lot of power phases might not be fruitful eh? In that case I would take the Gigabyte Z97 HD3 or the ASUS Z97-K.
 
SSDs...
I would personally avoid the Intel 530 SSDs simply because it uses the Sandforce controllers series which are known to have compatibility/reliability issues (use Google). Intel seems to have better luck with these than others but I would simply look at Marvell and/or Samsung (Pro series) because they have a much better track record and performance.

PSUs, TX650 v2 is made by Seasonic according to various forum users. The V(SM)750 is made by Enhance and seems quite good. http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&file=print&reid=383

I'd avoid most the mentioned motherboards because of the following reasons
ASUS Z97 PRO - Really expensive for what it is, don't see what value it would add compared to the H97PRO GAMER or Z97-A.
Maximus VII HERO - Ridiculously expensive...
Gigabyte Z97-HD3 - Realtek LAN, don't really see why you'd want that at it's price (Intel is way better)
Asus Z97-K - Realtek LAN, see above
//Danne
 
I have a newbie query on the mobo... Will I be able to OC on a H97 mobo the same as on a Z97? Because I thought only the Z97 was OC friendly.

The Z97-A is not available, neither is the TX650 (v2).
The TX650 is the non V2 version which is available.

I don't use LAN. I have a router and Wifi setup at home. I use TP-Link wifi usb receivers.

The only SSDs (I can afford) available (locally) are Transcend, ADATA, Corsair, Intel, and Samsung 850 EVO.

The Samsung PRO available is a 1TB. WHich I cannot afford!!

I have raked my local sites and found three PSUs that are also in newegg and made a comparison. Could you please tell me which one would be best? Please?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007657%20600014094%2050001379%20600037998&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&CompareItemList=58%7C17-171-094%5E17-171-094-TS%2C9SIA24G28N0962%5E17-153-211-08%23%2C17-153-198%5E17-153-198-TS&percm=17-153-198%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24
 
Hmm.. You can OC but it will be limited so it wont be as good as a Z97 mobo, but if you want OC it becomes pointless. I don't think there's much of a difference except that you cannot change the
multiplier on the H-chipset boards.

Ok, your loss. If anything at least go for PCIe/mini-PCIe adapters as they are way superior.

As for SSDs teh EVO SSD might be the best option (despite its flaws) unless they have the Intel 730 series, there's an Intel 535 series just released but I cant find which controller it uses.

Go for the CM PSU in that case
//Danne
 
Thanks for all your inputs. They helped me narrow down my choices. This is my final build. I will order the PC next Monday.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($326.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 412 Slim 58.4 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Asus Z97 PRO GAMER ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($163.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($108.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive ($90.84 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 980 4GB STRIX Video Card ($543.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Thermaltake Commander MS/I Snow Edition (White/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($37.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Cooler Master VSM 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($100.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1373.76
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-27 23:38 EDT-0400
 
Chodon_Leela said:
Thanks for all your inputs. They helped me narrow down my choices. This is my final build. I will order the PC next Monday.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($326.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 412 Slim 58.4 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Asus Z97 PRO GAMER ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($163.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($108.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive ($90.84 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 980 4GB STRIX Video Card ($543.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Thermaltake Commander MS/I Snow Edition (White/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($37.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Cooler Master VSM 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($100.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1373.76
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-27 23:38 EDT-0400
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You're missing a SSD there. Yes, get a Samsung 850 Evo SSD even it means that you have to downgrade the video card to a GTX 970. They're that important to the overall responsiveness of the PC.

Are you really planning to overclock?

Also, that case is pretty crappy. You can tell it's of low quality due to the fact that the expansion slot covers are tear-offs, not screwed in. Pretty much no good case has tear-off expansion slot covers. I recommend ANY of these other cases over that crappy Thermaltake case:
$50 - Corsair Carbide Series 200R Windowed ATX Case
$72 - Corsair Graphite Series 230T Black ATX Case
$70 - Corsair Graphite Series 230T Black w/ Window ATX Case
$86 - Antec 1100 V2 ATX Case
$90 - NZXT Source 530 Full Tower Case
$100 - Thermaltake Core V5 Black ATX Case
$106 - NZXT Phantom PHAN-001BK Black Full Tower ATX Case
$110 - Corsair Carbide Series 500R ATX Case
$120 - Corsair Vengeance Series C70 Gunmetal Black ATX Case
$120 - Corsair Vengeance Series C70 Arctic White ATX Case
$120 - Corsair Obsidian Series 450D ATX Case
$120 - NZXT Phantom PHAN-001WT White Full Tower ATX Case
$126 - NZXT Phantom 530 Black Full Tower ATX Case
$135 - Corsair Obsidian Series 750D ATX Case
$140 - Corsair Graphite Series 730T ATX Case
$150 - NZXT Phantom 630 White Windowed Full Tower ATX Case
$150 - Phanteks Enthoo Luxe Full Tower Case
$158 - NZXT Phantom 630 Gunmetal Full Tower Case
$163 - Thermaltake Urban T81 Full Tower ATX Case
$160 - Corsair Graphite Series 760T Black Full Tower Case
$170 - Corsair Graphite Series 760T White Full Tower Case
197 - Corsair Graphite Black ATX Full Tower 780T
208 - Corsair Graphite White ATX Full Tower 780T
 
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I guess that gets as good as it gets given what you have available...
//Danne
 
Dangman said:
You're missing a SSD there. Yes, get a Samsung 850 Evo SSD even it means that you have to downgrade the video card to a GTX 970. They're that important to the overall responsiveness of the PC.

Are you really planning to overclock?

Also, that case is pretty crappy. You can tell it's of low quality due to the fact that the expansion slot covers are tear-offs, not screwed in. Pretty much no good case has tear-off expansion slot covers. I recommend ANY of these other cases over that crappy Thermaltake case:
$50 - Corsair Carbide Series 200R Windowed ATX Case
$72 - Corsair Graphite Series 230T Black ATX Case
$70 - Corsair Graphite Series 230T Black w/ Window ATX Case
$86 - Antec 1100 V2 ATX Case
$90 - NZXT Source 530 Full Tower Case
$100 - Thermaltake Core V5 Black ATX Case
$106 - NZXT Phantom PHAN-001BK Black Full Tower ATX Case
$110 - Corsair Carbide Series 500R ATX Case
$120 - Corsair Vengeance Series C70 Gunmetal Black ATX Case
$120 - Corsair Vengeance Series C70 Arctic White ATX Case
$120 - Corsair Obsidian Series 450D ATX Case
$120 - NZXT Phantom PHAN-001WT White Full Tower ATX Case
$126 - NZXT Phantom 530 Black Full Tower ATX Case
$135 - Corsair Obsidian Series 750D ATX Case
$140 - Corsair Graphite Series 730T ATX Case
$150 - NZXT Phantom 630 White Windowed Full Tower ATX Case
$150 - Phanteks Enthoo Luxe Full Tower Case
$158 - NZXT Phantom 630 Gunmetal Full Tower Case
$163 - Thermaltake Urban T81 Full Tower ATX Case
$160 - Corsair Graphite Series 760T Black Full Tower Case
$170 - Corsair Graphite Series 760T White Full Tower Case
197 - Corsair Graphite Black ATX Full Tower 780T
208 - Corsair Graphite White ATX Full Tower 780T
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Hi, thanks for the help. I see you are a Corsair fan ;) However, the shops in my vicinity only stock CM and Thermaltake cases Cooler-Master Casings. I don't want to spend too much on a case. Thanks for the SSD tip; I can't afford both a SSD and a HDD atm. I will not get any Gfx lower than a GTX980 though. I read in reviews that the Asus Strix 980 has a pretty good OC headroom, so I will be able to squeeze out performance from it when it becomes a bit outdated. I was going for the 290X but then decided not to given how hot it gets and the lower memory speed (5Ghz).

Yes indeed I will OC when and if I have to. Both CPU and GPU !!
 
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an SSD is a must for an enjoyable user experience.
You will be able to go 5+ years but you will need to upgrade the GPU at some point. SLI/CF can help but also cause a lot of trouble and don't always scale well. For this reason assume that you will upgrade the GPU in 3-4 years and keep everything else.

I would strongly recommend buying online if you can or if you are not in the US find a major electronics market.
 
Chodon_Leela said:
Hi, thanks for the help. I see you are a Corsair fan ;) However, the shops in my vicinity only stock CM and Thermaltake cases Cooler-Master Casings. I don't want to spend too much on a case. Thanks for the SSD tip; I can't afford both a SSD and a HDD atm. I will not get any Gfx lower than a GTX980 though. I read in reviews that the Asus Strix 980 has a pretty good OC headroom, so I will be able to squeeze out performance from it when it becomes a bit outdated. I was going for the 290X but then decided not to given how hot it gets and the lower memory speed (5Ghz).

Yes indeed I will OC when and if I have to. Both CPU and GPU !!
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I'm more of a fan of good cases than a Corsair fan. There are quite a few Corsair cases that I would never recommend. Here in the U.S, a lot of Coolermaster cases tends to be either overpriced for the quality you're getting or of really crap quality in general. On the site you linked, this is the only Coolermaster case that I can recommend:
http://binarylogic.com.bd/cm-storm-690-iiiii-advance-mid-tower-case/

Go for the SSD first then. Again, it makes a massive difference that it justifies lowering the video card. Actually, what's the max resolution of your current monitor?
 
Dangman said:
I'm more of a fan of good cases than a Corsair fan. There are quite a few Corsair cases that I would never recommend. Here in the U.S, a lot of Coolermaster cases tends to be either overpriced for the quality you're getting or of really crap quality in general. On the site you linked, this is the only Coolermaster case that I can recommend:
http://binarylogic.com.bd/cm-storm-690-iiiii-advance-mid-tower-case/

Go for the SSD first then. Again, it makes a massive difference that it justifies lowering the video card. Actually, what's the max resolution of your current monitor?
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Thank you. Yes that IS the case I had considered in the first place but the pcpart website didn't have this case listed.

I will definitely keep in mind your advice on the SSD.

My monitor is having 1080p and 27 inches wide. I don't plan on upgrading the monitor in the forseeable future.
 
silk186 said:
an SSD is a must for an enjoyable user experience.
You will be able to go 5+ years but you will need to upgrade the GPU at some point. SLI/CF can help but also cause a lot of trouble and don't always scale well. For this reason assume that you will upgrade the GPU in 3-4 years and keep everything else.

I would strongly recommend buying online if you can or if you are not in the US find a major electronics market.
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Buying online is not an option in Lanka. I know of a few good mega retailers here.

Yes I plan on keeping whichever GPU I buy now for at least 3-4 years... that's why I am opting for a flagship card.
 
Chodon_Leela said:
Yes I plan on keeping whichever GPU I buy now for at least 3-4 years... that's why I am opting for a flagship card.
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That's generally not the best of ideas. It's been shown that it's more cost-effecitve in the long run to change out your video card rather than spend extra for a higher-end card now.
 
Lower the 980 to a 970 and get the SSD and HDD. You will notice better performance in your whole workload rather than just gaming.

Dangman is spot on about the lower tier GPU. You will be paying $150-200 USD (maybe more in your local) for the 980 over a 970 for roughly 20% performance increase. That same $150-200 would get you a much larger increase in performance with a new card in 2-3 years. That is why many of us have the same system for 5+ years but we change out the GPU every 2-3 years. Far more cost effective than buying the flagship card which are usually not worth their price premiums over the card one tier below.
 
Both of you have valid arguments. But I am just not for the GTX970 with its VRAM issue.

Would you recommend me the R9 290X Sapphire Tri-X OC ?? It costs exactly the same.

Also if I get the 970/290X, it frees up some cash to opt for a 5820K/X99 build. Is that something I should be looking at?
 
Chodon_Leela said:
Both of you have valid arguments. But I am just not for the GTX970 with its VRAM issue.

Would you recommend me the R9 290X Sapphire Tri-X OC ?? It costs exactly the same.

Also if I get the 970/290X, it frees up some cash to opt for a 5820K/X99 build. Is that something I should be looking at?
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If you are indeed doing a ton of video editing (as in 65% or more of your time spent on the PC is doing video editing work), then the 5820K/X99 route should be an option to check out AFTER you get the SSD.

I do not recommend a Sapphire R9 290X. I recommend R 290X or R9 290 cards from Asus, MSI, XFX, or Gigabyte.
 
Thanks for the prompt reply.

Most reviews I read stated that the Sapphire Tri-X 290X is very good and keeps the card nice and cool allowing some OC-ing. The reviews on the Asus 290X stated that Asus's cooler wasn't as good as the Sapphire's Tri-X.

Could you please elaborate on why you wouldn't the Sapphire 290X?
 
I may be wrong but most video editing software only have acceleration for nVidia so going AMD might not be optimal...
//Danne
 
Chodon_Leela said:
Thanks for the prompt reply.

Most reviews I read stated that the Sapphire Tri-X 290X is very good and keeps the card nice and cool allowing some OC-ing. The reviews on the Asus 290X stated that Asus's cooler wasn't as good as the Sapphire's Tri-X.

Could you please elaborate on why you wouldn't the Sapphire 290X?
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Mainly because Sapphire is more of a budget brand to me. Their warranty and customer aren't all that great. Hence their lower price compared to other GPU manufacturers. You're clearly not building a budget system so no real need to get a budget brand video card
 
Sapphire is a tier 1 partner with AMD/ATi, they make solid products. That said, Sapphire and HIS PCS/PCS+ are the only decent Radeon cards around too bad the drivers are horrible.
//Danne
 
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