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Never going back ATX

The build looks great! Been on the itx train for a while now and anything over 25L or so seems huge. That case is really nice in person and kind of long if I were to nitpick. However, being able to support 320mm AIOs , larger tower coolers, ATX PSUs and some chonky GPUs makes it pretty easy to downsize a rig. Build quality is good and it’s not super expensive either.
 
TangledThornz said:
Built my first MFF in a ASUS AP201 with MSI MAG 850M WIFI mobo last month and its been a great experience. No issues other than placement of bottom fans that was fixed with nylon washers.

It made me realize I'll never go back to ATX again as that form seems massive and outdated imo. Outside of CPU, RAM, and GPU almost everything else is built into the mobo and don't need the space for extra HDDs since M2 SSDs fits on the mobo too. If I have to do another build it'll also most likely be ITX too.


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Nice clean build. I like it. I prefer full ATX builds, but I also appreciate builds of all different form factors.
 
Currently running a Sliger Cerberus, which is a 14L mATX case. It’s been mostly smooth, but with some frustration and compromise. I’d go with an nCase M2 if I had it to do over, but I wouldn’t ever go back to ATX. It’s just too nice having a little case that I can fit inside the desk, invisible. 100% wife-acceptance-factor and I get to enjoy high-end gaming without the slightest hint of a “gamer desk.” I know most serious gamers enjoy a prominent case, I’m just not one of them. I also ride motorcycles, and prefer the quietest, humblest ones I can find. My Yamaha FJR1300 is so anonymous, you’d never know it can run a 10-second 1/4 mile.
 
Main system in sig (only difference from the photo is switching the eVGA 3060 Ti XC to an MSI 4070 Ti Super Ventus OC 2X)
Lian Li 170M - ~21L, builds like a normal PC (no funky risers, PSU at the front, SFX PSU required, etc.)

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WhoBeDaPlaya said:
Main system in sig (only difference from the photo is switching the eVGA 3060 Ti XC to an MSI 4070 Ti Super Ventus OC 2X)
Lian Li 170M - ~20L, builds like a normal PC (no funky risers, PSU at the front, SFX PSU required, etc.)

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This case is really nice for shorter GPUs and totally agree on your points. Looks good!
 
TheHig said:
This case is really nice for shorter GPUs and totally agree on your points. Looks good!
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Very cost effective as well!
- $50 at MicroCenter
- regular ATX PSU (albeit modular)
- mATX mobo (ITX = $$$, especially with a solid VRM section)
- no LP tower / AIO cooler needed (just pick any decent ~$30 Thermalright tower cooler < 140mm)

Sure, I'll never get x90 class GPU performance in <= 270mm of length, but is a 4070 Ti Super (especially undervolted) really that much different than a 4080 Super / 5080 / 5070 Ti?

That said, the dang GPU ($600) costs about as much as the other main components put together! ($125 mobo, $250 CPU, $80 RAM, $200 M2 SSDs, $50 PSU)
The cost breakdown was much more balanced when it had a 3060 Ti ($225 from [H])
 
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freeagentt said:
Just using made up form factors now?

Cool.

There are some nice builds in that thread. Anything using m/ATX or smaller is SFF. ATX would be mid, EATX would be large.
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Its not "made up". Its well established by the sub-culture of builders. And it goes by the case sizes. Not by the motherboards (which is part of why this is "sub". As it sub-verts the traditional "form factor" designations of the mobos. ATX, MATX, ITX, etc.).

For example, ~20 liters or less is considered "small form factor". And you can build a Meshroom S case with an full sized ATX motherboard and power supply and 3 slot GPU. 14.9 liters.


arthur_tuxedo said:
Currently running a Sliger Cerberus, which is a 14L mATX case. It’s been mostly smooth, but with some frustration and compromise. I’d go with an nCase M2 if I had it to do over, but I wouldn’t ever go back to ATX. It’s just too nice having a little case that I can fit inside the desk, invisible. 100% wife-acceptance-factor and I get to enjoy high-end gaming without the slightest hint of a “gamer desk.” I know most serious gamers enjoy a prominent case, I’m just not one of them. I also ride motorcycles, and prefer the quietest, humblest ones I can find. My Yamaha FJR1300 is so anonymous, you’d never know it can run a 10-second 1/4 mile.
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Cerberus is 19.6 liters ; )

S610 (ITX only) is 13.3 liters (this has been my case for about 4 years). S620 (ITX only) is 16.3 liters.


TangledThornz said:
Built my first MFF in a ASUS AP201 with MSI MAG 850M WIFI mobo last month and its been a great experience. No issues other than placement of bottom fans that was fixed with nylon washers.

It made me realize I'll never go back to ATX again as that form seems massive and outdated imo. Outside of CPU, RAM, and GPU almost everything else is built into the mobo and don't need the space for extra HDDs since M2 SSDs fits on the mobo too. If I have to do another build it'll also most likely be ITX too.


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Small computers are the best! I haven't built anything larger than MATX, since about 2005-ish, when I built with an X-Qpack case. 2016 I went ITX and have been ITX ever since.
 
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WhoBeDaPlaya said:
Very cost effective as well!
- $50 at MicroCenter
- regular ATX PSU (albeit modular)
- mATX mobo (ITX = $$$, especially with a solid VRM section)
- no LP tower / AIO cooler needed (just pick any decent ~$30 Thermalright tower cooler < 140mm)

Sure, I'll never get x90 class GPU performance in <= 270mm of length, but is a 4070 Ti Super (especially undervolted) really that much different than a 4080 Super / 5080 / 5070 Ti?

That said, the dang GPU ($600) costs about as much as the other main components put together! ($125 mobo, $250 CPU, $80 RAM, $200 M2 SSDs, $50 PSU)
The cost breakdown was much more balanced when it had a 3060 Ti ($225 from [H])
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The water blocks for the 90 class gpus shrink them like very small :) although finding space to add a water loop in the small case if possible but perhaps challenging hehe
 
xDiVolatilX said:
The water blocks for the 90 class gpus shrink them like very small :) although finding space to add a water loop in the small case if possible but perhaps challenging hehe
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While I appreciate and admire small, powerful, intricate builds (eg. optimum's builds), I prefer to stay below the inflection point of the cost-effectiveness and effort curves.
Definitely neat from a hobby standpoint, but not much personal incremental utility


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-xYtqWg9V8
 
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I love small builds. I don't do them for friends, though. Too much extra time investment. They get nice easy mid tower builds :D

I like having a small PC on my desk. Ports easily accessible, away from dust. Cool and quiet. And it looks nice. Plus I occasionally travel with it and it fits nicely in a Pelican case.
 
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