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Network pics thread

RiDDLeRThC said:
Our T1 used to cost 600$ each so somewhere around 5k a month?
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How come you guys use T1's Is that the only thing available?

I have a client whos in Elizabeth, NJ and right in a shipping yard, so they can only get DSL or T1. But im still amazed by the amount of people I see who use T1's. Its just so slow.

So why the T1's?
 
Adam said:
How come you guys use T1's Is that the only thing available?

I have a client whos in Elizabeth, NJ and right in a shipping yard, so they can only get DSL or T1. But im still amazed by the amount of people I see who use T1's. Its just so slow.

So why the T1's?
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We didn't use it for data, we used fiber.

the T1 was for our phone lines. We did have a channel for data but didnt really use it.
 
Adam said:
How come you guys use T1's Is that the only thing available?

I have a client whos in Elizabeth, NJ and right in a shipping yard, so they can only get DSL or T1. But im still amazed by the amount of people I see who use T1's. Its just so slow.

So why the T1's?
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/sigh

(in regards to why people use T1's)

The primary reason is, T1's (and like circuits) have a higher level of SLA than any DSL/Cable,etc connection. Even business class DSL/Cable etc, don't have the same level of SLA.

It's much easier to manage 1 bill from 1 provider with multiple circuits, than 495832498340958403925 bills from 2983409238403294 different podunk ISP's.

Not to mention the fact that even though a T1 is "slow" in today's terms, most small businesses or remote offices don't use that much bandwidth.
 
WesM63 said:
Not to mention the fact that even though a T1 is "slow" in today's terms, most small businesses or remote offices don't use that much bandwidth.
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How much bandwidth do most small businesses or remote offices use?
 
We have 33 people in our office during the day, several at night and 2 on graveyard, we have servers hosted and data going in and out and we average 3mb a month for it all for the last while, not much, and that is with several departments having wide open access to places like Youtube and such.
 
Here in the UK we have no such thing as a T1, nothing even like it to be honest. We can get leased lines, Point to point, but I don't think there are any services like a T1 with a decent SLA, maybe bonded ISDN at a push?
 
mikeblas said:
How much bandwidth do most small businesses or remote offices use?
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That obviously depends on the type of business. Many of our remote offices have T1's and very few of them ever touch it. (Monitored via Netqos) Then again we have a very heavy internet usage policy that severely limits browsing, which cuts down drastically on traffic.


Jay, the UK defiantly has E1's with the same type of SLA. We have a few offices in the UK.

To each their own I suppose.
 
Im from Long Island, so we have a cablevision here . i guess im lucky enough to be in an area where we have a really fast internet service.

Cablevision handles our phones and our internet. We have 100Mbps service and pay $99 a month for that plus the phone lines. Comes in on one bill. But thats us, we're lucky to have it. Most businesses here on LI have cablevision, some have FiOS. But most cablevision.

We have maybe 10 people in the office and use our bandwidth. We do video surveillance so we do use a lot of bandwidth for demos and we do remote backup services so we have incoming traffic for that, and monitor peoples systems. I guess we use it.

T1 wouldnt work for us. We rarely have downtime either.

I guess in other areas the cable companies just arnt as reliable as here on LI.
 
WesM63 said:
That obviously depends on the type of business.
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For an individual business, bandwidth is dependent on the type of business. The claim wasn't about any individual business, or any single type of business; it was about "most small businesses". Someone is saying that it's a fact that most small businesses don't use more bandwidth than a T1 provides, and that fact surprises me. I'd like to learn more about why it's true. The anecdotes presented here about individual companies don't prove (or disprove) that generalization.

Ob pic:
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Adam said:
Im from Long Island, so we have a cablevision here . i guess im lucky enough to be in an area where we have a really fast internet service.

Cablevision handles our phones and our internet. We have 100Mbps service and pay $99 a month for that plus the phone lines. Comes in on one bill. But thats us, we're lucky to have it. Most businesses here on LI have cablevision, some have FiOS. But most cablevision.

We have maybe 10 people in the office and use our bandwidth. We do video surveillance so we do use a lot of bandwidth for demos and we do remote backup services so we have incoming traffic for that, and monitor peoples systems. I guess we use it.

T1 wouldnt work for us. We rarely have downtime either.

I guess in other areas the cable companies just arnt as reliable as here on LI.
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Agreed. Out on the Island as well and have business optimum. Their service is really good, their lightpath option is pretty good as well.
 
T1s are dedicated and reliable. True, the speed is not up to what Cable or Metro E can deliver, but for some applications, it's the right fit.
 
Mike,
My observation is from my professional experience. Most of the small business I've dealt with in the past use very little bandwidth. A T1 would be perfect for them, but at the same time, lots of small business don't rely on their internet connection as much as others. (Adam, SLA's are not just about reliability, but also the time it takes a ISP to resolve a circuit issue)

I can't disclose who I work for, but it's a rather large company. Neither our WAN or Internet Connections (OC3) are above 60% in the 95th percentile.

In retrospect, I have 50/5 here at home and I would consider myself to be a "heavy" user. I guarantee, most of you and myself, would be surprised if you looked at the 95th percentile utilization on your connections as well. Just because you max it out once or twice a day for short bursts, doesn't mean you need more bandwidth.

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Jay_oasis said:
what model of EonStor is that?

I thik I have a A16U-G1410 around here.

is that your home setup?
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ya its my home setup, although its changed a bit... now an R610 and 2x 16 bay eonstor's

dont remember the models but they are 16 bay fiber channel
 
New house- network is getting completely redone but here's the stack i've got in the home-office at the moment (rest is in the rack in the garage without power):


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Yea, its a mess. I'm in the process of pulling everything out to revamp


I've got an old p3 back there running pfSense with a few nics in it. One goes out to my personal stuff, the other goes out to my family and the wifi.

Not sure of the model on the D-link router, but I picked up a few of them for 7 bucks a pop and have them running as access points throughout the house. Its nice to be able to walk from one end of the house to the other end of the house and have awesome signal the entire way (my parents are still trying to figure that one out >.<)

I just picked up an old Powerconnect 5224, and am waiting on a new nic for my replacement pfsense box, I'm just gonna move everything to one switch and do 802.1q trunking with the router to clean up some of that mess.
 
ziggit said:
Man you're quick. It was fixed like 45 seconds after I originally posted it.
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Haha, I didn't mean anything by it. I wouldn't have said anything if I was on my rig at home but my work computer couldn't see it.
 
Joe S said:
Haha, I didn't mean anything by it. I wouldn't have said anything if I was on my rig at home but my work computer couldn't see it.
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I was just impressed. I refresh the page to make sure the image resized properly, and Boom!

Its the same reason I don't play FPS =P
 
ltickett said:
New house- network is getting completely redone but here's the stack i've got in the home-office at the moment (rest is in the rack in the garage without power):
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I've been busy also, i just bought a new house :) 4bedroom AND MAN CAVE!

Guess ill be busy for a whyle now running cable all over,

Wireless mesh system going in
Voip phone system going in
Media system
full network

will post pictures soon :)
 
WesM63 said:
Mike, Just because you max it out once or twice a day for short bursts, doesn't mean you need more bandwidth
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It's sure nice to have it when you're trying to download a Win7 ISO from Microsoft or something. 5 minutes is far better than 40 minutes when you're sitting with a dead computer.
 
WesM63 said:
Mike,
My observation is from my professional experience.
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Which means that your conclusion about "most small businesses" is an estimate interpolated from an experience with a very small section of the population. Upon examination, then, this is not a "fact" at all, as you originally claimed. What you had posited as fact surprised me, and upon further inspection I think that we find it isn't a fact at all.

WesM63 said:
Most of the small business I've dealt with in the past use very little bandwidth.
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This assertion, I think, is far more accurate.

WesM63 said:
In retrospect, I have 50/5 here at home and I would consider myself to be a "heavy" user. I guarantee, most of you and myself, would be surprised if you looked at the 95th percentile utilization on your connections as well.
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That's home use, and not small business use.

WesM63 said:
Just because you max it out once or twice a day for short bursts, doesn't mean you need more bandwidth.
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True. It's also true that maxing it out bandwidth, even if only a few times a day for short periods, might mean that you do need more bandwidth.
 
...where is the rofl smiley?

Either way, thanks. That will give me something to laugh about tomorrow when I inform my boss we have to upgrade all of our circuits. :rolleyes:
 
WesM63 said:
...where is the rofl smiley?

Either way, thanks. That will give me something to laugh about tomorrow when I inform my boss we have to upgrade all of our circuits. :rolleyes:
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If you can justify the upgrade, then your boss will help you do it. If you can't justify the upgrade, then your boss will show you ROFL. Sounds like you're destined for the latter, if you're really this bad at substantiating your claims in light of the challenges and queries others might raise towards them.
 
long time lurker, first time poster, 244 pages later... my previous employer ran these for a little while... it's basically a wireless bridge with fiber on each end carrying a trunked link across the way.

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and this is what it looked like from the main office to the sub across about 1/4 mile... (the blue cable you see is basically an snmp trap port to ethernet you can sniff from a laptop to get rssi, temp, errors, etc.)

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before i left, we actually replaced the link with an in-lan with a local fiber provider. these little proxim units had problems with rssi and a flapping link causing port errors on the low side switch. never fully got it sorted out before they where replaced and maintenance ripped them off the roof and threw them away. :(

and here is the view from the high side to the main office property the company owns... can you see the AP?

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[wizard];1037644584 said:
long time lurker, first time poster, 244 pages later... my previous employer ran these for a little while... it's basically a wireless bridge with fiber on each end carrying a trunked link across the way.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3225/2439374115_b9da320d7f.jpg[/IMG

[IMG]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2020/2439374627_3940ab5c23.jpg[/IMG

and this is what it looked like from the main office to the sub across about 1/4 mile... (the blue cable you see is basically an snmp trap port to ethernet you can sniff from a laptop to get rssi, temp, errors, etc.)

IMG]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2135/2440200152_464a710f3c.jpg

before i left, we actually replaced the link with an in-lan with a local fiber provider. these little proxim units had problems with rssi and a flapping link causing port errors on the low side switch. never fully got it sorted out before they where replaced and maintenance ripped them off the roof and threw them away. :(

and here is the view from the high side to the main office property the company owns... can you see the AP?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1023/858360695_2c86b01684.jpg[/IMG[/QUOTE]

I know where you are ;)
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[wizard];1037644584 said:
and here is the view from the high side to the main office property the company owns... can you see the AP?
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Yeah. Doesn't seem like it would have taken more than a year for that line of trees to grow into the line-of-sight.
 
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