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Bman123

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Well my pc is croaking and its a turd so a new build is needed bad .It is a dell dimension p4 rig and it sucks.I want to surf the net and mainly play call of duty.I dont need alot of drives nor alot of drive space.I need everything as nothing from this current rig is reusable.

I have $800 spend for everything shipped.I have keyboard,mouse and speakers thats it.I want a new monitor.Prefer a 22inch-24inch

I just dont know what I should use for my cpu.Please help guys
 
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Will use for gaming and web surfing
$800 budget with tax and shipping
Live in Ohio
Need mobo,cpu,ram,HDD,dvd drive,video card,case,os and a monitor
Would prefer not to overclock but I will
Prefer a 22inch display
I'll start buying parts now
No special features needed on the mobo just a lan port
No Os I need one
 
$168 shipped - AMD Phenom II X3 710 CPU + ASUS M3A76-CM AMD 760G mATX Motherboard Combo
$44 - A-Data ADQVE1B16K 2 x 2GB DDR2 800 RAM w/ FS
$120 - XFX HD-485X-YDFC Radeon HD 4850 512MB PCi-E Video Card w/ FS
$75 - Western Digital WD6401AALS 640GB 7200RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive w/ FS
$25 - Samsung SH-222F 22X DVD±R SATA DVD Burner w/ FS
$68 - BFG Tech LS-550 550W PSU w/ FS
$55 - Antec 300 ATX Case w/ FS
$100 - Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 OEM
$160 - Hanns·G Hi-221DPB Black 22" DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor w/ FS
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Total: $815 shipped plus tax (if any)
 
$120 - Intel Core 2 Duo E7400
$80 - GIGABYTE GA-EP43-UD3L
$49 - G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 800
$110 - Powercolor HD 4850 512mb ($10 rebate)
$75 - Western Digital 640GB Caviar Black
$95 - Antec 300 + Antec earthwatts 430W PSU
$21 - LITE-ON 22X DVD±R DVD Burner
$150 - Acer X223Wbd Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor

TOTAL: $700 before shipping and rebates

For the OS, download Windows 7 for free and use it until it expires, at which point it you will be able to purchase a retail copy. If you choose to, you can get Windows Vista x64 for $100.
 
If you're not OC'ing, go with the AMD. If you want to OC, get a 3rd party CPU HSF and get the Intel setup.

$42 - Xigmatek Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm

Keep in mind, LGA775 has less of an upgrade path as the AM2+ setup. The 710 X3 can OC nicely, too, so if you want a better upgrade path, you can go for that as well, along with the cooler I listed above.
 
I like Dannys setup. However, I would make some minor adjustments for added performance that's gonna fly in COD at 1680x1050.

CPU/MOBO - AMD Phenom II X3 710 + ASUS M3A76-CM AM2+/AM2 AMD 760G both for $159
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.191010

PS/VIDEO CARD - Antec EA650 + EVGA Geforce GTX 260 (216) both for $240 ($25 MIR on video)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.194124

O/S/HDD - MS Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit + WD6401AALS 640GB both for $155
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.186064

CASE - Antec 300 for $55 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042

OPTICAL - Samsung 22X DVD Burner for $25 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151171

RAM - A-Data 4GB DDR2 800 for $44 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211188

MONITOR - Acer X223Wbd 22” for $150 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009145

Total: $828
 
If you can spend the extra cash, I highly recommend HardwareGuru's build.

@ PC_User
Nice find on the monitor! Totally missed it.
 
Is there a certain reason why you guys suggest the amd over say a E8400 or e7400 cpu?
I know intel beats out amd all the time but has something changed
 
Bman123 said:
Is there a certain reason why you guys suggest the amd over say a E8400 or e7400 cpu?
I know intel beats out amd all the time but has something changed
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The Phenom II 710 performs on par with the E7400, if not better. AMD's socket AM2+ and AM3 have more longevity than Intel's socket 775, which is pretty much a dead end at this point.
 
Ok thanks for clearing that up.Can you link some benchmarks showing the phenom 2 game benchmarks?
 
Danny Bui said:
The Phenom II 710 performs on par with the E7400, if not better. AMD's socket AM2+ and AM3 have more longevity than Intel's socket 775, which is pretty much a dead end at this point.
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QFT. I, on the other hand, am an Intel "fanboy" and whenever I upgrade, I always go the Intel path so longevity wouldn't matter for me in this case. But that's just me. :)
 
Well changed the budget a little lets see what you guys think
$800 for the mobo,cpu,video card,ram

I just ordered a modular power supply.I can buy the rest of my parts whenever I get the cash.I just dont wanna skimp on this build.I would rather plop down a fat amount on the mobo,cpu,video card and have it last a few years then too have to build again next year.
 
PC_User said:
QFT. I, on the other hand, am an Intel "fanboy" and whenever I upgrade, I always go the Intel path so longevity wouldn't matter for me in this case. But that's just me. :)
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LOL!. While I wouldn't call myself an Intel fanboy, I will say this: All ten PCs and laptops in my home right now are using Intel CPUs ;)

Bman123 said:
Well changed the budget a little lets see what you guys think
$800 for the mobo,cpu,video card,ram

I just ordered a modular power supply.I can buy the rest of my parts whenever I get the cash.I just dont wanna skimp on this build.I would rather plop down a fat amount on the mobo,cpu,video card and have it last a few years then too have to build again next year.
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Which modular PSU did you buy?

Oh and some recommendations:
$280 - Intel Core i7 920 CPU
$210 - Asus P6T SE Intel X58 ATX Motherboard
$95 - G.Skill F3-12800CL9T-6GBNQ 3 x 2GB DDR3 1600 RAM
$170 - BFG Tech BFGEGTX260896OCE GeForce GTX 260 896MB PCI-E Video Card
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Total: $755 plus tax and shipping.
 
corsair 520watt modular PSU is the one I am getting
I hear alot about the lga775 is dead and not go that route but it seems kinda economical to go this route for me.I mean I only play games and websurf.So really I only need a dual core cpu like a E7400,E8400 or I could go quad with the Q8400.

I am just thinking what is gonna give me the best bang for my buck.I know i cannot upgrade my cpu anymore if I go with 775 but I dont think I will need to for a few years anyways.I should be ok with just buying new video cards.

What do you think about this Danny?
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Best bang for the buck would be an AMD Phenom II build due to awesome combo deals that Newegg has:
$159 - AMD Phenom II X3 710 CPU + ASUS M3A76-CM AMD 760G mATX Motherboard Combo
$270 - AMD Phenom II X4 940 CPU + Gigabyte GA-MA790X-UD4P AMD 790X AMD Motherboard Combo

Out of curiosity, what are the specs of your current PC? How exactly is it croaking?
 
Dude I am running a dell dimension 4600 p4.It is a piece o crap for real.
I just went thru another xbox 360 and I am tired of them failing.That is the reason why I want to build a new pc so I can game on something reliable plus it will be nice to be able to websurf on a faster pc.
 
I know you say about going amd but do you really think they are gonna make new cpus in a few years for this same AM3 socket?
I just dont wanna get less performance when I can get better from a core 2 quad.I think by the time i need to upgrade again nehalem will be pretty cheap.or something else will be out then.
 
Bman123 said:
I know you say about going amd but do you really think they are gonna make new cpus in a few years for this same AM3 socket?
I just dont wanna get less performance when I can get better from a core 2 quad.I think by the time i need to upgrade again nehalem will be pretty cheap.or something else will be out then.
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Yes I do think AMD will be making new CPUs that will fit the AM2+ and AM3 socket. You can see how some 2 year old socket AM2 mobos work just fine with some of AMD's latest Phenom derived CPUs.

And as been said before: the X3 710/720 offers similar performance to the E7400 while being cheaper due to Newegg's combo deals. In addition, the Phenom II 940 is faster than the Q8400 and on par with the Q9400 while being the same price due to Newegg's combo deals. So you're not getting less performance by going with an AMD Phenom II build.
 
with the change in parts needed for your budget one would assume you now intend to reuse some components you hadn't originally been going to reuse can we get that info?
hdd, optical drives, case.....monitor
 
I can re use my mouse,keyboard and I have a small 17 inch monitor.I can wait to upgrade the monitor as that is the least of my worries.
I am really looking for something that will hold me over until i7 becomes a bit cheaper.I had a 5000+ gateway before and it worked but it was slow.
I guess I am leaning more towards intel,kinda how I like nvidia over ati
 
The thing is I see the E7400 hitting 4ghz easily quite often.
I really dont see any reason why a E7400 wont hold me over until i7 becomes cheaper unless games start using 4 cores hard.That is why I was thinking of using a core 2 quad cpu also.

In all honesty the main game I will be playing will be call of duty series.I dont get into alot of other games and I know COD is not very demanding.
 
Bman123 said:
The thing is I see the E7400 hitting 4ghz easily quite often.
I really dont see any reason why a E7400 wont hold me over until i7 becomes cheaper unless games start using 4 cores hard.That is why I was thinking of using a core 2 quad cpu also.
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I honestly don't see that many cases of the E7400 hitting 4Ghz. Often 3.6Ghz, which is the same OC range as the X3 710/720. And you're missing the main point why we keep recommending the X3 710/720 over the E7400: As a result of Newegg's combo deals, the X3 710/720 + a compatible AMD mobo turns out to be significantly cheaper than an equally performing setup using the E7400 and compatible Intel mobo.
 
Honestly I dont like amd that much.The shit performance I got from the 5000+ cpu is what makes me not like them.Plus i have always seen that a intel cpu at the same speed as a amd cpu is faster with the C2D chips.
 
Bman123 said:
Honestly I dont like amd that much.The shit performance I got from the 5000+ cpu is what makes me not like them.Plus i have always seen that a intel cpu at the same speed as a amd cpu is faster with the C2D chips.
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Were you looking at old benchmarks or something? Current Phenom II CPUs do perform just as well as their Intel C2D counterparts. Especially the X2 7750 VS E5200, the Phenom II X3 710/720 VS E7400, and the Phenom II 940 VS the Q8400.

If you really hate AMD that much and are willing to stomach the higher cost, go for an Intel C2D/C2Q setup. PC_User already recommended an Intel setup for you.
 
Sorry Danny I just needed to see more benchmarks for the x3 710
I dont have the cash for all my parts now and that is a bitch with that amd combo like that.
I was hoping to buy some parts now and get my cpu,mobo last.

Now i gottta look at am2+ mobos and see what they go for.By the time I get the cash to buy everything I will probably have to buy a seperate mobo for the x3 710
 
$800 total is my budget for the upgrade and no I dont have it all right now.
I was trying to get a general idea in terms of what to buy when I do have the cash.

I was gonna buy the cheaper stuff first like the case,ram,hd,dvd drive, then buy the mobo,cpu,gpu and os last.

I have not been up on cpus lately so I had no idea what is going on.That is why I posted here to get a general Idea of my total cost and what I should be buying.
 
Unless you find a smokin deal, buy everything at once.

Again, Phenom2's perform on par with Core2, so you're not getting less performance. Heck, if you go with an X3, you're getting a whole extra CPU core over an E7400! :p

Danny probably doesn't have any AMD systems because he hasn't bought a new CPU since before Phenom2's came out.
 
enginurd said:
Danny probably doesn't have any AMD systems because he hasn't bought a new CPU since before Phenom2's came out.
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LOL! Well partially true: Haven't bought a new CPU for myself or my immediate household since the Phenom IIs came out. However I've picked up a few Lenovo PCs for $500 for my uncles a week or two ago from Fry's with Intel Quad-core CPUs and WD 640GB drives in 'em.

Oh well. :)
 
Here's 2 Quad Core builds one AMD one Intel.

The AMD has more hopes of being future proof considering the AM3 socket cpus are still being developed and release

Intel Build

Sony Optiarc Black DVD Burner with LightScribe SATA Model AD-7241S-0B - OEM - $29.99
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM - $69.99
XFX HD-485X-ZDFC Radeon HD 4850 1GB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail - $134.99
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK - Retail - $54.99
Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80580Q9400 - Retail - $219.99
Antec Three Hundred + Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P - $178.94

Total = $788.88 (All items in this cart have Free shipping right now)


AMD Build

All items are the same except you change the mobo and processor and add the case as a stand alone item

Antec Three Hundred - $58.95
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 +GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-UD4P AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail -$324.99

Total = $773.89 (Once again all items have Free Shipping right now)

If you plan to OC you should toss in a xigmatek s1283v "Dark Knight" - $41.99 (FS).

If it's not past the point of my eyes failing me that HSF should work with the intel or the amd build

Hope this is more of what you were looking for.
 
enginurd said:
Unless you find a smokin deal, buy everything at once.

I cannot afford to buy everything at once.The whole objective here was to gather a good parts list.This way I can buy the cheaper stuff now and the more expensive stuff on july 3rd.
I planned on getting the psu,case,hd,and dvd drive before july 3rd.
This way in july I can spend around $800 on a mobo,cpu,ram and video card
I can then save up and buy a bigger monitor later.Something like 1920x1080

I guess I just did not word my thread correctly sorry.
I am saying for $800 it should be something like this

i7 920 cpu
msi x58 mobo
6gig ram
gtx 280 or get a gtx 260 and a new monitor
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This stuff depreciates, so over time, things will either be cheaper or you can get more for your money. Case and PSU prices are pretty stable, so get those anytime -- I'd wait for a deal, though, since you obviously have time. The HDD I'd buy WITH the core parts (cpu/mobo/ram/gpu), simply because HDD prices tend to go down moreso than cases/psus. For instance, you may be able to get a larger HDD for the same price later. Monitors are always coming down in price... you can get a 23/24" for under $250 easily now. Since you have time, again, just wait for a deal.
 
Bman123 said:
I cannot afford to buy everything at once.The whole objective here was to gather a good parts list.This way I can buy the cheaper stuff now and the more expensive stuff on july 3rd.
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Why not just save up your money and then buy everything at once? Enginurd is right: parts will depreciate pretty quickly, even the cheap stuff.
 
Is the 720 that much more than the 710? Can't remember. I'd go for that if it's that much easier to overclock.

Quick question though, if I decide to overclock, I thought someone said I needed DDR2 1066 ram. Can I get away with 800?
 
i'm not familiar with AMD well not since the old days when you could unlock the duron's with a pencil. Ohhh the memories duron 600 running 1 ghz still to this day. It's the processor in a file server at my folks house........

With intel the faster the ram speed the more overhead for FSB OCing now unless i'm mistaken AMD chips didn't used to like FSB ocing.
 
A guy at work was talking about i5.I have no clue about this can you fill me in?
 
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