Ncore V1 No Frame Water Block Prototype Sneak Peek

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Very interested in this product.

If it works, perhaps it will motivated Intel or AMD sell enthusiast CPUs with integrated water blocks.
 

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Very interested in this product.

If it works, perhaps it will motivated Intel or AMD sell enthusiast CPUs with integrated water blocks.
Somebody needs to rig up something man...if you could have like a compressor co2 tank/canister tied to and in to the line some how lol, I don't know not the crazies trying to set records on Ln2 and probably killed boards doing it...
 
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Somebody needs to rig up something man...if you could have like a compressor co2 tank/canister tied to and in to the line some how lol, I don't know not the crazies trying to set records on Ln2 and probably killed boards doing it...
Someone should create an ammonium-cooled rig...
 

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personally i like the no mounting kit setup, looks cooler and way cleaner in the process.. all they'd really need to do is make the tabs that attach to the retention bracket slightly longer so there's less of a chance of it sliding out from the tabs on the bracket when you close it.
idk if that board is like that or not...like all the others not very great at undervolter and even then still hottt.
 

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This block makes me wish the ASRock Taichi came in bronze/copper. The two would look SICK together. I'm not a huge fan of the tab system they're using to hold the block in place, but it seems like a more than fair trade off if it allows you to ditch the backplate.
 

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Yeah he needs a Nickel version.
nickle would be great but honestly more important to just use liquid metal and crank up the GHZ!!!! I would love to test one of these blocks! my temps are already so low with my delidded chip (@ 5hz) that I would honestly be amazed if this block could get them lower, willing to find out though. ;)

Cant wait to see the results!
 

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How is the testing coming on this?
Am anxiously awaiting the results. This thing could be so cool, I really hope it works.
 
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Hi NUDEcnc here

I want to thank you, Kyle, for posting a video about the Ncore.
You took a risk of putting an unproven concept on your private CPU in the name of an innovation and this forum's amusement.

Also I would like to thank the forum for the warm welcoming of the design and novelty idea behind this project. I hope the testing goes well and look forward to see independent results.
 

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I would love to test this out on my delidded 8Gen CPU. it is running at 5Ghz and my temps never get above 60c, would love to see if this block can keep them even lower.
 

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The surface does not look too polish, engineering sample, so improvements are still in the works and fantastic this company gives it to [H]ardOCP to review and get some solid sound inputs! I am more impressed with that then the design, well waiting on initial results to see how that pans out.


Clearance between the chip and block is critical, not sure what variations there are between different CPU (same model), motherboard sockets etc. which could change that clearance from one sample to the next. The potential for great cooling is huge!!! Proper fit up or tests by the user maybe needed to get maximum heat transfer characteristics. Having shims, not on the die but for the interface with the raised surface maybe a solution if needed - I don't know but I would want almost 0 clearance but not putting undo stress on the CPU bare die to prevent damage.


Will the company also sell or provide the delidding kit as well?

The contact surface was machined but not polished. However, since then, I have revised the Ncore’s base design. This allowed me to improve the finish of the die contact surface. Final product will be grounded to achieve near to perfect flatness and surface finish.

If the Kickstarter will be success I’m planning to verify compatibility with wider intel range sockets. It looks that older generations could work with this design too.

Yes, there will be Ncore V1D version which has a delidding tool.
 
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I think it is an interesting idea, but I have overall concerns with the mount.


Copper is not the hardest material, so putting that kind of pressure on those tabs seems questionable. Because once you throw tubing on there, there is the potential for more side/angle pressure then a chip ihs would ever see. Along with kind of finessing the block and the cpu bracket, I can see a lot of people having problems.


I used Soildworks simulation to verify design with very high margin. I could do life testing on dead motherboard to verify this in real life.



For all of you who want to know the exact metal I use:

C106 / CW024A is phosphorous de-oxidised non-arsenical copper that is 99.9% pure.

Mechanical Property

Value

Proof Stress 50-340 MPa

Tensile Strength 200-360 MPa

Elongation A50 mm 50-5 %

Hardness Vickers 40 to 110 HV
 

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Cute. I think the audience for this type of block is pretty small though.

Looks well made excepting the plastic flow plate......



1) the mounting looks a little tricky. Not for the fat of fingers.

2) will it blend?

3) is the wire for disco lights?
They should be able to increase the size of the tabs a bit--I'm pretty sure the tabs on the ihs are bigger, and this effectively replaces it.


The rough milling could be a good thing or a bad thing with such a small contact area. Will probably be a few revisions testing this and other aspects.

In regards to small audience – I hope you will be wrong ;)

1) There will be detailed video with step by step installation. After little practice I can argue that its easier than “standard” installation.

I do believe that Ncore mounting mechanism is safer than “standard” as you do not have lose heavy bolts which you can drop on a motherboard and damage it.


2) Will it blend or bend :smug:? Notches in prototype send to Kyle are thinner than intendent in final design. If Kyle’s prototype won’t bend I can assume that it won’t in finished Ncore V1.

I’ve made extended computer simulation which confirmed that it should be not an issue

3) It’s single colour LED diode. Lack of space and additional cost of RGB light forced me to go with single colour light.
 

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In regards to small audience – I hope you will be wrong ;)

1) There will be detailed video with step by step installation. After little practice I can argue that its easier than “standard” installation.

I do believe that Ncore mounting mechanism is safer than “standard” as you do not have lose heavy bolts which you can drop on a motherboard and damage it.


2) Will it blend or bend :smug:? Notches in prototype send to Kyle are thinner than intendent in final design. If Kyle’s prototype won’t bend I can assume that it won’t in finished Ncore V1.

I’ve made extended computer simulation which confirmed that it should be not an issue

3) It’s single colour LED diode. Lack of space and additional cost of RGB light forced me to go with single colour light.

Would be a none issue for us that use rigid tubing ;)
 

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The contact surface was machined but not polished. However, since then, I have revised the Ncore’s base design. This allowed me to improve the finish of the die contact surface. Final product will be grounded to achieve near to perfect flatness and surface finish.

If the Kickstarter will be success I’m planning to verify compatibility with wider intel range sockets. It looks that older generations could work with this design too.

Yes, there will be Ncore V1D version which has a delidding tool.
I was curious if it was going to be for other sockets, because would be extremely interested on this with my upcoming I9 build. Do we have an ETA on the kickstarter ?
 

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I was curious if it was going to be for other sockets, because would be extremely interested on this with my upcoming I9 build. Do we have an ETA on the kickstarter ?
Did I miss something? are they coming out with a block for the i9? this block fits 1151.
 

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I like the built in delidder with the mounting bracket and the method of delidding.
I would appreciate being able to get the instructions without the use of a phone.

What OD tube does it take?
Will there be a 1/2" OD option?
 
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I like the built in delidder with the mounting bracket and the method of delidding.
I would appreciate being able to get the instructions without the use of a phone.

What OD tube does it take?
Will there be a 1/2" OD option?
Happy that you find the delidder interesting.

I will be putting a video instruction manuals for the Ncore. I wanted to give people an option to just scan a QR code. But there will be links to manuals available soon.

I used 12mm OD hard tubing and 13mm OD soft tubing. I do not think that it’s possible to fit bigger size than that.
 

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Happy that you find the delidder interesting.

I will be putting a video instruction manuals for the Ncore. I wanted to give people an option to just scan a QR code. But there will be links to manuals available soon.

I used 12mm OD hard tubing and 13mm OD soft tubing. I do not think that it’s possible to fit bigger size than that.
Thanks, thats exactly the size I want, even better the flow rate is designed for it.
1/2" = 12.7mm
 
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