NCASE M1 picture and build general log

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What does face-to-face mean?

The Samsung 840 Pro's are 7mm thick, so I'm assuming I should be good.

Here's a pic I took from someone here - http://imgur.com/eexX5tP
Is that what you mean by face to face? So on the left side there are mounting bracks, but on the right side I only connect 1 side to the mounting bracket?

I'm also assuming that having the wires going down would be easier then having them going up (Like in the picture) correct?
 
Nivaku said:
What does face-to-face mean?

The Samsung 840 Pro's are 7mm thick, so I'm assuming I should be good.

Here's a pic I took from someone here - http://imgur.com/eexX5tP
Is that what you mean by face to face? So on the left side there are mounting bracks, but on the right side I only connect 1 side to the mounting bracket?
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The way those drives are attached in the pic is not the intended way. They're not supposed to screw into the ODD bracket. By face-to-face I mean the front sides of the drives face eachother. Like in this pic.

Nivaku said:
I'm also assuming that having the wires going down would be easier then having them going up (Like in the picture) correct?
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There's more room below, so it should make it a bit easier.
 
Hello guys,

Finally cementing my plans for my M1. I have already picked up a H100i, a 1TB 7200 2.5" Hitachi, a 480GB M500 mSata drive, a BD-RE drive, 4 slipstream 15mm Scythe fans (1200rpm) for the H100i.

This brings me to my first question? anyone in the world I can figure out what screws to get to mount these guys to the Radiator. Obviously the original screws will be targeting a 25 or 30mm thickness.

Planned hardware will be the Asrock Z87 (with the msata on the back) and either a 4770k, 4771, or a 4770s (I don't plan on overclocking, so any of them are fine) With the H100i i don't know if I need to worry about power usage. I also am not sure I want to go with the extra 100Mhz of the 4771, I mean I won't be overclocking, and I won't be reselling, but do a really want a CPU that drops in value as much as a 4771 would as soon as I open the box, for an extra 100Mhz. This will keep me awake for a couple nights but I'll probably just go with the 4770K.

I'll also be getting 16GB of Geil 1866 Sniper.

My other two pieces up in the air is the PSU. I kind of like the SFX+ 500W that SS is coming out with, but I want to make sure it doesn't prevent me from installing a long Video card or mounting the HDD on the inside of the front. Otherwise I will wait out the 600W SFX sized PSU and hope it is quiet. Anyone know the dimensions and whether it would affect those two things.

The second is an R9 290, I know I am going to get one. I just don't know which to get and was hoping some people have had experience with a non reference. All the ones I see right now look like they would be too tall. Also does the openness adversely affect the the case to much (dumping in to much heat and causing Mobo or drive issues). Also since I will be having the H100i pulling in air from outside. I am trying to figure out if getting two fans to sit below the Video card would be a smart idea. I could always get the fans and do some tests. But if I am better without them I'd rather just save the money.
 
Phuncz said:
The loop needs to be fully bled but it's almost there, just some bubbles a few times an hour.
I've been running Unigine Valley for almost two hours and this is the result:


So I would call it a very nice upgrade.
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Hi Phuncz,

May I know your environment temperature?

I've been looking at a lot of AIO water cooling solutions because the average indoor temperature will be between 30 to 35 degree celcius during summer. It's always a major bummer.
 
Topweasel said:
Hello guys,

Finally cementing my plans for my M1. I have already picked up a H100i, a 1TB 7200 2.5" Hitachi, a 480GB M500 mSata drive, a BD-RE drive, 4 slipstream 15mm Scythe fans (1200rpm) for the H100i.

This brings me to my first question? anyone in the world I can figure out what screws to get to mount these guys to the Radiator. Obviously the original screws will be targeting a 25 or 30mm thickness.

Planned hardware will be the Asrock Z87 (with the msata on the back) and either a 4770k, 4771, or a 4770s (I don't plan on overclocking, so any of them are fine) With the H100i i don't know if I need to worry about power usage. I also am not sure I want to go with the extra 100Mhz of the 4771, I mean I won't be overclocking, and I won't be reselling, but do a really want a CPU that drops in value as much as a 4771 would as soon as I open the box, for an extra 100Mhz. This will keep me awake for a couple nights but I'll probably just go with the 4770K.

I'll also be getting 16GB of Geil 1866 Sniper.

My other two pieces up in the air is the PSU. I kind of like the SFX+ 500W that SS is coming out with, but I want to make sure it doesn't prevent me from installing a long Video card or mounting the HDD on the inside of the front. Otherwise I will wait out the 600W SFX sized PSU and hope it is quiet. Anyone know the dimensions and whether it would affect those two things.

The second is an R9 290, I know I am going to get one. I just don't know which to get and was hoping some people have had experience with a non reference. All the ones I see right now look like they would be too tall. Also does the openness adversely affect the the case to much (dumping in to much heat and causing Mobo or drive issues). Also since I will be having the H100i pulling in air from outside. I am trying to figure out if getting two fans to sit below the Video card would be a smart idea. I could always get the fans and do some tests. But if I am better without them I'd rather just save the money.
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Tom,

I'll be following your build really closely.
You are going for almost exactly what I am gunning for...
- 4xxxk series chip. [I'd like to overclock to 4.2-4.5 without spending hours fiddling and just use BIOS features to do the work.]
- R290 [I ought to be shot for this since I never got around building my FT03mini with a 280X/770GTX but my problem was that the cards were simply too long to fit into the FTmini] I'm looking at the reference types though....for blower style and for ease of after market coolers.

Hopefully your machine gets built without any trouble. :)
 
javidan said:
Hi Phuncz,

May I know your environment temperature?

I've been looking at a lot of AIO water cooling solutions because the average indoor temperature will be between 30 to 35 degree celcius during summer. It's always a major bummer.
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My ambient temp is usually around 20-21°C. 30-35°C is very hot, I think you should be expecting around 40°C idle and 65°C load at a minimum. This is not an issue though, as the GPU components can easily hit 95°C and the Core i-series CPU is specced for I believe 85°C.

But mind you, those are using my fan profile. If you adjust your fan profile you can hit lower temps. For instance, now in idle with the fans at 960rpm, I'm reading 30°C at GPU and CPU. If it set the fans at max (1800 rpm), it drops a few degrees. Considering I'm so close to the ambient, this is still noteworthy.

But how about A/C ? Is that an option ? Not that it's needed but I can't imagine sitting at my computer at that temperature. Then again, Belgium is happy when we have 25°C in the summer with an odd day a year we hit 30+°C.
 
Phuncz said:
My ambient temp is usually around 20-21°C. 30-35°C is very hot, I think you should be expecting around 40°C idle and 65°C load at a minimum. This is not an issue though, as the GPU components can easily hit 95°C and the Core i-series CPU is specced for I believe 85°C.

But how about A/C ? Is that an option ? Not that it's needed but I can't imagine sitting at my computer at that temperature. Then again, Belgium is happy when we have 25°C in the summer with an odd day a year we hit 30+°C.
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35°C is inside the housing shade. :)
In a full blown summer where you get 40-45 under a shaded tree, that's when things get cooking. :eek:

The AIO coolers changed the game for an "I've only ever used screwdrivers" individual like myself. It's almost like a mini A/C unit which doesn't eat your utility bill just for the PC.

If I ran the A/C during those days for most of the summer, I can build myself another computer or two with the electric bill. :(

Now, I have a good idea how the machine can handle loads when I'm running the A/C. Thanks!
 
javidan said:
Tom,

I'll be following your build really closely.
You are going for almost exactly what I am gunning for...
- 4xxxk series chip. [I'd like to overclock to 4.2-4.5 without spending hours fiddling and just use BIOS features to do the work.]
- R290 [I ought to be shot for this since I never got around building my FT03mini with a 280X/770GTX but my problem was that the cards were simply too long to fit into the FTmini] I'm looking at the reference types though....for blower style and for ease of after market coolers.

Hopefully your machine gets built without any trouble. :)
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The problem is that the blower on the 290 refs are so bad at a full size case from preventing throttling and that even in full size cases require the fans to spin up so much that that the noise for some has been distracting.

That's why I am going more for an aftermarket and leaving the bottom of the case clear for fans if I need them.

Biggest issue I really see is the screws for the Slipstreams, I have no idea on where to start to look for them.
 
Does anyone have a FT03 mini they can take a comparison picture next to the M1? I currently have a FT03 mini which I really like but am considering the switch to the M1 due to graphics card compatibility. I do not want to cut the bottom of my FT03 mini to allow longer cards.
 
So, the plan is to get NCASE M1 v2, but there's few things I'm uncertain about even after reading the compatibility lists

I _think_ these should fit in, but if anyone spots something that wouldn't fit, would you please let me know?

- Core i5/i7 + Mini-ITX motherboard (most likely i5-3570K + unknown board since I have the CPU already, but it depends on whether our offices have compatible mini-ITX boards around or not, might have to update CPU to Haswell if we don't)
- 2x 4GB Ripjaws X DDR3-1600
- Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 Windforce OC
- 3x 3.5" HDD + 1x Samsung 830 SSD
- Antec Kühler H2O 620 (fan replaced with Scythe Slipstream)
- Silverstone 600W modular SFX PSU

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Also, due quite tight packed insides, do you reckon one should use actual case fans for such build, or can CPU with Kühler, GPU on it's Windforce and PSU on it's own survive as is?
 
Pictures like this from hyp36rmax get me wondering if for the glory of doing it has anyone tried to put an Alphacool NexXxoS ST30 (278 x 125 x 30 mm) coupled with a pair of those slim 120mm fans or even pasive at the bottom? Is it possible? Eventually the heat will find it's way up, 2x 240mm in this case would be epic.

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Kaotika said:
I _think_ these should fit in, but if anyone spots something that wouldn't fit, would you please let me know?

- Core i5/i7 + Mini-ITX motherboard (most likely i5-3570K + unknown board since I have the CPU already, but it depends on whether our offices have compatible mini-ITX boards around or not, might have to update CPU to Haswell if we don't)
- 2x 4GB Ripjaws X DDR3-1600
- Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 Windforce OC
- 3x 3.5" HDD + 1x Samsung 830 SSD
- Antec Kühler H2O 620 (fan replaced with Scythe Slipstream)
- Silverstone 600W modular SFX PSU

Also, due quite tight packed insides, do you reckon one should use actual case fans for such build, or can CPU with Kühler, GPU on it's Windforce and PSU on it's own survive as is?
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I think I can all physically fit, but since you'll need to use two of the 3.5" drive mounts under the GPU, you might find some issues with heat. I personally would go with less drives.

armartins said:
Pictures like this from hyp36rmax get me wondering if for the glory of doing it has anyone tried to put an Alphacool NexXxoS ST30 (278 x 125 x 30 mm) coupled with a pair of those slim 120mm fans or even pasive at the bottom? Is it possible? Eventually the heat will find it's way up, 2x 240mm in this case would be epic.
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Did you see Gandergray's post here? http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1040884531&postcount=11884
 
WiSK said:
I think I can all physically fit, but since you'll need to use two of the 3.5" drive mounts under the GPU, you might find some issues with heat. I personally would go with less drives.
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Isn't it two drives face-to-face next to the PSU (losing one of the side 120mm fan mounts) in the volume vacated by using an SFX PSU rather than ATX, and a single 3.5" on the floor (don't think you can even fit two there)? If you put the lower HDD to the rear, and use a GPU with a blower, it shouldn't obstruct too much direct airflow. Prevents you from mounting a lower 120mm fan, but a 92mm or 80mm should still fit.
 
EdZ said:
Isn't it two drives face-to-face next to the PSU (losing one of the side 120mm fan mounts) in the volume vacated by using an SFX PSU rather than ATX, and a single 3.5" on the floor (don't think you can even fit two there)? If you put the lower HDD to the rear, and use a GPU with a blower, it shouldn't obstruct too much direct airflow. Prevents you from mounting a lower 120mm fan, but a 92mm or 80mm should still fit.
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Ah yes, you are right, you can't get two 3.5" drives on the bottom.

So it depends if he can get the 2x3.5" cage and a Kuhler 620 all on the side bracket?
 
The Khuler 620 is a single 120mm AIO, so it should fit in the rear mount of the side panel bracket while the two 3.5" drives occupy the forward mount.
 
Can anyone confirm whether or not the XFX 290 DD cooler fits in the M1? according to the specs its about 0.1 inches too high, but i figure the M1 has a bit of leeway in the specs for max card height without touching the side panel.

Anyone got any experience with the XFX DD coolers in their M1?
 
I decided, since I'm waiting for SX600-G and have an M1 v2 on order, to give my case to my Dad. He likes James Bond so I made a secret compartment. Still need to sleeve and arrange a few of the cables.

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WiSK said:
I decided, since I'm waiting for SX600-G and have an M1 v2 on order, to give my case to my Dad. He likes James Bond so I made a secret compartment. Still need to sleeve and arrange a few of the cables.

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Very cool. Does it hold a defibrulator? :D

[EDIT]: definitely not implying that your dad needs access to one.
 
Blorgon said:
Very cool. Does it hold a defibrulator? :D

[EDIT]: definitely not implying that your dad needs access to one.
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Haha, I'd forgotten that scene from Casino Royale. Although, if it turns out I've done the soldering badly, it could well end up providing that functionality :p

I was thinking of mundane spy-accessories: false passport, fake ID for Universal Exports, miniature gun (with hidden USB), keys for the Aston Martin (with hidden spycam).
 
WiSK said:
Haha, I'd forgotten that scene from Casino Royale. Although, if it turns out I've done the soldering badly, it could well end up providing that functionality :p

I was thinking of mundane spy-accessories: false passport, fake ID for Universal Exports, miniature gun (with hidden USB), keys for the Aston Martin (with hidden spycam).
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Bahaha. So, definitely no exploding pens...
 
Hi, WiSK I really want to sleeve my M1 rev 2 wen it gets here, and your sleeving looks awesome, I was just wondering what I should get from MDPC would the sleeve kit and some tools be enough or should I order extra stuff so I can practice?
For the most important question though: What color should I get *checks sleeve kit* guess I will have to go with black
 
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Hey Peter

You don't need all that stuff in the sleeve kit. I did that PSU with just a bit over 12 meters of sleeve, so even if it's your first time, then 20 meters should be plenty. The important thing is to get lots of pre-cut heatshrink, instead of getting just enough. That way you can practice to get it just right, without worrying that you will run out.

Presuming you want to sleeve the ST45SF-G or SX600-G then I would get the following:

2 x Sleeve SMALL - BLACK
1 x Sleeve SATA - BLACK
3 x Pre-Cut Heatshrink SMALL - ANTHRACITE
1 x Heatshrink SATA - ANTHRACITE
1 x Pin-Remover by MOLEX - The Original
1 x MDPC Crimping-Tool - 6th Anniversary
2 x Crimp contacts FEMALE for ATX, PCIE, EPS
1 x SATA Power-Connector THROUGH (3 pack)

Obviously black sleeve is nice and goes with everything, but you can try Shade19 (almost black) or a colour or combination of colours that you like and matches your build.
 
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I thought I should point out an alternative to the Noctua NH-C14: the Scythe Kabuto II. Like NH-C14, it reaches all the way to near the side bracket for better airflow.
 
I am currently using H100i but when I got this Ncase, what is best option to cpu? Because I am using one 3,5" hard drive. H80 or H60? Because I want to keep Ncase bottom to clear for GPU.

My CPU (2600k) is running 4.5GHz.
 
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cowsgomoo said:
I thought I should point out an alternative to the Noctua NH-C14: the Scythe Kabuto II. Like NH-C14, it reaches all the way to near the side bracket for better airflow.
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Looks like a good alternative for the C14 and even more so for the C12/L12. Same mass as the larger C14, but without obstructing the side 3.5" HDD rack in the M1, and no side gap (and cheaper too).

Good find, thanks!
 
AFD said:
Looks like a good alternative for the C14 and even more so for the C12/L12. Same mass as the larger C14, but without obstructing the side 3.5" HDD rack in the M1, and no side gap (and cheaper too).

Good find, thanks!
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There's actually a 4-5mm gap to the side bracket with a 25mm fan on, despite being listed as 130mm tall like the NH-C14. With the supplied fan filter attached on top of that, that's 2-3mm more. But this is easily fixable by padding it with one or two 2mm fan silencers from ebay.
 
cowsgomoo said:
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I thought I should point out an alternative to the Noctua NH-C14: the Scythe Kabuto II. Like NH-C14, it reaches all the way to near the side bracket for better airflow.
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Good find ! I've also looked into the Kabuto II but I thought it wouldn't possibly fit. Nice one !
 
Wow, that's nuts.. very nice WiSK!

You need fake data/pwr cables going to the false 3.5" drive, otherwise it's a dead giveaway :D
 
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