My problem with NVIDIA

pillagenburn

pillagenburn

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have you seen the 320mb 8800GTS prices lately?

Since 1-3 months ago, they've actually GONE UP.

You cannot, now, buy one (unless you get a ridiculous MIR rebate deal, but even then) for under ~$300. In fact, Newegg scarcely has one in stock for under $280. I remember seeing them all over the place for $250-260 some months ago.

Then let's look at the 8600GT and 8600GTS. Performance on these cards, unless overclocked, is roughly that of 7600gt-7900gt or less. the 7950gt 256mb, in fact, even beats out the 8600gts in many tests! The price of the 8600gts is about 2/3 that of the 8800gts 320mb, so why not just spend the extra $100-125? Don't you see something wrong with that? The 8600GTS is a $130 card, the 8600GT is a $100 card, 'nuff said.

So what's the problem? NVIDIA makes good cards!

they do, but...

In considering your next video card purchase - you may want to take a closer look at ATI's offerings. I personally am going to try to hold out for a mid-end ATI HD 2600XT card so that I don't have to purchase a NVIDIA card. The reasoning behind this is because of the price increase of the 8800GTS 320MB cards and relatively abysmal 8600gt(s) performance. If you want more of this kind of crap, keep buying NVIDIA and shutting ATI out of your mind for being late to the party. (bear in mind that I'm running a 6800GT 256MB right now)

I will agree that the HD2900XT launch was mostly a flop. However, the card does show a LITTLE promise (overclocking, newer FSAA modes etc etc).

I'm no ATI zealot, but I do hate anything that even remotely looks monopolistic (see Intel circa Pentium 2 era). NVIDIA is starting to stink of monopolistic practices, so I urge you all to atleast LOOK at ATI's offerings!
 
You aren't going to change consumer value perception. The only way you as an individual will have any bearing on market pricing is if you sabotage Nvidia or happen to be an EE Genius and end up working for AMD.
 
It's always like this. Noob. The mid-range is always $100~ lower than the low high-range. And about the price of the 320mb going up, so? It's just supply and demand. It's not like nVidia sets up rebates, they're manufacture rebates. I have a feeling you're just whining because you want a 320mb 8800gts and they were cheaper before.:rolleyes:

Also, the 8600gt/s also o/cs well and has new AA modes..:rolleyes:
 
lol its interesting you posted this OP, i just started looking at the 8600GTS as maybe a tide over card for my HTPC until the HD2400 comes out.. i figured it was a budget type of card and to say the least i was suprised at how much it was..


i was disappointed by the HD2900XT launch as well, but with the Nvidia prices the way they are i'll just wait a little longer now..
 
Well, really the point of the post was to offer a little perspective as to what's going on in the market (albeit opinionated perspective).

And yea, I was wanting an 8800GTS 320mb previously at mid-200$ range. Now I'm not going to get that and have to settle for a SIGNIFICANTLY lesser card - who wouldn't be upset? It's as if NVIDIA realized that the HD2900XT wouldn't blow the doors off of their products, so they raised their prices. JUST when I finally scrounged up the cash to be in the market for a new video card.

This compelled me to look at ATI's offerings. I may end up getting an 8600GTS if the price is low enough, just to tide me over. I'm getting BF2142 in the mail soon, and a 6800GT won't come close to playing that at 1920x1200 2-4xaa/16xaf.
 
pillagenburn said:
Well, really the point of the post was to offer a little perspective as to what's going on in the market (albeit opinionated perspective).
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Meh... :rolleyes:

pillagenburn said:
And yea, I was wanting an 8800GTS 320mb previously at mid-200$ range. Now I'm not going to get that and have to settle for a SIGNIFICANTLY lesser card - who wouldn't be upset? It's as if NVIDIA realized that the HD2900XT wouldn't blow the doors off of their products, so they raised their prices. JUST when I finally scrounged up the cash to be in the market for a new video card.
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So you are absolutely positive that this price increase is the work of nVidia and not the work of the retailer? Assuming that it is (big, evil... insert favorite negative adjective here) nVidia who are responsible for the price hike you are also positive that it has nothing to do with increases in component, manufactoring or distribution costs? Either way -supply and demand...


pillagenburn said:
This compelled me to look at ATI's offerings. I may end up getting an 8600GTS if the price is low enough, just to tide me over. I'm getting BF2142 in the mail soon, and a 6800GT won't come close to playing that at 1920x1200 2-4xaa/16xaf.
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So because you are dissatified with paying $300 for something you expected to pay $250-260 for you just call quits and goes to ATI where price / performance (for the moment atleast) is bound to be worse? That does not make sencce to me...

Oh and this is not an attempt to start a flamewar, I'm just offering a little (more) perspective... ;)
 
the entire gpu market stinks right now........unless you are an enthusiast, but for ppl other $ conscious consumers it stinks.
 
pillagenburn said:
And yea, I was wanting an 8800GTS 320mb previously at mid-200$ range. Now I'm not going to get that and have to settle for a SIGNIFICANTLY lesser card - who wouldn't be upset? It's as if NVIDIA realized that the HD2900XT wouldn't blow the doors off of their products, so they raised their prices. JUST when I finally scrounged up the cash to be in the market for a new video card.
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Dude...you realize that Nvidia has no control over what price newegg sells its products at, right? When alot of people buy a product, it means there is demand...and often if the demand is high enough, you can raise the price and sell less cards, make the same amount of money, and have lower costs because you had to buy less product to sell!


Also, check out www.ncix.com for a 320mb 8800gts for 299 CANADIAN DOLLARS, which is about 265 in US funds. Though the sale ends tonite, another sale will be up shortly thereafter, and i bet you'll find much the same price :)
 
well, 8800gts doesn't include the hardware h.264 - that was my other gripe.

thanks for the link to the 8800gts EVGA with the rebate!
 
Most people probably use libavc, especially the anime group, because it's well integrated into CCCP (which has ffdshow).
 
i m in no hurry to invest in a dx10 card because the dx10 games aren t here. it is way too soon to call the R600 a dog... bleeding edge hardware always has some rough edges, lets see whats what when the next gen games come out and all parties involved have had more time to develop drivers + patches.
 
Cyrilix said:
Most people probably use libavc, especially the anime group, because it's well integrated into CCCP (which has ffdshow).
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Unfortunately, libavc is too slow.:( Which is why CoreAVC is much better.:D
 
aznx said:
Unfortunately, libavc is too slow.:( Which is why CoreAVC is much better.:D
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Well, you're sort of right.

When I play 720p anime encoded in h.264 it takes some 50-80% of a single core. I wouldn't want to think what would happen if I tried to play 1080p.
 
Everything is expensive. I dont see anything changing.

Look at gas. its extrememly high. And people still buy it. Supply and demand...How the world goes around..
 
Cyrilix said:
Well, you're sort of right.

When I play 720p anime encoded in h.264 it takes some 50-80% of a single core. I wouldn't want to think what would happen if I tried to play 1080p.
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You should get CoreAVC, one way or another.
 
So what? Your problems not with Nvidia its with the retailers anyway. Either way maybe you should pull your head out of neweggs ass and look around the GTS320 is going for about $280 all over the fucking place.

If you want to be mad at someone for any price increases you should blame ATI first. They fucked up and left the market unchallenged to Nvidia for so long then released a card thats a steaming pile of shit for twice what its worth. Its business and if i where in charge at Nvidia i would do the same and make ATI pay for thinking they can gouge the fuck out of their new card thats not as fast as the Nvidia card less than 2/3 its price.

Either way look around you and see whats really going on this is how the market works and when a technology powerhouse like Nvidia is left unchecked by its competitors then expect prices to go up.

In the end the GTS 320 is one hell of a powerfull card that can be had under $300 if your mad that you get outstanding performance for less than 3 bills your too picky anyway. Given ATI's shit lately you cant touch that price performance ratio and dont expect their midrange cards to be priced fair either.
 
something wrong with MSRP? cause the MSRP is 299 on evga's base line 320mb GTS... anything under that is money you save... its alos backordered on eVGA's site... so chances are its hard to get enough supply, that if the prices were any lower, it would be impossible to stock. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820150054 like that stuff. its sells out so incredibly fast...
 
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