My New Comp

Are you in Canada or the US? You have links to both Canadian and US websites.

I'm going to assume that you're an American:

Ditch the Case and PSU combo. The PSU is a total piece of shit. Unless you want a dead PC, don't get that case/PSU combo. Go with this case/PSU combo instead:
Antec NSK4480 ATX Case with Antec Earthwatts 380W PSU - $80

Ditch the HD3870 as well. You can get the significantly faster HD4850 for not much more:
Gigabyte GV-R485-512H-B Radeon HD 4850 512MB PCI-E Video Card - $170

Ditch the P5W DH Deluxe since it's old tech now, overkill, and horribly expensive at that. You can get a newer better performing for that much money. Some motherboard recommendations:
Gigabyte GA-EP43-DS3L Intel P43 Motherboard - $90
MSI P45 Neo3-FR Intel P45 Motherboard - $112
Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3R Intel P45 Motherboard - $128
Asus P5Q Pro Intel P45 Motherboard - $140
Biostar TPower I45 Intel P45 Motherboard - $150
DFI Lanparty DK X38-T2R Intel X38 Motherboard - $180
Asus P5E Deluxe Intel X48 Motherboard - $220
DFI Lanparty DK X48-T2R Intel X48 Motherboard - $220
Gigabyte GA-X48-DS4 Intel X48 Motherboard - $225

Just to help you out: All of these motherboards have PCI-E 2.0 which may be useful for future GPU upgrades. If you don't need RAID, more than 6 SATA ports and only need semi-decent overclocking, check out the DS3L. If you need 8 SATA ports, RAID, 4 PCI slots, and legacy ports, then get the Neo3-Fr. If you don't need more than 6 SATA ports but want RAID, firewire, a second PCI-E x16 port, a second gigabit port, support for 16GB of RAM, optional eSATA, x8/x8 Crossfire, and great overclocks, then get the DS3R. If you like the DS3R but need 8 SATA ports, want an onboard pre-installed fast booting Linux setup, just support for 8GB of RAM, and don't need a second gigabit port, get the Asus P5Q Pro. If you want a motherboard with excellent overclocking capabilities above all else (feature wise), go with the I45. If you want Crossfire with full x16/x16 bandwidth, get the Lanparty DK X38. If you have cash to burn, need x16/x16 Crossfire, and don't give a damn about getting the most value for your money, get the Asus, DFI, or Gigabyte X48 motherboards. Do note that the Asus website can be slow sometimes.

Also, spend the extra $10 for this significantly faster drive:
Western Digital WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - $85

And finally, get the Q6600 from newegg.com for $15 cheaper:
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 CPU - $190
 
Holy shit you have been so much of a help :p
i dont really know what you mean buy 16G of ram when there are 2 DIMM slots? could the MB and Process even soupport 16G?

I had already decided to upgrade the graphics card before and found that exact same one :p

And im swtiching out my DVD/CD drive, i dont need blue ray at all lol.


as for the P5W DH Deluxe i just kinda picked it because i was going to build a hackontish at first and that board is really compatible but then i changed my mind but never swtiched MB's

Finialy will 2.4Ghz be enough? and how can i tell the front side bus of the Motherboards because i know that affects speed.

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Re done list :]

Case http://www.buy.com/prod/antec-new-s...atts-380w-psu-silver/q/loc/101/204901695.html 75$

Graphics Card= http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125224 170$


motherboard= http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10008670 131$


Processer= http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017 189$

RAM=http://www.ncixus.com/products/25352/OCZ2P8004GK/OCZ%20Technology/ 66.70

Hard drive(650G)= http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136218 85$


Cd/Dvd Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106226 23$ (THATS FROM $249.99) lol


ABOUT 750 :p:p
 
Every single motherboard that I listed has 4 DIMM slots. A few P45 motherboards can support 16GB of RAM like the one I specfically mentioned. There are 16GB RAM sets out there but they're expensive right now.

2.4Ghz enough for what? Gaming? If so yes. To find out the FSB of the motherboards, just look them up at the manufacturer website. But every single motherboard listed above will support your Q6600 CPU.

Every single motherboard that I listed has 4 DIMM slots. A few P45 motherboards can support 16GB of RAM like the one I specifically mentioned. There are 16GB RAM sets out there but they're expensive right now.

2.4Ghz enough for what? Gaming? If so yes. Though if you buy a 3rd party HSF like this one:
ZEROtherm Nirvana NV120 120mm HSF - $50

You'll be able to overclock the Q6600 to 3.0Ghz, which is more than enough for any game out there. Oh and Tto find out the FSB of the motherboards, just look them up at the manufacturer website. But every single motherboard listed above will support your Q6600 CPU and can handle at least 400Mhz (non-quad pumped) FSB.

Ditch the NSK4480B. THe PSU is not powerful enough for both the Q6600 and HD4850. Just go with the Antec Sonata III from buy.com for $5 more since it comes with a significantly larger PSU.

Ditch the Lite-On burner since A) it's loud and B) it's IDE. Get a SATA DVD burner for a cleaner case:
Samsung SH-222F 22X DVD±R SATA DVD Burner - $27
 
i already posted that i was swtiching to a better case, now to find a CD/DVd drive

and your right espicaly if i overclock it then i will need a 3rd party heat sync for sure.

ill probaly end up getting like 6-8 G of RAM cuz ill do video edding on it as well.
This is fun
1. Im a mac user and getting into another OS as well (even if it sucks (no im not going to use vista) and its good experience.
2. Im a software person (programmer) so hardware is a nice change
3. I can finialy play games, and its cheap.

PS: Can Windows XP even souuport 6G's of Ram?
 
Drop the OCZ RAM. Choose one of the following two sets of RAM:

A-DATA 2x2GB DDR2 800 dual channel kit - $75
G.Skill 2x2GB DDR2 800 dual channel kit - $80

Though they're not as cheap as the after-rebate price of the OCZ kit, you get "immediate" savings plus free shipping.

But hey, if you really want to play with mail-in rebates...

OCZ Gold 2x2GB DDR2 800 dual channel kit - $80 with free shipping & $30 MIR

Though DDR2 RAM is pretty cheap right now, there's really no reason for you to need more than 4GB of RAM. (To properly utilize it, though, you should considering purchasing a 64-bit version of your favorite OS. If you need one, a 64-bit OEM copy of Vista Home Premium costs as low as $80 before shipping.)

And next time, please, list the names of the parts like Danny and I have done. Help us help you....
 
clR3vv said:
i already posted that i was swtiching to a better case, now to find a CD/DVd drive

and your right espicaly if i overclock it then i will need a 3rd party heat sync for sure.

ill probaly end up getting like 6-8 G of RAM cuz ill do video edding on it as well.
This is fun
1. Im a mac user and getting into another OS as well (even if it sucks (no im not going to use vista) and its good experience.
2. Im a software person (programmer) so hardware is a nice change
3. I can finialy play games, and its cheap.

PS: Can Windows XP even souuport 6G's of Ram?
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Here's a good one that you'll like and cheap too: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106265

To respond to your question about XP only 64-bit versions of windows can address more than 4GB of memory space. 32-bit can only address 4GB max with even less used due to overhead of the graphics memory. 64-bit can address up 128GB of memory.

In my honest opinion, I recommend using Vista instead of XP. Vista has growing support and XP will be phased out next year.

Remember if you have anymore questions were are here to help.
 
Thanks again guys this is the most helpful forum i have joined on ANY subject.

As for the ram

OCZ Gold 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800


What makes that better then what i had listed before? Will it work well with overclocking to 3Ghz?

Well ill get a 64Bit system because i might want to expand my ram from 4G to more later.
As for what version of the OS im really unsure Vista is so unsecure
Here you can read about it
Me personaly am into hacking and i know how easy someone can break into a vista system. I have a new options get 2 hard drives and use one for XP and one for VIsa (1 of the drives would be like a 10G drive just for the OS and i would set the BIOS to boot from it). Or i can start with XP and maybe upgrade later if im feeling like it.

Yes it was a blue ray drive, i dont know what i was thinking, someone pointed it out to me and i was like ohhh thats why this thing costs so much.


EDIT, what about This processer (wolfdale 3.0Ghz) its not that expensive and its better.

Also on newegg i read this,
Cons: I have seen 0 programs that actually use all of the cores. Most just use one so you won't be getting very good speeds. Gaming too. Crysis is optimized for quadcore (so they say) but I have had one processor go to 100 (which is 25 percent of the cpu) several times. E6600 will be better if you want power now at an affordable price.
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Is that true?
 
The RAM tiraides listed is $80, and the RAM you listed is $96 @ NCIXus.com, so its cheaper for the same performance. However, the same RAM from NCIX is only $82 at the egg, also with a $30MIR, so you can still get it if you still want it.

Yes, you'll be able to OC fine with DDR2-800.

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Formulas for Intel platform @ 1:1 settings: (base FSB speed is SDR, or single data rate)
c x [Base FSB speed] = CPU speed (c = CPU Multiplier)
2 x [Base FSB speed] = RAM speed (DDR: double data rate)
4 x [Base FSB speed] = FSB speed (QDR: quad data rate; Effective FSB speed)

On Intel platforms, running the RAM higher than a 1:1 ratio with the CPU is, for the most part, useless, so don't bother trying to do so. If the BIOS does it for you, just let it. All you need is a 1:1 config, though. Here's some possible clock speeds (as always with OC'ing, your results will vary):

Q6600: 9 × 266 = 2.4Ghz, DDR2-533 << STOCK speeds
Q6600: 9 × 333 = 3.0Ghz, DDR2-667 << Nice OC
Q6600: 9 × 378 = 3.4Ghz, DDR2-756 << Good OC, near max for B3 stepping
Q6600: 9 × 400 = 3.6Ghz, DDR2-800 << Great OC, near max for G0 stepping

You won't notice the difference between CL4 and CL5, unless you're running benchmarks (and even then, its negligible), so don't pay much of a price premium for lower latency.
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clR3vv said:
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EDIT, what about This processer (wolfdale 3.0Ghz) its not that expensive and its better.

Also on newegg i read this,
Cons: I have seen 0 programs that actually use all of the cores. Most just use one so you won't be getting very good speeds. Gaming too. Crysis is optimized for quadcore (so they say) but I have had one processor go to 100 (which is 25 percent of the cpu) several times. E6600 will be better if you want power now at an affordable price.
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Is that true?
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That quote may be old, because the E6600 has been EOL (end of life, out of production) for over a year now. Its replacement is the E8400.

The Wolfdale E8400 is better for pure gaming on 99% of the games (1% is Crysis, SupCom, and Flight Sim X). If all you do is play games, then yes, a Wolfdale would be better.

However, on the flip side, for extreme multi-tasking, the quadcore would be much better, especially if you do any 3D rendering, media encoding/decoding, and anything else that takes up a ton of computing power.

I think people misunderstand the quadcore... its not supposed to give you 4x the performance. A software program can only be improved by 50% at most, IMO, if programmed well to begin with. Yes, future apps and games will be coded to take more advantage of multiple cores, so if you want to keep this system running for a long time, 3+ yrs, then a quadcore would be a good idea.
 
Yea OSX 10.6 is souposed to take advantage of Quad cores im excited :p
My Mac is a 2Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo so that only a 2 core right?

Ill probaly only get COD4 and Crysis then the rest ill use for Video editing and what ever else i want to do with it, Im going to end up having 3 moniters on my desk lol.

So ill stick with the 2.4 and just clock it up.

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Formulas for Intel platform @ 1:1 settings: (base FSB speed is SDR, or single data rate)
c x [Base FSB speed] = CPU speed (c = CPU Multiplier)
2 x [Base FSB speed] = RAM speed (DDR: double data rate)
4 x [Base FSB speed] = FSB speed (QDR: quad data rate; Effective FSB speed)

On Intel platforms, running the RAM higher than a 1:1 ratio with the CPU is, for the most part, useless, so don't bother trying to do so. If the BIOS does it for you, just let it. All you need is a 1:1 config, though. Here's some possible clock speeds (as always with OC'ing, your results will vary):

Q6600: 9 × 266 = 2.4Ghz, DDR2-533 << STOCK speeds
Q6600: 9 × 333 = 3.0Ghz, DDR2-667 << Nice OC
Q6600: 9 × 378 = 3.4Ghz, DDR2-756 << Good OC, near max for B3 stepping
Q6600: 9 × 400 = 3.6Ghz, DDR2-800 << Great OC, near max for G0 stepping

You won't notice the difference between CL4 and CL5, unless you're running benchmarks (and even then, its negligible), so don't pay much of a price premium for lower latency.
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remember im very new to hardware so that dosnt make sence, what i get out of it is that with the quad core 2.4Ghz i could clock it up to 3.6Ghz with my RAM?

hmm good thing im getting a third party Heat sync i dont wana mess up my processer. And duh if i do clock it up to that i wouldnt leave it like that for to long because its bad for it.
 
clR3vv said:
Also on newegg i read this,

Is that true?
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One thing you should know: take Newegg reviews with a huge grain of salt. I.E don't trust them that much. A good majority of newegg reviews are written by noobs, newbies or ignorant people. Look on forums or hardware review sites for more knowledgeable answers.

Anyway, enginurd already answered that question for me, so no more typing :D

AFAIK, Macs don't have quad-core CPUs, except for their Mac Pros, so yes that 2GHz C2D is a dual-core CPU. In fact, it's a laptop dual-core CPU IIRC.

3.6Ghz is the average limit on the Q6600. But a 3.0Ghz OC is pretty common among the Q6600. All of what Enginurd wrote is just math. Keep reading it. Another way to look at that math:

Stated FSB/4 = Actual FSB
Multiplier x Actual FSB = CPU Speed
1:1 Ratio: 2 x Actual FSB = RAM Speed
1:1 Ratio: FSB = 1/2 RAM speed

Q6600:
Multi x Actual FSB, Stated FSB, RAM Speed = Clock Speed
9 x 266Mhz, 1066Mhz, DDR2 533 RAM = 2.4Ghz <== Stock Speeds
9 x 333Mhz, 1333Mhz, DDR2 667 RAM = 3.0Ghz <== Good OC
9 x 400Mhz, 1600Mhz, DDR2 800 RAM = 3.6Ghz <== Excellent OC, About the Max
 
ok, ill read that a bit closer, but i got all the parts to a killer PC :) it would be really cool if i could make money doing this. lol

would this be an even better card?

here

Also someone told me that power supply wont be enough.

And i think if im going to run it at 3.0Ghz usualy i should get this heat sync.

the one.
 
Dude, most people are asleep at this time. Next time, wait at least 24 hours (without a response, mind you) before bumping this thread.

Right now, AMD/ATI has the performance crown in video cards. The HD4850 is better than the 8800GT in gaming. If you're playing games on a 22-24 inch monitor, however, go with the HD4870. Stick with VisionTek, as it has the best warranty out of all the AMD/ATI-based card manufacturers.

Go with a different CPU cooler, like the Xigmatek HDT-S1283. You should also purchase the retention bracket, which makes mounting the CPU cooler much easier.
 
You sure thats a better CPU cooler the fan from the other one looks bad ass. Yea im going to be playing crysis i should get the better video card. Moniter will be like the most expensive part of the comp lol.

YUMM
 
clR3vv said:
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Well ill get a 64Bit system because i might want to expand my ram from 4G to more later.
As for what version of the OS im really unsure Vista is so unsecure
Here you can read about it
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That's completely wrong, read this and this.

Basically, Vista has all the protections in XP and then some, but some of the additional security in Vista was broken, which didn't suprise anyone who understands security because these 'broken' security mechanisms were designed to make exploitation difficult, but not impossible, the hackers merely went through the trouble of countering them. Other protections in Vista such as UAC and IE 7's protected mode sandbox have not been broken at all, which XP doesn't have either. So using XP because of those security concerns would be really daft.
 
clR3vv said:
You sure thats a better CPU cooler the fan from the other one looks bad ass. Yea im going to be playing crysis i should get the better video card. Moniter will be like the most expensive part of the comp lol.

YUMM
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It's one of the best CPU coolers out there. I'm pretty sure about that.

Which monitor size/resolution (or, which specific monitor) did you have in mind?
 
Hmm well they havent fixed it yet, and im just waiting till its more stable. Its alot diffrent from their other OS's so there still getting a hang of it, for example it uses a linux kernal. Also yes i knew it wasnt that bad, but the exploit is still there but yes fixable.

and ill add on my last post.

You sure thats a better CPU cooler the fan from the other one looks bad ass. Yea im going to be playing crysis i should get the better video card. Moniter will be like the most expensive part of the comp lol.

YUMM
 
Reread several of the "help me build" threads that were posted before yours. There is a reason why we keep recommending the Xigmatek HDT-S1283. The Zalman CNPS9700 is loud and ineffective compared to it. I'M ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, 100% SURE THAT IT'S BETTER.

Vista today is stable for everyday use. The 64-bit versions also have better hardware support than Windows XP Pro x64. In addition, an OEM copy of Vista Home Premium ($80-$110) is cheaper than an OEM copy of Windows XP Pro ($140-$160).

Now please, answer my question regarding the monitor, its size, and its resolution. What are you planning to buy/use?
 
Lol i want a 24 inch good enough that if im watching a DVD on it that it looks as good as my Imac now, plus when im playing crysis.

(CURENT COMPUTER BELOW)
Display Type: LCD
Resolution: 1440 x 900
Depth: 32-bit Color
Built-In: Yes
Core Image: Hardware Accelerated
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Quartz Extreme: Supported

Oh vista soupport of more hardware sounds promising, ill get the 64 BIt version.
But i WILL have a small hard drive with XP on it, just incase :p lol.

mmk ill trust you on the cooler thing but what about the grapics card i posted? im thinking i might want it. My friends comp broke so hes giving me his 17inch moniter and ill connect it to my mac so i can use both screens. But i want a 24 inch for this comp im going to build

Again THANKS FOR THE CRAZY AMOUNTS OF HELP i very much enjoy it.


EDIT: wow 2 inches and so much more ?

(22inch)http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254035
(24Inch HD)http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009125

i probaly dont need HD? or do i for crysis?
$359.99 damm thats so expensive.
 
For the 24 inch monitor, I recommend that you go to the Display forum. Many choices here get nitpicked ad nauseam because people get so picky about the "perfect" monitor. (Let me help you there: It doesn't exist.)

I take it the specs that you gave us is for the 17 inch montior, correct? For the 24 inch monitor, I'd recommend the HD4870X2. If you need a hold-me-over card for the 17 inch LCD, the PNY 9600GT is a good, cheap choice.

You know, you could make a partition on the larger hard drive and reserve it just for XP, right? You could also make it right when you install the OS, too. Again, Vista is good enough for everyday use. It's not perfect, but it's much farther along than XP ever was during the same time period.
 
oh yes partions, almost forgot. But its just eayser to set the BIOS to boot with diffrent hard drives, i dont know how to do that with partions.

I'd recommend the HD4870X2. If you need a hold-me-over card for the 17 inch LCD, the PNY 9600GT is a good, cheap choice.
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hold me over? its 100$ but looks like a good card, how can that be?
And i dont think you got what i ment by the 17inch, its my Imac so i cant really add a card to it cuz it most likely wont fit, and its not compatible with my mother board becauses apple is all exclusive like that.

The 17inch moniter is just going to be an add on for my mac, im hoping if i can find a cheep enough one that my computer im going to build will be like 22 or 24 inches.
 
clR3vv said:
hold me over? its 100$ but looks like a good card, how can that be?
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Simple: Competition. Trying to outsell or gain additional business over the other company has allowed such great cards like the 9600GT reach the $100 price point.
 
clR3vv said:
... My friends comp broke so hes giving me his 17inch moniter and ill connect it to my mac so i can use both screens. But i want a 24 inch for this comp im going to build. ...
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clR3vv said:
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The 17inch moniter is just going to be an add on for my mac, im hoping if i can find a cheep enough one that my computer im going to build will be like 22 or 24 inches.
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So I'm assuming tiraides thought you were going to use the 17" for your new build while you shop for a new monitor. In which case, the 9600GT would be a good hold-over card. If not, then don't bother getting a hold-over card. :p

tiraides said:
I feel this quote is more appropriate:
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lol, well, that came about cuz the OP of that thread said, "need more input stephanie!" :p
 
My understanding is that if im going to be getting a 22-24 inch moniter i should get a better card, and not a 100 hold me over card. like this?

and i keep hering diffrent things. what heat sync

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118019
http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2233
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233003

also i read that i might need a better power supply, you guys have another good PSU case combo?

this maybe? (550W power supply)
 
clR3vv said:
My understanding is that if im going to be getting a 22-24 inch moniter i should get a better card, and not a 100 hold me over card. like this?

and i keep hering diffrent things. what heat sync

also i read that i might need a better power supply, you guys have another good PSU case combo?

this maybe? (550W power supply)
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For a 22-24 inch card, without blowing your budget clear out of the water, get the HD4870. (Speaking of which, what is your budget? What's the most you could spend on this build?)

Heatsinks are simple: Get the HDT-S1283 with retention bracket. It's cheaper, easier to mount, and easier to "upgrade" (as you could change fans, if needed, and keep the heatsink as long as possible).

For around the same price as the RC-690/RPP 550W PSU combo, you could get:

Antec Three Hundred case - $60 with free shipping
Corsair VX550 550W PSU - $85 with free shipping & $15 mail-in rebate

Aside from a couple of case fans (like these) for the front, you'll get approximately the same cooling performance as the RC-690. Corsair is also one of the better power supply brands around, and generates as much power as some of the "generic" 600+ watt power supplies.
 
URgg, i typed a long post and then it says i wanst logged in, and i lost it.
il sum it up.

i should probaly get this baby


For cases i liked this one Antec 900 Then the power supply you posted, but i should get a cheaper case.
EDIT: actualy its only 80 with rebate.

Also on the Antec 300 it says

Antec Three Hundred Black ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
$50 combo discount w/ Antec 500W power supply, ends 8/17
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why not pick that power supply?
 
$80AR versus $60 now? If you're trying to keep this build (relatively) cheap, I'd stick with the immediate savings if I were you.

However, get the VisionTek HD4870. VisionTek is the only company that offers limited lifetime warranties for AMD/ATI video cards.

The Three Hundred/EA500 deal expires today; that's why I didn't include it. (Plus, the Corsair VX550 is the better PSU.) But if you're going to jump on that deal today, then get it.
 
clR3vv said:
Ahhh i dont know what one is best for me, because 280 Is alot for a card i dont mind like the 170 one i just dont know what one i need.
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Well, what did you want to do again?

clR3vv said:
Ill probaly only get COD4 and Crysis then the rest ill use for Video editing and what ever else i want to do with it, Im going to end up having 3 moniters on my desk lol.
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clR3vv said:
Yea im going to be playing crysis i should get the better video card. Moniter will be like the most expensive part of the comp lol.
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clR3vv said:
Lol i want a 24 inch good enough that if im watching a DVD on it that it looks as good as my Imac now, plus when im playing crysis.
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Based on what you've told us so far, I'm guessing that you want to play Crysis and other games on a 24 inch monitor. The HD4870 is a better choice than all of the other cards you're considering because it uses GDDR5 memory and it's clocked higher (at its stock speeds) than the rest. If you want the absolute best gameplay possible from a single card, the HD4870X2 or the GTX 280 is available for around $550-$700.
 
tiraides said:
Well, what did you want to do again?







Based on what you've told us so far, I'm guessing that you want to play Crysis and other games on a 24 inch monitor. The HD4870 is a better choice than all of the other cards you're considering because it uses GDDR5 memory and it's clocked higher (at its stock speeds) than the rest. If you want the absolute best gameplay possible from a single card, the HD4870X2 or the GTX 280 is available for around $550-$700.
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I would wait for the [H] review of the 4870x2.

But if you really want to a computer right now, get the Visiontek 4870. The ATI 4000 series has the best bang for buck performance right now. Also they fixed the Anti-Aliasing issues from the 3000 series so in some games you get some free AA performance.

Let us know if you have anymore questions.
 
so this card it is

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129113 (HD4870)

New Build, it comes to about 950
Moniter TIme :p ill go check out the display section of this site.



Case here 60$

Power Unit
http://www.buy.com/prod/corsair-vx-...-atx12v-eps12v-power/q/loc/101/205852646.html 70


Graphics Card= here 284$


motherboard= here 131$


Processer= here 189$

RAM= here 60 (rebate)

Hard drive(650G)= here 85$


Cd/Dvd Drive
here 31$

Third party Heat sync (cuz im going to clock it up to 3.6Ghz at times
here 37$ (27 after rebate)

Mounting Device.

here 7$
 
Tiraides has all the right suggestions. But did you decide on a monitor size yet? Because if you stick with a 22" or smaller, then I think the HD4850 should be good enough for you if you tone the settings down a bit, since you don't want to spend $270 on a card. If you get a P45 board, and the HD4850 turns out to be not good enough for you, you can pickup another one for some Crossfire action. :p

Instead of typing "here" and linking it, could you give the model number so we don't have to click on a dozen links? Thanks.
 
clR3vv said:
ok that sounds good cuz the board gives me alot of expanding room.

24Inch LCD moniter from ebay (250ish)

Or this 22Inch From Newegg (180)
Basicly if i can get a moniter for around 250 perfreply 24 inch but if its a good 22 inch that works to. Then my build is compleat :p
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Okay, what resolution do you want to run at?

1920x1200? 1600x1050?

Edit: You're not going to find many monitors at that price, if you want a good 22-24" then you need to up your budget by $100.
 
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