MSI RX480 Lightning leak

[CSI_PC]

The R9 390x can run it on Hyper settings with a broken driver at 55 fps. If this card is similar in performance I expect it to run it also. The purpose of AMD doing this is to move the old VR target to a lower price point because of advances in technology. Why would Nvidia release a card that is going to be gimped? Just doesn't make sense. I'm hoping that the Videocardz rumor is wrong because people buying gimped cards in this price range is going to make developers develop games for a lower VR spec in the long run. Just frustrating even though VR is currently a very small part of the gaming ecosystem.

The 1440p is Ultra rather than Hyper though.

At 1080p the 390x dropped from 79fps to 54fps when going from Hyper to Ultra, so at 1440p it is going to be unplayable for many IMO if Ultra is already only 53fps average.
Here is the 1440p showing it as Ultra and not Hyper.

Cheers

 

[lolfail9001]

The R9 390x can run it on Hyper settings with a broken driver at 55 fps. If this card is similar in performance I expect it to run it also. The purpose of AMD doing this is to move the old VR target to a lower price point because of advances in technology. Why would Nvidia release a card that is going to be gimped? Just doesn't make sense. I'm hoping that the Videocardz rumor is wrong because people buying gimped cards in this price range is going to make developers develop games for a lower VR spec in the long run. Just frustrating even though VR is currently a very small part of the gaming ecosystem.

Old VR target is 290/970, not 390x. And that's hardly gimping, if anything that's an improvement over 106/206 chips of old.

 

[variant]

So the same guy posted a video of him running Firestrike Ultra to show he didn't Photoshop the picture. This time it's supposedly with the 8GB version with the latest bios and drivers.

 

[TheLAWNoob]

The guy who claimed the dude photoshopped his result, actually lied and photoshopped the source picture himself to make it look fake, then pointed out the "evidence" that he added in.

LOL.

What a retard.

 

[variant]

The guy who claimed the dude photoshopped his result, actually lied and photoshopped the source picture himself to make it look fake, then pointed out the "evidence" that he added in.

LOL.

What a retard.

If you went directly to the Flickr, the square around the 3 is obvious, so I don't think the person attempting to debunk it was really pulling any shenanigans.

Here's a video of the actual 3,268 benchmark he posted to try to prove it was real.

There's also a new picture on ChipHell of a MSI Lightning cooler attached to a short card, it doesn't look like it would cool well at all how it's setup.

 

[lolfail9001]

The guy who claimed the dude photoshopped his result, actually lied and photoshopped the source picture himself to make it look fake, then pointed out the "evidence" that he added in.

LOL.

What a retard.

Overclock.net thread had a whole bunch of screenshots demonstrating the square around 3 was clearly present.

 

[TheLAWNoob]

From chiphell, nobody could replicate that result using screenshot from source. The guy who pointed that out is already backing down and called AMD on the source for breaking NDA.

Also, the lightning cooler is obviously not meant for the 480. Stated many times before.

 

[variant]

From chiphell, nobody could replicate that result using screenshot from source. The guy who pointed that out is already backing down and called AMD on the source for breaking NDA.

Also, the lightning cooler is obviously not meant for the 480. Stated many times before.

I am not saying it's all real or fake, just that the image posted was suspicious in it's own right. It could have been from some image defect or it could be Photoshopped, we just don't know. Though it's looking less like Photoshop considering the videos he's posted, but that still doesn't mean it's real.

 

[TheLAWNoob]

I'm not saying it's real.

Just saying he probably didn't photoshop, and the Lignting cooler doesn't prove this to be fake.

 

[cageymaru]

The 1440p is Ultra rather than Hyper though.

At 1080p the 390x dropped from 79fps to 54fps when going from Hyper to Ultra, so at 1440p it is going to be unplayable for many IMO if Ultra is already only 53fps average.
Here is the 1440p showing it as Ultra and not Hyper.


Cheers

I was thinking more along these lines. I think that this is quite playable would you say even with the broken driver?


Quote from the article.
Mirror's Edge Catalyst GPU Benchmark - 1080p, 1440p, 4K at Ultra & Hyper

1080p / Hyper seems to be nearly maxing-out the GTX 1080 (7455MB consumed).

So why launch a GTX 1060 with 6GB of VRAM when games @1080p resolution are already maxing out 8GB of VRAM is my question. Anyone buying a 4GB or 6GB video card in the $250 range needs a foot in their posterior.

 

[primetime]

Im thinking this is a legit leak....Also kinda backs up what AdoredTV thought a while back with amd having a card with 2 power leads instead of one that would be the 299 price as Lisa Su mentioned would be coming. I just dont fully understand how changing the cooler helps to keep from being caught leaking nda? Is there a serial number on the cooler that id's who had what card?

 

[cageymaru]

Im thinking this is a legit leak....Also kinda backs up what AdoredTV thought a while back with amd having a card with 2 power leads instead of one that would be the 299 price as Lisa Su mentioned would be coming. I just dont fully understand how changing the cooler helps to keep from being caught leaking nda? Is there a serial number on the cooler that id's who had what card?

Companies will intentionally cause cosmetic defects on a product under NDA that are exclusive to each device. That way when they see a picture of the cooler for example they can tell who is leaking information and blacklist them.

Hollywood movies that are sent out for review in advance of the movie typically have unique watermarks in each copy of the film that tell who leaked it.

 

[lolfail9001]

So why launch a GTX 1060 with 6GB of VRAM when games @1080p resolution are already maxing out 8GB of VRAM is my question. Anyone buying a 4GB or 6GB video card in the $250 range needs a foot in their posterior.

How many people buying $200 video cards care about maxing out games at settings game even won't let them to set without additional tweaking? Correct, none.

 

[cageymaru]

How many people buying $200 video cards care about maxing out games at settings game even won't let them to set without additional tweaking? Correct, none.

Well if one card can for $250 and the other can't which would you buy? I just think 6GB is a bad idea when the competition has 8GB.

 

[primetime]

How many people buying $200 video cards care about maxing out games at settings game even won't let them to set without additional tweaking? Correct, none.

I would have to agree...also they could easily tune this stuff in the driver if it was a remote issue. 6GB is plenty

 

[lolfail9001]

Well if one card can for $250 and the other can't which would you buy? I just think 6GB is a bad idea when the competition has 8GB.

Neither of us are your average $200-$250 card purchaser, i'll tell you that much. The average one checks benchmarks (in best case), sees how it performs in them and then makes his decision based on whatever bias or reasons he has (in every case).

And yes, i would go with GP106 every time, simply because i am using Linux, as long as they cost similarly enough to not care. Even though i know that in Windows rx480 will probably edge it out or outright beat it.

I would have to agree...also they could easily tune this stuff in the driver if it was a remote issue. 6GB is plenty

Considering you already have to enable separate option for ME:C and edit config in DOOM manually for it to use "the setting" at config below recommended, it will hardly become an issue outside of amd subreddit and the like.

 

[cageymaru]

Average gamer is always going to buy an Nvidia card regardless. They aren't even going to look at a single benchmark in the first place. I've sold plenty of them in my time.

 

[Araxie]

I was thinking more along these lines. I think that this is quite playable would you say even with the broken driver?


Quote from the article.
Mirror's Edge Catalyst GPU Benchmark - 1080p, 1440p, 4K at Ultra & Hyper

1080p / Hyper seems to be nearly maxing-out the GTX 1080 (7455MB consumed).


So why launch a GTX 1060 with 6GB of VRAM when games @1080p resolution are already maxing out 8GB of VRAM is my question. Anyone buying a 4GB or 6GB video card in the $250 range needs a foot in their posterior.

That's the thing, nobody buy mid-range cards thinking in future proofing, performance/price is never traduced directly into you are going to max out every game out there in the market, nobody buy mid-range cards and expect to max out every game out there and still have future proofing that's just absurd.. people seems to forget what the terms ultra (and with the mentioned game hyper) can mean, now everyone just want to use ultra settings with whatever GPU can buy in the market, ultra settings used to be an elitist term for those who had the money to buy the most powerful GPU and expensive configurations, ultra was a term for people with highest end card available or SLI/Xfire users, people used to buy with a thinking of high/very high game settings, now everyone think that a mid-range GPU should and have to have the power to move every game maxed out, what would be the point of high-end cards then?. that's what price/performance mean, you get certain amount of performance for the price you are paying, if you want to enjoy more features and need more performance to enjoy better settings, then you have to expend more, that's how the PC game market have always worked.

about that game, hyper settings at 1080P seems to be that even the game isn't running at 1080P but at 4K due to resolution scaling, that kinda explain those high amounts of vRAM used.. the GTX 980TI have 6GB and play the game fine, I don't see any issue with a GTX 1060 having 6GB if still will have lower processing power than the 980TI.. shadow of mordor recommended and required 6GB to enjoy texture maxed out but people with 4GB cards played it just fine.. again I don't see the issue... people used to defend the Fury X vRAM as a long term 4K card and the vRAM was overrated, now people are going to care about vRAM?. hilarious at best...

Also what broken drivers? both vendors have Game Ready Drivers for Mirror's Edge Catalyst. the game crash and refuse to run by excess of vRAM requirement is another theme, and doesn't mean driver are broken.

 

[lolfail9001]

Average gamer is always going to buy an Nvidia card regardless. They aren't even going to look at a single benchmark in the first place. I've sold plenty of them in my time.

That's what "best case" was edited in for

 

[CSI_PC]

I was thinking more along these lines. I think that this is quite playable would you say even with the broken driver?


Quote from the article.
Mirror's Edge Catalyst GPU Benchmark - 1080p, 1440p, 4K at Ultra & Hyper

1080p / Hyper seems to be nearly maxing-out the GTX 1080 (7455MB consumed).

So why launch a GTX 1060 with 6GB of VRAM when games @1080p resolution are already maxing out 8GB of VRAM is my question. Anyone buying a 4GB or 6GB video card in the $250 range needs a foot in their posterior.

Yes but again it works fine with a 980ti that only has 6GB
By that logic the 980ti should fail as well.
The game runs at pretty well with the 6GB 980ti, possibly not perfect but runs well.
I am interested to see how they do the 1060 VRAM, but if you are that concerned with 6GB, why are you not critical of the 480 with the performance of 390-390x having a 4GB version along with the 8GB?
You know many will not consider 4GB as having limitations and just look at it being cheaper at $200 - never thought I would see 4GB being a limit at such resolution but that is the gaming industry.
I am going to have a hard time convincing my friend not to buy the 4GB version as it seems so great from a cost perspective - in many ways it is great but the 4GB may just be under what is enough at the top settings that such a card can support.
Separate to this game, there will be those who may want to play at 1440p with either of these cards, and 4GB is definitely not enough while 6GB may be ok.
Cheers

 

[variant]

The issue I see with 6GB is that the standard has now become 8GB so more games developed will use it as the base line.

 

[lolfail9001]

The issue I see with 6GB is that the standard has now become 8GB so more games developed will use it as the base line.

Since when 8Gb is standard? Consoles still have to use way less than 8Gb (IIRC at least a gig or two are reserved for OS), so i doubt we will see any more than 6GB used anytime soon.

Plus, if that comes to fruition, the first owners to cry will be owners of Fury line, and those tears will be delicious.

 

[variant]

Since when 8Gb is standard? Consoles still have to use way less than 8Gb (IIRC at least a gig or two are reserved for OS), so i doubt we will see any more than 6GB used anytime soon.

Plus, if that comes to fruition, the first owners to cry will be owners of Fury line, and those tears will be delicious.

Since almost every card released will now have 8GB. The most popular card of last generation was the 970 with 3.5GB of RAM and the most popular enthusiast card only had 6GB so there wasn't a lot of motivation to really utilize RAM.

Console developers haven't been happy about how much RAM is reserved for the OS for awhile now and I think we will see that amount shrink, especially with the release of the revised consoles.

I am not saying games will be unplayable, but I think higher quality settings will really start becoming more memory intensive (ie Mirror's Edge Catalyst).

 

[CSI_PC]

The issue I see with 6GB is that the standard has now become 8GB so more games developed will use it as the base line.

So what is your thoughts about the 480 and the 4GB variant then?
Even while it is cheap at $200, this could come back and bite peoples expectations as this card has the performance of a 390/390x, putting pressure on that 4GB once options are enabled as they will be due to its performance.
While 6GB is not perfect (and we need to see if Nvidia fudge it somehow) it should be enough for any setting at 1080p, and lower ones at 1440p.
It is a tough call for AMD to make; to give 4GB on a 390-390x comparable card with the 480 that makes it a really nice price, or ensure expectations are not broken and limit it to 8GB.
TBH I still think the 8GB model will perform and price very competitively to the 1060.
Cheers

 

[variant]

So what is your thoughts about the 480 and the 4GB variant then?
Even while it is cheap at $200, this could come back and bite peoples expectations as this card has the performance of a 390/390x, putting pressure on that 4GB once options are enabled.
While 6GB is not perfect (and we need to see if Nvidia fudge it somehow) it should be enough for any setting at 1080p, and lower ones at 1440p.
Cheers

My opinion is to avoid it. It reminds me of when people were buying 2GB cards when 4GB was becoming the standard. It's worth the extra money for the 8GB version.

However, yes, it should be fine for 1080p. Plus I don't expect people who buy either to expect to run their games on Ultra necessarily.

The general upside for the 1060 and 480 4GB is that many people who buy them often upgrade a lot more often. So by the time games really start becoming RAM intensive, they may end up upgrading again.

 

[ColdRush]

My opinion is to avoid it. It reminds me of when people were buying 2GB cards when 4GB was becoming the standard. It's worth the extra money for the 8GB version.

However, yes, it should be fine for 1080p.

The general upside for the 1060 and 480 4GB is that many people who buy them often upgrade a lot more often, so by the time games really start becoming RAM intensive, they may end up upgrading again.

If that 4K Mirrors Edge benchmark above is any indication, 8GB is a must if you want to have a high end 4K experience in the future. I'm sure the resale value will be a lot higher coming into the next cycle as well.

 

[lolfail9001]

Since almost every card released will now have 8GB. The most popular card of last generation was the 970 with 3.5GB of RAM and the most popular enthusiast card only had 6GB so there wasn't a lot of motivation to really utilize RAM.

Console developers haven't been happy about how much RAM is reserved for the OS for awhile now and I think we will see that amount shrink, especially with the release of the revised consoles.

The deal is about how much VRAM will be used by most popular cards. Since i very much doubt 1080/1070 will be sale leaders, and 8gb version really offers nothing over 4gb version other than VRAM and price increase... i can actually see most popular cards have 4GB of VRAM not more. Maybe 6GB if GP106 will be popular (it will tho, lol).

If that 4K Mirrors Edge benchmark above is any indication, 8GB is a must if you want to have a high end 4K experience in the future. I'm sure the resale value will be a lot higher coming into the next cycle as well.

How many people that buy $200 cards game in 4k tho.

Matter of fact, some may argue in game like ME:C even 50 fps 390 gives is not good experience, and that's 1080p Hyper, let alone 1440p or 4k. And ofc, people buying $200 cards really don't care about resale value much.

 

[variant]

I think you can actually enable the higher resolution textures on lower settings in Mirror's Edge as well if you have the RAM available.

 

[lolfail9001]

I think you can actually enable the higher resolution textures on lower settings in Mirror's Edge as well if you have the RAM available.

You should be. Will it affect gameplay experience much? That's the question. Because on DF's video i could not tell a difference. Neither could they, if not for fps difference.

 

[SamiiRoss]

i think is fake, just look a the ram HBM?

 

[cageymaru]

Maybe he was trying to say that he was getting someone to edit the bios so AMD won't track him down? More than likely fake though.

 

[primetime]

i think is fake, just look a the ram HBM?

unless he really is using a vega card...in which case nvidia really has the entire high end this go round. I could understand amd not wanting this to get around lol...the fact its goofy teenybopper kids is the real smoking gun

 

[variant]

That's 67C8, which would indicate a full Polaris 10 if real.

unless he really is using a vega card...in which case nvidia really has the entire high end this go round. I could understand amd not wanting this to get around lol...the fact its goofy teenybopper kids is the real smoking gun

That has nothing to do with the Polaris 10 leaked benchmarks.

 

[NKD]

That's 67C8, which would indicate a full Polaris 10 if real.



That has nothing to do with the Polaris 10 leaked benchmarks.

LOL does the guy even know what he has. HAHAHA. I am not sure whats going on here anymore. LOL, exciting stuff.

 

[lolfail9001]

That's 67C8, which would indicate a full Polaris 10 if real.



That has nothing to do with the Polaris 10 leaked benchmarks.

Can confirm, 67C8 is PCI-E id of supposed to be that of a polaris 10 card. Not really full Polaris 10, but Polaris 10 for sure.

Now comes the interesting part:someone at Chiphell did mention existence of Ellesmere XT with HBM once, projecting it to be about 10% above 390x.

Could we see this come to fruition? Don't know, really, i have to get my graduation done first.

 

[variant]

Can confirm, 67C8 is PCI-E id of supposed to be that of a polaris 10 card. Not really full Polaris 10, but Polaris 10 for sure.

Now comes the interesting part:someone at Chiphell did mention existence of Ellesmere XT with HBM once, projecting it to be about 10% above 390x.

Could we see this come to fruition? Don't know, really, i have to get my graduation done first.

67C* indicates it came before 67D*, and there's only two known Polaris 10. The 67D* would to be a cutdown version of it's predecessor.

 

[lolfail9001]

67C* indicates it came before 67D*, and there's only two known Polaris 10 with 67D having to be a cutdown version of it's predecessor.

67DF is engineering sample ID.

67C4 and 67C7 are likely to be the released cards (4/8gb rx480).

 

[variant]

67DF is engineering sample ID.

67C4 and 67C7 are likely to be the released cards (4/8gb rx480).

No. 67C and 67D are separate GPUs, the higher hexadecimal value 67D indicates it came after 67C and likely a cutdown version. Polaris 11 is 67E and 67F since Polaris 11 came after Polaris 10. The two very first Polaris 10s we knew about were 67C0 and 67DF.

 

[lolfail9001]

No. 67C and 67D are separate GPUs, the higher hexadecimal value 67D indicates it came after 67C and likely a cutdown version. Polaris 11 is 67E and 67F since Polaris 11 came after Polaris 10. The two very first Polaris 10s we knew about were 67C0 and 67DF.

PCI-E IDs are arbitrary, and you know that. In fact, 67DF and 67C0 appeared in drivers in the same time and you have already marked and made an argument for 67C0 being an uncut die. If anything, the fact that last update added 67CF PCI-E, suggests that 67DF is the full die.

 

[variant]

PCI-E IDs are arbitrary, and you know that. In fact, 67DF and 67C0 appeared in drivers in the same time and you have already marked and made an argument for 67C0 being an uncut die.

AMD's use of them isn't arbitrary at all.