Or he was trying to be ....LOL, I seriously doubt that happened...but then again...who knows?ashmedai said:Or, he sounded noticibly sarcastic...
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Or he was trying to be ....LOL, I seriously doubt that happened...but then again...who knows?ashmedai said:Or, he sounded noticibly sarcastic...
Have had tons of beta software, test software, installs, uninstalls, errors, parrallel installs, fixes rollbacks and have not formatted my machine in over 5 years. Same XP Pro installation since Feb 2001. And, yes it still works perfectly. FUDMalfurionStormrage said:Beta testing, configuration changes, Operating System changes, etc.
Why you would want to do that is beyond me, but yes. The CD Key is not the legal part, the paper license is. The illegal key could cause other issues, technically including an audit, but more likely the inability to run patches.USMC2Hard4U said:I have a general question?
Is it ok to use and install an "illegal" version of XP if you wanted to on your machine if you Own a full copy of XP pro? just dont use it?
Just a general - hypothetical "what if" question
Well, like I said it's the paper license, but that still has to match the install type (OEM/Retail/VLK). IE if you own OEM, and install retail, you're illegal. If you own Retail and intstall Retail (illegal key) you're OK.USMC2Hard4U said:I was just curious.
I use my OEM copy I got thru Newegg w/ purchase of hardware. It was just a general question. I know too many people who use Unattended installs and what not from various sources that includes updates and drives and programs etc... but its not their version. They just own one of the first copies that came out.
MNM said:why dont you guys pick up a copy of Acronis True Image and you won't have to do this all the time.
Just a word of advice.
Nate
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USMC2Hard4U said:I have a general question?
Is it ok to use and install an "illegal" version of XP if you wanted to on your machine if you Own a full copy of XP pro? just dont use it?
Just a general - hypothetical "what if" question
TheCreator said:<3 corporate edition from work.
TrechMaggotface said:Have had tons of beta software, test software, installs, uninstalls, errors, parrallel installs, fixes rollbacks and have not formatted my machine in over 5 years. Same XP Pro installation since Feb 2001. And, yes it still works perfectly. FUD
MalfurionStormrage said:Yes, it works. But that's not why you reformat your drive.
When you are creating gold masters for thousands of replicated discs, you need to ensure that everything the person is going to need is on that disc. The ONLY SURE WAY OF DOING THAT IS INSTALLING ON A PRISTINE OS.
It's not FUD. It's called doing your fucking job.
Yeah, I know all that, but WTF does it have to do with reformatting a *single* PC.MalfurionStormrage said:Replicated discs = discs stamped at a replicating facility
Gold Master = Slightly incorrect term, but it generally refers to CD-ROM master discs that are sent to a replicating facility. Have you ever heard the expression 'software going gold'?
The real term comes from the fact that the actual master that creates the glass impressions that then stamp CD-ROMs is made out of gold. Each glass impression is good for about 5000 stamps.
Confused yet?
Phoenix86 said:Yeah, I know all that, but WTF does it have to do with reformatting a *single* PC.
MalfurionStormrage said:Re-install the OS (reformat the drive) to test your software on it, you know, dependency checking? It's SOP in a software shop...
It's still good to reformat though. The registry can get filled up with a bunch of left over garbage and could cause conflicts...even simple ones that you don't even really know are there. I can understand that if you know how to clean out your registry, and basically know how to keep top-tier maintenence going on with your OS, then you don't reformat-but otherwise-it's real safe to reformat. You may not notice the gradual slowdown in your OS...little things like the right click menu on the desktop, or the more probgrams list, or other things. But the time it takes to open windows, menus, etc WILL gradually increase with time. I just recently reformatted (I wanted a clean slate) everything was fine with the comp, just wanted it to be like new. After I did....I actually noticed a few little differences. It's not the biggest difference in the world, but it's just nice to know that the OS is clean and fresh.TrechMaggotface said:Have had tons of beta software, test software, installs, uninstalls, errors, parrallel installs, fixes rollbacks and have not formatted my machine in over 5 years. Same XP Pro installation since Feb 2001. And, yes it still works perfectly. FUD
Phoenix86 said:
lesman said:It's still good to reformat though. The registry can get filled up with a bunch of left over garbage and could cause conflicts...even simple ones that you don't even really know are there. I can understand that if you know how to clean out your registry, and basically know how to keep top-tier maintenence going on with your OS, then you don't reformat-but otherwise-it's real safe to reformat. You may not notice the gradual slowdown in your OS...little things like the right click menu on the desktop, or the more probgrams list, or other things. But the time it takes to open windows, menus, etc WILL gradually increase with time. I just recently reformatted (I wanted a clean slate) everything was fine with the comp, just wanted it to be like new. After I did....I actually noticed a few little differences. It's not the biggest difference in the world, but it's just nice to know that the OS is clean and fresh.
First time - Bittorrent problemPhoenix86 said:
Oh yeah, a few months, sure, no problem. I'm talking at least once a year, though. Things you install/uninstall will eat up our registries wether we like it or not and cause various conficts-affecting you directly or not. If all you do is buy the comp, and use MS word on it every once in a while, then sure, nothing will happen to it.feigned said:Ah, the seat of the pants argument. I like using that one for some things.
But honestly...if you install XP on a machine and use it normally for a few months without changing any hardware or the like, keeping tabs on extraneous files, virus scanning...more or less keeping the system as optimal as the day it was installed, why is there a difference? I highly doubt it's quantifiable. It's all placebo, like it or not.
Nope. 2.5 years, regular A/V updates, and periodic registry checks for unnecessary entries keeps things squeaky clean. Just takes a little care and work, just like with any operating system.lesman said:Oh yeah, a few months, sure, no problem. I'm talking at least once a year, though. Things you install/uninstall will eat up our registries wether we like it or not and cause various conficts-affecting you directly or not. If all you do is buy the comp, and use MS word on it every once in a while, then sure, nothing will happen to it.
Hence the abundance of registry "doctors," antivirus programs, antispyware programs, temp file removers, and so on. Welcome to the world of capitalistic choice.lesman said:Well, yeah, but I'd say that overall most computer users don't do that or don't know how to do that.
GreNME said:Hence the abundance of registry "doctors," antivirus programs, antispyware programs, temp file removers, and so on. Welcome to the world of capitalistic choice.
HTPC Rookie said:I've been trying to follow what you're saying too...but now I gotta say I'm confused also.
Synopsis?
Then cope. Really, it's not that complicated, and even with drivers and registry build-up and spyware and temp files, a few months is still unrealistic for reinstalls, even when normal hardware updating takes place.MalfurionStormrage said:And hence the prevalence of reformatting the drive.
stevewm said:Another thing is fragmentation. Most, if not all fragmentation comes from temporary files. This includes you temp directory and any browser caches. Clear these out and usually all of your fragmentation will disappear! People defrag too much. I've only had to do it 2 in 2 years. After 8 months my C: drive "Analysis Report
63.81 GB Total, 32.65 GB (51%) Free, 3% Fragmented (7% file fragmentation)"
After deleting temp files: "Analysis Report
63.81 GB Total, 32.86 GB (51%) Free, 1% Fragmented (3% file fragmentation)"
ashmedai said:And the wide support base and software compatibility is what made me stick with Windows...
Linux is cool and all, I just don't have any use for it.
GreNME said:Then cope. Really, it's not that complicated, and even with drivers and registry build-up and spyware and temp files, a few months is still unrealistic for reinstalls, even when normal hardware updating takes place.
GreNME said:Do what you want with the OS, since you paid for the license. However, complaining about the simple and quick activation in Windows is simply unrealistic and reminiscent of the more incorrect and paranoid speculation back in 2000/early 2001 (I remember wondering if it was gonna be worth it, too). I'd be more annoyed in the less-practical activation schemes of other software, were I one to gripe about it (which I am when it becomes necessary).
ccotenj said:uhh... malfurion?
testing your software on a "pristine os" does zippo in terms of q/a in the real world... since darn few users are running "pristine os's"....
ccotenj said:but hey, i've only been a software developer for 22 years...
ccotenj said:assuming that because it runs on a perfect copy of an os that it's good for user comsumption is why we've got so much buggy software out there...
ccotenj said:the "regular users" out there that some like to denigrate so much run their os's for YEARS without reformatting... testing on a pristine os does ZERO for them...
Why?lesman said:It's still good to reformat though.
Phoenix86 said: