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Mass Effect: Andromeda

Q-BZ said:
Long/short: Iconsistent/Bad animations and character movements but overall good-very good-possibly awesome game.

^^ That's my total takeaway from everything here and all over the Internet.
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Not just movement, but actual design and visual appearance of humanoids. And this is overshadowing everything else in a way that I haven't even heard anything substantial on gameplay yet. So I reserve judgement about the rest of the game. But i just can't get past this. No way.
 
M76 said:
Not just movement, but actual design and visual appearance of humanoids. And this is overshadowing everything else in a way that I haven't even heard anything substantial on gameplay yet. So I reserve judgement about the rest of the game. But i just can't get past this. No way.
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They have been working on this game for what? 4 years thereabouts?

I agree, I'm not trying to whitewash or dismiss what's going on here.

I just feel some of what I'm seeing in this regard has gotten awfully shrill and kneejerkish.

I did see some attempts to try and suggest a "Frostbite" issue and maybe I'm being unfair here but BF1 uses the Frostbite engine and those cutscenes looked pretty damned good in the SP campaign. Certianly better than this.

The argument was then made that this ME game has big time number of NPCs that speak and all this other stuff that suggested a complication... that's ok, I'm not a game developer and I understand a TON of hard work goes into anything like this... but yes, it is difficult to excuse overall what we're seeing here in big AAA game like this from a solid outfit that has the backing of arguably the largest game publisher with a deep on the wallet on the planet today.

So we'll see. We're technically "pre day 1" on this. I realize patches could only do so much realistically but we are very early in this process.
 
Q-BZ said:
They have been working on this game for what? 4 years thereabouts?

I agree, I'm not trying to whitewash or dismiss what's going on here.

I just feel some of what I'm seeing in this regard has gotten awfully shrill and kneejerkish.

I did see some attempts to try and suggest a "Frostbite" issue and maybe I'm being unfair here but BF1 uses the Frostbite engine and those cutscenes looked pretty damned good in the SP campaign. Certianly better than this.

The argument was then made that this ME game has big time number of NPCs that speak and all this other stuff that suggested a complication... that's ok, I'm not a game developer and I understand a TON of hard work goes into anything like this... but yes, it is difficult to excuse overall what we're seeing here in big AAA game like this from a solid outfit that has the backing of arguably the largest game publisher with a deep on the wallet on the planet today.

So we'll see. We're technically "pre day 1" on this. I realize patches could only do so much realistically but we are very early in this process.
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We're really not pre-Day 1. The Day 1 patch was live when the game was added to Access. All videos from the gaming press and Youtubers given access by EA have been with the Day 1 patch live. Barring them making any last minute changes, which would likely only be minor bug fixes due to the time it takes to get patches through console cert, what you can play now is what you'll see Tuesday.
 
So performance hit the crapper on the desert planet for me too. Not just lower framerates, but jerky gameplay.

Also had both teamates die and not revive while I finished the pre-release content. Thankfully I don't suck in combat, but I had to activate the second two monoliths by myself, and that last one had a few confrontations.
 
Vegas P11 said:
Dan_D I have a similar setup to your girlfriend, but I have a 4790k and a 780. Did she have to turn settings down or does it play OK on her setup?
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She's now rocking one of my old Maxwell Titan X's. Before that I didn't do any real checking but looking over her shoulder here and there it looked fine and ran fine. I asked her how it ran and she thought it ran pretty well. She could play the game very well on high settings at 2560x1600. That I know for sure. I think you will be fine.
 
Sniper|3d-R| said:
To people that are currently playing, Dan_D and others. Are you being completionist like? I.E Doing everything you can, collect, talk etc

I've watched the first 3 hours of the game and from what I have observed these people are flying through the story and really only focusing on the main story line. For example, they are missing sub quests, or crates and other things they should be scanning, looting but run past them. This drives me crazy! Since we have the jet pack, there is more places to hide things and for us to discover.

I'm planning on being a completionist for this first 10 hour period. I get to download and install today when I get home (6 hours to go...) Not sure how far I will get, but want to make sure I sure I scan everything, loot everything and accomplish all the sub quests and plots that I can. I did it in ME3, I know I will want to do it in ME:A.

Thanks to everyone that has shared their experience thus far.
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I like to think I'm a completionist. Then after a few hours in, I get bored and try to zip through the main story before I get too bored and stop playing.

Sprayingmango said:
Oh and how did we go from this to the awful shit we have now??? I want to punch everyone at Bioware in the throat.

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Would bone.
 
Viper87227 said:
Figured out today why my performance is so bad... SLI apparently isn't working yet. On my ship I get about 50fps, outdoors more like mid 20's. GPU1 staying above 90% usage, GPU2 hovers around 5%.

Hopefully Nvidia will have a driver out in the next couple of days. I'm surprised they didn't have it in time for the early access period.
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I already covered this topic. The performance is questionable in the game, not just because SLI isn't working but because the drivers we have right now just aren't very good for it. The performance went from mediocre (pre-desert planet) to shit (desert planet) to amazing on the desert planet by using Battlefield 1's SLI profile with the game.
 
Dan_D said:
She's now rocking one of my old Maxwell Titan X's. Before that I didn't do any real checking but looking over her shoulder here and there it looked fine and ran fine. I asked her how it ran and she thought it ran pretty well. She could play the game very well on high settings at 2560x1600. That I know for sure. I think you will be fine.
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Thanks Dan_D . The wife is dragging me to Kansas City tomorrow to go to Ikea, so I may stop in MicroCenter and look at a 1070. Unless you want to send me one of your Titan X's.
 
This game runs HORRIBLY. I'm in the beginning area on the ship and im at around 30fps @1440p with an R9 Fury. Everything turned to max.

I see NOTHING in this beginning area that should be keeping me down at 30fps.

But in my "opinion" ALL Bioware games have been horrible since they ceased to be Black Isle. The exception being the first KOTOR, but even then that was a disappointing departure from their roots.

Horrible fan-fiction writing with social agenda. Awkward role-playing romance. Terrible performance etc etc.

Seeing this sort of performance has me wanting to go back to 1080p.
 
Did you cap your tessellation to something like 4X in the AMD Drivers? Also Fury is not a great 1440p card anymore.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
Did you cap your tessellation to something like 4X in the AMD Drivers? Also Fury is not a great 1440p card anymore.
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Get great framerate in Battlefield 1 and Titanfall 2 at max settings.

On a positive note freesync works perfectly so it looks good for 30fps.
 
Vegas P11 said:
Thanks Dan_D . The wife is dragging me to Kansas City tomorrow to go to Ikea, so I may stop in MicroCenter and look at a 1070. Unless you want to send me one of your Titan X's.
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They are all used. One is in my spare rig (3930K@4.5GHz) and the other is in my girlfriend's machine.
 
Vegas P11 said:
Thanks Dan_D . The wife is dragging me to Kansas City tomorrow to go to Ikea, so I may stop in MicroCenter and look at a 1070. Unless you want to send me one of your Titan X's.
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I am running a 1070 (@ 1080p - I know.... ) and it is running pretty smooth. The worse I have seen is cut scenes stutter for the first few seconds, but seem to smooth out. I'll have to go back and check my settings though.

I have not however, hit the desert planet.
 
Einzige said:
This game runs HORRIBLY. I'm in the beginning area on the ship and im at around 30fps @1440p with an R9 Fury. Everything turned to max.

I see NOTHING in this beginning area that should be keeping me down at 30fps.

But in my "opinion" ALL Bioware games have been horrible since they ceased to be Black Isle. The exception being the first KOTOR, but even then that was a disappointing departure from their roots.

Horrible fan-fiction writing with social agenda. Awkward role-playing romance. Terrible performance etc etc.

Seeing this sort of performance has me wanting to go back to 1080p.
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Runs flawlessly on my mine.
 
Einzige said:
This game runs HORRIBLY. I'm in the beginning area on the ship and im at around 30fps @1440p with an R9 Fury. Everything turned to max.

I see NOTHING in this beginning area that should be keeping me down at 30fps.

But in my "opinion" ALL Bioware games have been horrible since they ceased to be Black Isle. The exception being the first KOTOR, but even then that was a disappointing departure from their roots.

Horrible fan-fiction writing with social agenda. Awkward role-playing romance. Terrible performance etc etc.

Seeing this sort of performance has me wanting to go back to 1080p.
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The game runs good on a variety of machines. If it's not running good for you, its probably a video card driver issue. We are running this without the usual Game Ready drivers NVIDIA puts out on release day. Again, I've confirmed that the SLI profile fix works to bring performance up by an incredible amount.
 
M76 said:
Not just movement, but actual design and visual appearance of humanoids. And this is overshadowing everything else in a way that I haven't even heard anything substantial on gameplay yet. So I reserve judgement about the rest of the game. But i just can't get past this. No way.
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how do you get past it in other games then?...most games don't have photorealistic character models or lip synching...seems like this issue is being overblown by the interweb as usual and people are using it as an excuse to justify not purchasing the game when they were most likely not going to buy it in the first place
 
Einzige said:
This game runs HORRIBLY. I'm in the beginning area on the ship and im at around 30fps @1440p with an R9 Fury. Everything turned to max.

I see NOTHING in this beginning area that should be keeping me down at 30fps.

But in my "opinion" ALL Bioware games have been horrible since they ceased to be Black Isle. The exception being the first KOTOR, but even then that was a disappointing departure from their roots.

Horrible fan-fiction writing with social agenda. Awkward role-playing romance. Terrible performance etc etc.

Seeing this sort of performance has me wanting to go back to 1080p.
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Bioware and Black Isle were never the same company. Black Isle licensed Bioware's Infinity Engine for their games and published a couple games for Bioware but the two were never the same company.
 
polonyc2 said:
how do you get past it in other games then?...most games don't have photorealistic character models or lip synching...seems like this issue is being overblown by the interweb as usual and people are using it as an excuse to justify not purchasing the game when they were most likely not going to buy it in the first place
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Personally I think the issue is that this is a huge step backwards in facial and character animation. DA:I with all of its (day one) issues, had better facial and character animations using the same engine three years ago.

I do not think the issues are as bad as a lot of the memes/youtube personalities are making it out to be, at least in my experience, but Bioware should have been able to at least have the same level animation they have had in recent games.

The game play so far is fantastic.
 
Dan_D said:
The game runs good on a variety of machines. If it's not running good for you, its probably a video card driver issue. We are running this without the usual Game Ready drivers NVIDIA puts out on release day. Again, I've confirmed that the SLI profile fix works to bring performance up by an incredible amount.
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Yeah well looking at your specs in your signature I can't really take your judgment on this matter with anything but a grain of salt.

Admittedly the graphical fidelity of this game exceeds titles like BF1, but I remember how poorly DA:I ran whilst looking entirely terrible. I expect solid framerate at 1440p with compromised settings on any title.
 
Einzige said:
This game runs HORRIBLY.
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Are you using the new AMD driver?

Even without specific optimizations from Nvidia, the game runs okay enough. Not great in some areas, but I've been able to finish the preview content sans the multiplayer mess with a single 970, which your Fury should arguably keep up with.
 
Q-BZ said:
They have been working on this game for what? 4 years thereabouts?

I agree, I'm not trying to whitewash or dismiss what's going on here.

I just feel some of what I'm seeing in this regard has gotten awfully shrill and kneejerkish.

I did see some attempts to try and suggest a "Frostbite" issue and maybe I'm being unfair here but BF1 uses the Frostbite engine and those cutscenes looked pretty damned good in the SP campaign. Certianly better than this.

The argument was then made that this ME game has big time number of NPCs that speak and all this other stuff that suggested a complication... that's ok, I'm not a game developer and I understand a TON of hard work goes into anything like this... but yes, it is difficult to excuse overall what we're seeing here in big AAA game like this from a solid outfit that has the backing of arguably the largest game publisher with a deep on the wallet on the planet today.

So we'll see. We're technically "pre day 1" on this. I realize patches could only do so much realistically but we are very early in this process.
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The kneejerk reactions are coming from avid EA haters who weren't even interested in the game to begin with, they only revel in pissing on EA.

Unfortunately this is not something they can patch in a quick fix. Maybe the glitches, but not the overall poor quality of faces and animations. Even with all hands on deck it could take a month. I doubt they'll put that kind of effort into it. I can hope but I'm not optimistic. Unless they were just sloppy and the most glaring facial animation problems can be fixed by tweaking general settings in the engine without having to pamper every conversation individually.
 
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IdiotInCharge said:
Are you using the new AMD driver?

Even without specific optimizations from Nvidia, the game runs okay enough. Not great in some areas, but I've been able to finish the preview content sans the multiplayer mess with a single 970, which your Fury should arguably keep up with.
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No not yet but the release notes don't mention anything about Andromeda.

I have a second R9 Fury coming in the mail since they're going for approx. $240 right now. Even then freesync is flawless with this game as it is with all frostbite games. Best looking 30-40 fps I've seen in a while especially considering it's not very fast paced.

And don't worry the second Fury is just a temporary solution until Vega comes out. I'm going to take those cards to build an extra rig and one for my cousin when it does.
 
polonyc2 said:
how do you get past it in other games then?...most games don't have photorealistic character models or lip synching...seems like this issue is being overblown by the interweb as usual and people are using it as an excuse to justify not purchasing the game when they were most likely not going to buy it in the first place
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You can't be that biased.
This is right in the uncanny valley and it makes me cringe. I've never seen anything like this in any other game. We're not talking bad lip sync here, we're talking characters that barely look human. And when they start to move: weird rubber faces of death. Their expressions are not human, completely off, lifeless, or extremely exaggerated.

Yes I've seen uncanny glitches in other games, but those are glitches that last a few seconds, this here is the finished product, which went trough their QA department. I have to look at this not for seconds but possibly 100+ hours.
 
M76 said:
You can't be that biased.
This is right in the uncanny valley and it makes me cringe. I've never seen anything like this in any other game. We're not talking bad lip sync here, we're talking characters that barely look human. And when they start to move: weird rubber faces of death. Their expressions are not human, completely off, lifeless, or extremely exaggerated.

Yes I've seen uncanny glitches in other games, but those are glitches, this here is the finished product, which went trough their QA department.
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Cringe is a good word for bioware titles.
 
Gambrinus said:
Enjoy your game. Personally, I say fuck this guy.
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I'm goddamn sick and tired of this ass being plastered over every topic about the game. At this point the guys hating the guy are far more annoying than this fucker ever was to me. He can rail, he can cry, he can be a racist all he wants it would've never affected me, if not for you people spreading his shit all over the net. So cut it out please.
 
"Misidentified" by no other than her own self.
I don't give a shit who is responsible, just fix it bioware and stop avoiding the issue.
 
polonyc2 said:
flashback: Mass Effect's best mission- Curing the genophage

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-03-15-mass-effects-best-mission
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Definitely a highlight of the entire trilogy!

Damar said:
I was a wreck after that mission. Mordin was probably my favorite overall character. Brutal, cold, calculating, but also funny, wry, and sarcastic.....

Now I want to replay 1-3 again..... or at least 1 and 2..... ;)
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The death that hit me hardest was Thane. I felt a real bond with him. That final prayer scene brought a few tears.

I'm about halfway through ME2. I've replayed the trilogy dozens of times and wanted to do it once more before playing MEA.
 
M76 said:
I'm goddamn sick and tired of this ass being plastered over every topic about the game. At this point the guys hating the guy are far more annoying than this fucker ever was to me. He can rail, he can cry, he can be a racist all he wants it would've never affected me, if not for you people spreading his shit all over the net. So cut it out please.
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Super. Send him money. Whatever you do, don't give up your games, man!
 
Maybe it's because I'm more concerned about the writting and story, but I find it easier to maintain a level head regarding the models and animations. I'm not excusing them, they're not up to AAA standards, but I can be more understanding towards them than I will be towards writting and story. It sounds like the gameplay itself is solid, if that is the case and the writting pans out, I can wait out the fixes to the rest.

Perspective
 
Einzige said:
Yeah well looking at your specs in your signature I can't really take your judgment on this matter with anything but a grain of salt.

Admittedly the graphical fidelity of this game exceeds titles like BF1, but I remember how poorly DA:I ran whilst looking entirely terrible. I expect solid framerate at 1440p with compromised settings on any title.
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The key word you missed was "variety". I wasn't talking about mine. At 4K Ultra presets it didn't run good on my machine. It was playable until I hit the desert planet. I used Battlefield 1's SLI profile with it and it ran great after that. My girlfriend's machine ran it fine. I know plenty of people who are running it with machines that aren't as high end as mine and again it works fine.
 
Dan_D said:
The key word you missed was "variety". I wasn't talking about mine. At 4K Ultra presets it didn't run good on my machine. It was playable until I hit the desert planet. I used Battlefield 1's SLI profile with it and it ran great after that. My girlfriend's machine ran it fine. I know plenty of people who are running it with machines that aren't as high end as mine and again it works fine.
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My framerate seems to be in line with the benchmarks. I was running higher than ultra.

I'll have crossfire soon hopefully I can get that working. I should average over 60fps then on freesync so it'll be smooth.
 
Just curious to the people who will be buying the game. What specs did you try out and did you plan to keep going the route when we can play again? I know you can reset your stats on the ship, but I was curious if anyone found a decent combo in the 10 hours of game play.

I tried Tech/Combat going mostly Tactical cloak/Sniper with a little bit of Assault Rifle laugh. I am curious if anyone tried out Biotec?
 
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