Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy Rumored to Step Down This Fall

[Tsumi]

It is good she is stepping down, but under Disney's control, I am not convinced her replacement will be any better.

For those going on and on about the physics in Star Wars, you will forever be upset. SW is Space Opera Fantasy not hardcore SciFi, it never has, and may never care about actual physics.

The Star Wars universe has been around long enough to have certain physics guidelines. JJ Abrams has a history of ignoring physics (and really the canonicity of anything) in his desire for explosions substituting plot, much like another producer. I mean, how the hell does Enterprise go from the moon to Earth reentry in 5 minutes… especially after being dead in space after losing all propulsion.

 

[motomonkey]

Finally, a high level executive at Disney took enough time from their vacation and watched the movies.

Probably ran out of coke while on his yacht while anchored off Aruba and decided, "wtf, might as well watch the damn thing, all the hookers are passed out".

 

[Zumino Zufeilon]

Except, this wasn't true. The ship was taking fire the entire time as I recall. They just couldn't bring enough firepower on them to overcome the shields. Again, shields would have a finite power supply and would fail eventually. At least, that would make sense to me and be the real danger. Not, running out of fuel and slowing down. Also, they were able to do significant damage with fighters and I'd think that big ass Star Destroyer could have launched enough fighters to take the ship down. Again, the scene makes no sense in any way that mirrors reality, even in the framework of a Star Wars film.

Ummmm, it's Star Wars and Physics, so, you know, Magic Space Wizards and all that.

But

Rebel Ships are Accelerating
First Order Ships are Accelerating

Rebel Ships run out of fuel, and thus stop accelerating and are coasting.
First Order Ships don't.

So, it "Looks" like the Rebel Ships are slowing down, but instead, they are just not accelerating anymore. Basic physics.

 

[Jagger100]

Ummmm, it's Star Wars and Physics, so, you know, Magic Space Wizards and all that.

But

Rebel Ships are Accelerating
First Order Ships are Accelerating

Rebel Ships run out of fuel, and thus stop accelerating and are coasting.
First Order Ships don't.

So, it "Looks" like the Rebel Ships are slowing down, but instead, they are just not accelerating anymore. Basic physics.

If the Rebel ships ran out of fuel and coasting the, why not take half the imperial fleet and mini-jump ahead on their path and wait for them and pincer them.

Since the small frigets were being abandoned why not hyper-space jump them into the enemy fleet especially the tracking capable ships?
Why wait until well over half the fleeing shuttles have been picked off to hyper-space ram the imperial fleet.
In the thousands of years of hyperspace travel, why has no one thought of using hyper-space ramming as a weapon since it's so OP making every battleship up to and likely including the deathstar obsolete? Now if the Imperial flagship had be set adrift for some reason (like an alternate plan from Finn & Rose to slow the ship when disabling the tracking device failed redeeming their pointless venture), that would be an explanation why it worked, here only without breaking the universe, but that would taken at least mediocre writing skills to have done.

 

[Zumino Zufeilon]

If the Rebel ships ran out of fuel and coasting the, why not take half the imperial fleet and mini-jump ahead on their path and wait for them and pincer them.

Since the small frigets were being abandoned why not hyper-space jump them into the enemy fleet especially the tracking capable ships?
Why wait until well over half the fleeing shuttles have been picked off to hyper-space ram the imperial fleet.
In the thousands of years of hyperspace travel, why has no one thought of using hyper-space ramming as a weapon since it's so OP making every battleship up to and likely including the deathstar obsolete? Now if the Imperial flagship had be set adrift for some reason (like an alternate plan from Finn & Rose to slow the ship when disabling the tracking device failed redeeming their pointless venture), that would be an explanation why it worked, here only without breaking the universe, but that would taken at least mediocre writing skills to have done.

And those are valid points.
But complaining that the "ships ran out of fuel and slowed down" is, among the various complaints, not a reasonable one.

 

[motomonkey]

Gotta love Star wars, where we can be talking about Light Sabers and space wizards and how cool they are in one post, them quickly shift to how unrealistic the space combat or physics are.....

 

[Uvaman2]

Gotta love Star wars, where we can be talking about Light Sabers and space wizards and how cool they are in one post, them quickly shift to how unrealistic the space combat or physics are.....

Yeah but the problem about what they are talking about has been detailed correctly.... it boils down to shit story telling . Disney along with the fact that their movies are just plain bad movies in general, with terrible acting.. on top of it, Disney doesn't even respect the franchise at all... You know, i know its stupid and non sensical, but the more time passes, the more pissed i get at the ruination of SW... And I don't consider myself a fan in any meaningful way, but i like sci fi, so i guess i don't like losing a whole franchise to the trash bin, like it just happened to star wars, same as they did to star strek (didn't really liked the movies... Maybe it wasn't as horrible as what happened to SW but still)

 

[NoOther]

Yeah but the problem about what they are talking about has been detailed correctly.... it boils down to shit story telling .

False. Shit story telling is shit story telling. Abusing physics does not equate to shit storytelling. If that is true we would hardly have any good stories at all.

 

[motomonkey]

what author said you can only violate one of the rules of physics and maintain suspension of disbelief? Star wars doesn't really follow the hardcore sci-fi rules, but the same principles still apply.

 

[Armenius]

Ummmm, it's Star Wars and Physics, so, you know, Magic Space Wizards and all that.

But

Rebel Ships are Accelerating
First Order Ships are Accelerating

Rebel Ships run out of fuel, and thus stop accelerating and are coasting.
First Order Ships don't.

So, it "Looks" like the Rebel Ships are slowing down, but instead, they are just not accelerating anymore. Basic physics.

Newton's First Law.

I know what you're saying, but you still have to be able to suspend disbelief. Newton's Laws of Motion are well known by almost everyone, so ignoring them is a bad move even in a fantasy.

 

[Dan_D]

Ummmm, it's Star Wars and Physics, so, you know, Magic Space Wizards and all that.

But

Rebel Ships are Accelerating
First Order Ships are Accelerating

Rebel Ships run out of fuel, and thus stop accelerating and are coasting.
First Order Ships don't.

So, it "Looks" like the Rebel Ships are slowing down, but instead, they are just not accelerating anymore. Basic physics.

That doesn't make any sense. Vessels in space would still have a maximum speed. They wouldn't be able to continue accelerating indefinitely.

 

[Design1stcode2nd]

You guys really get worked up, its a movie where a magical force surrounds us and penetrates us....

Episodes 1-3 I found far worse (except for a few segments) and any recent SW film.

Sure I'd like more realistic science, better acting and plot but I can enjoy it for what it is.

 

[Jagger100]

You guys really get worked up, its a movie where a magical force surrounds us and penetrates us....

Episodes 1-3 I found far worse (except for a few segments) and any recent SW film.

Sure I'd like more realistic science, better acting and plot but I can enjoy it for what it is.

Movie going public disagrees with you. Ep 7 & 8 enjoyed box office entirely on the backs of 1-6. Solo took it on the nose because of 7 & 8. So you're the exception. Ep 1-3 weren't great but they didn't leave a permanent bad taste in everyone's mouth and enjoyed probably by the under 12 at the time crowd.

 

[SmokeRngs]

False. Shit story telling is shit story telling. Abusing physics does not equate to shit storytelling. If that is true we would hardly have any good stories at all.

The Last Jedi is the epitome of shit storytelling. The antagonist in the movie was running out of fuel. And how did it happen? This movie takes over literally right as the previous movie ended. According to The Force Awakens the First Order was a small splinter group from the Empire. It wasn't large or powerful enough to take on an obviously weak and corrupt New Republic. With no noticeable time lag between the movies the First Order has somehow taken over the whole galaxy, effectively wiped out the Resistance and made it so the remnants of the Resistance can't fuel up anywhere leaving their ships with low fuel tanks. How is this possible in what probably can't be more than a couple of weeks to a month?

This isn't even bringing in the stupidity of "bombers" which move at a top speed of 5 mph and work as if they are in a planet's gravity well, a casino scene which means absolutely nothing, a hair coloring general who is not only an idiot but pushes the people under her to mutiny, a Luke Skywalker who is turned into a millennial and many other egregious screwups.

 

[NoOther]

The Last Jedi is the epitome of shit storytelling.

I do not disagree it has shit storytelling, just that physics alone does not account for whether a story is good or not.

 

[SmokeRngs]

I do not disagree it has shit storytelling, just that physics alone does not account for whether a story is good or not.

No one said it was the only reason and there have been many, many, many other examples of shit storytelling in this thread alone. It just happens that the physics used in the movie does not match up with the physics in the other movies and happens to be low hanging fruit for complaint. The bad physics used in the movie is shit storytelling because it's the hinge of the plot. Without the physics which doesn't match up with established physics in previous movies, there is no plot.

 

[NoOther]

No one said it was the only reason and there have been many, many, many other examples of shit storytelling in this thread alone. It just happens that the physics used in the movie does not match up with the physics in the other movies and happens to be low hanging fruit for complaint. The bad physics used in the movie is shit storytelling because it's the hinge of the plot. Without the physics which doesn't match up with established physics in previous movies, there is no plot.

Except if you follow the logic from the post I quoted, it goes back to the complaints about the physics. And that the physics make it shit storytelling. So yes, they were effectively saying physics alone makes it shit storytelling.

 

[Dan_D]

No one said it was the only reason and there have been many, many, many other examples of shit storytelling in this thread alone. It just happens that the physics used in the movie does not match up with the physics in the other movies and happens to be low hanging fruit for complaint. The bad physics used in the movie is shit storytelling because it's the hinge of the plot. Without the physics which doesn't match up with established physics in previous movies, there is no plot.

Exactly. The whole scene with the ships chasing each other is absolutely awful. Bad physics that neither match previous films or reality are a big reason for that. The whole chase, Leia Poppins, Finn leaving and coming back to the ship and even Admiral Holdo's lawn darting of the ship into the Super Star Destroyer are all examples of bad physics. If there was any grounding in physics, even such as it is in Star Wars, none of that bullshit would have been done that way.

 

[Draxanoth]

Exactly. The whole scene with the ships chasing each other is absolutely awful. Bad physics that neither match previous films or reality are a big reason for that. The whole chase, Leia Poppins, Finn leaving and coming back to the ship and even Admiral Holdo's lawn darting of the ship into the Super Star Destroyer are all examples of bad physics. If there was any grounding in physics, even such as it is in Star Wars, none of that bullshit would have been done that way.

Even my wife, who saw Star Wars for the first time 3 years ago, was more than capable of presenting a solid case for why TLJ was a mess. I actually liked TFA a lot, but they needed a logical development behind Rey's uncanny affinity, Luke's hiding totally in contradiction to his established character, and Snoke's existence. Instead they jettisoned all of it and injected a pointless Casino scene, continued to slander the legacy of original characters, and had the most boring space chase ever devised. Has Rian Johnson even seen the other movies? Based on the parody he produced I would bet he hit cliff notes before his interview.

I don't understand what their game plan is now either. Instead of acknowledging they need people below deck bailing water, they're basically berating fans who skipped Solo. That is not going to motivate more people to see the next one. I guess we'll find out if they really just decided to burn money to fuel their own egos, but why wait for the media to quiet before Kennedy "steps down"? If they are planning to cut her loose I would do it now and save some face. I can only imagine the out-pour of support they would get if they fired her outright tomorrow, followed by "we're cancelling TLJ post release, re-doing that movie entirely, and not making Luke a whiny attempted child murderer... because you know he totally ignored all the naysayers to save his father from being 93% evil"; the Fry memes would be out in full force.

 

[Uvaman2]

Disney and Lucasfilm needs more diversity in their C- suite.

 

[gunbust3r]

Another point of lazy writing. Rebel transports have stealth.

First order can defeat stealth if someone tells them to scan for it. Don't they have like half a million people staffing snokes flagship? No one pushed the scan for stealth button?

 

[Dan_D]

Another point of lazy writing. Rebel transports have stealth.

First order can defeat stealth if someone tells them to scan for it. Don't they have like half a million people staffing snokes flagship? No one pushed the scan for stealth button?

Sigh.....it just gets worse and worse the more you analyze it. It's not like the original trilogy which falters when analyzed. You know there are some plot holes but you let it go because it's a fun ride, the characters are charming and it's visually interesting. These are adjectives you can't use to describe the current trilogy at all. Things like the bombing scene are so fucking stupid that even the visuals fail to impress.

 

[Uvaman2]

Sigh.....it just gets worse and worse the more you analyze it.

This, so much. I guess the more I analyze it too, I start turning into one of those toxic fans... I wasnt really much of a fan
.. guess I will turn white too, heheh.
Seriously I was reading some Forbes article that she ain't going anywhere because you know, the movies are critically acclaimed, and solo is the only flop... Are paid critics a thing? I can't accept an objective honest view of these movie can end up being positive.

 

[Dan_D]

This, so much. I guess the more I analyze it too, I start turning into one of those toxic fans... I wasnt really much of a fan
.. guess I will turn white too, heheh.
Seriously I was reading some Forbes article that she ain't going anywhere because you know, the movies are critically acclaimed, and solo is the only flop... Are paid critics a thing? I can't accept an objective honest view of these movie can end up being positive.

The problem is that all the critics are so far divorced from the general population that their opinions have become entirely useless. Critics hating something nearly guarantees it will be good.

 

[DocNo]

No one bitched in the male dominated 1980's about Ellen Ripley from the Alien movies being female. She was a good character and that's all that mattered. The issue stems from badly written characters that only exist in that form to push a political agenda.

Worth quoting again.

 

[DocNo]

The thing is, while I see the point made here by many of you, I'm still going to go out on a limb as say it's not the biggest problem in that part of the movie by a long shot. It's an issue, that's for sure but not the biggest one.

Nope, it's not the biggest one. It was just the final straw for me, personally. I can suspend a lot of disbelief in movies in order to keep the illusion up, but that was the final straw in a string of lazy assed contrivances that didn't even pay off in that compelling of a story line. The whole "ship runs out of fuel and starts to slow down" jarred me out of the illusion pretty hard but I gritted my teeth and pushed the rational nerd back into the box inside my head so I could try to salvage the rest of the movie. But when she hyperspace the ship into the First Order ship it was like shattering the mirror - my first thought is "why the hell didn't they do that before the first ship ran out of gas?!?" then followed by "why the hell didn't anyone do that before if it was a thing" then to the logical conclusion of "shit, if they could have always done that then then the vast majority of the previous movies was unnecessary BS" and at that point I swore off seeing any more of the "new" Star Wars in the theater.

Screw them.

Completely half assed "plot" with beyond egregious plot holes that still didn't pay off? Fool me six times, because "Star Wars" I guess - but no more. Enough is enough. They didn't even try.

Oh yeah, the First Order couldn't catch up to the Rebels but the space casino/animal rights bandits could? Again screw them. Just utter garbage.


Futurama gets away with the below because it's funny and poking fun at tropes



SW had far more ridiculous contrivances and tried to play it straight to boot. Ugh.

 

[DocNo]

Rebel Ships are Accelerating
First Order Ships are Accelerating

Rebel Ships run out of fuel, and thus stop accelerating and are coasting.
First Order Ships don't.

Infinite acceleration?

Or

They both magically happened to have matching acceleration curves? Exactly the same?

 

[SecretStash]

A lot of times, with games or movies, when the writing seems off with random nonsense (like a casino out of nowhere), it's not always the writers, but often some opinionated exec who wants stuff cut (thus leaving the remaining content out of place) or the bozo has some vision or agenda of something dumb he wants to inject into the story and no one else has the authority to shoot it down and call it nonsense.

Lucas started out great because he had a lot of excellent ideas, and there was accountability where others could veto his bad ideas. Checks and balances are important. But then he no longer had near equals in the decision process. So things went down hill.

 

[Uvaman2]

https://www.wired.com/story/cantina-talk-62
So its a nope.. i guess i am feeling a calmess about no caring about star wars, honestly i thought i didn't care too much, but realized i was getting more upset about its ruination than what i should have been, so that is dumb.. meh whatever watch, not watch.. it is what it is