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Love your socket 754?

yeah 30's are great. The only time I see 30's in my machine is when it starts. I usually idle 40-43. It's hot in my room and I have adequate vent too.
 
Pkirk618 said:
yeah 30's are great. The only time I see 30's in my machine is when it starts. I usually idle 40-43. It's hot in my room and I have adequate vent too.
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ouch, thats kinda high for idle.

I'm at 34 myself, and I'm overclocked...but my room is cool and I have a BigTyphon, so that sorta invalidates my temps :D
 
I have a similar temperature question. I have a 3000+ venice with an si-120 with a panaflo l1b strapped to it and my idle temp of 38C hasn't changed from the stock cooler, but my load temps dropped 8-10C from 53-55C to 45C after 20 minutes of encoding a dvd. and in both instances i am/was using as5. I know the current temps are not harmful, i was just under the impression that they should be lower. Is this sort of thing common, or are my temperature sensors on my motherboard reading the temperatures high? Also I applied the as5 per previous instructions i have gotten so im 99% sure thats not the issue.
 
That does seem a bit high for idle temp as my 3000+, 3200+ and 3400+ all idle(d) at about 37C under fairly heavy overclocking . Stock speeds showed about 32.5C at idle with a Gigabyte 3D Cooler Ultra GT hsf.
 
To BRT3:
Idle temperatures on air won’t change much between coolers. Because the chip isn't putting out as much heat, most coolers can handle the load just fine and will keep your chip just above ambient.

Remember, with air cooling your temperatures can only be as low as the ambient air temp. You can only pull so much heat off.

When you load your processor and it produces more heat, a better cooler starts to stand out. While lesser coolers can’t dissipate the heat fast enough and become saturated, better coolers will keep your processors temp closer to ambient.
 
Thanks guys, that was what i was looking for. but i almost think that the sensors are off, because i just opened up my case and felt the heat sink (probalbly not the smartest think ive ever done), the part that is actually on the cpu, not the wing, and it was very cool to the touch, this almost makes me think that one of two things are going on here:

1) the sensors are off, or
2) I am not getting very good heat trasfer

I can see how #2 is a possibility since i installed the hsf while the mobo was in the case, and it was kinda cramped in there so while installing it, i could have caused the as5 to be distributed unevenly, but at the same time, even enough to keep the change in temperatures relatively low. when i have time i'll reseat the the heatsink and see what happens. thanks again for the help, i really appriciate it.

EDIT: Well since i had the side of my case off, the temps droped 1.5 to 2C according to speedfan, which introduces fresh airflow or lack there of as a new problem. and also my ambient room temperature is between 78 and 80C (i dont run the ac any cooler to save money).
 
You may also want to give Arctic Silver Ceramique a look as well. I have used it on all my Venice cpu's and it seems to work very well. I have AS5 on my 3700+ Clawhammer at work and the Ceramique is as good or better than the AS5. If you need some new paste I highly recommend it, if not the AS5 is a good choice as well.
 
I ignored my family all day and just finished creating a little DDR Calculator utility that lets you adjust HTT, Multipliers, and Memory Dividers.

It then calculates what Core Speed and Memory Frequency you should expect if you headed into the BIOS and tried these new settings. It's designed for Athlon64 processors that use DDR or DDR2 memory. The terminology is the same as what CPU-z uses so it shouldn't be too confusing.

It might be handy for overclockers that want to experiment with various settings without having to melt down their computer in the process. You should get a better understanding of how these options interact with each other and what sort of memory divider you should be using to keep your memory running at a frequency where it's happy.

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You can download this program here:
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/glynnk/DDRCalc.zip

It's freeware so you can do what you wish with it. If it's of any use to anyone out there then let me know. Any comments or suggestions are appreciated.
 
Sweet! Nice job. I finally got mine happy with mem settings. Turns out DDR466 with timings of 2.5-2-2-8 1T is what it likes best. Runs 225x12 to 230x12 very nicely at those settings - and the new CPU-z does show correct ram speed BTW.
I'm still not prime stable at 225x12 unfortunately. It goes to the 3rd stage of the 6th iteration before locking. I need either more vcore or less cpu frequency, however, it runs stable during hours of gameplay at no more than 46C so I'm extremely happy with it.
 
Looks like I'm leaving my S754 behind after spending a year with it. My PSU blew up, took the mobo with it. I'm gonna pick up a motherboard on the cheap and give it to my wife while I move on to newer, better things. If I were to fix it for myself I'd want to get a better motherboard than the one I have now, but to spend that much money I may as well just move to a PCI-E motherboard, which means I would need another video card, but if I'm gonna take that big of a step I may as well go the whole way and move to DDR-2. Ok maybe thats a shaky justification, but to put it simply I'm taking the death of my rig as a sign to move on. Soooo...

Farewell :)
 
My Crucial Ballistix used to enjoy 2.5-2-2-8 at 250 MHz to 260 MHz but only at 2T. If you can run it at 1T up to 245 MHz then you are definitely getting the most out of that RAM.

Good work!
 
nigerian_businessman said:
Looks like I'm leaving my S754 behind after spending a year with it. My PSU blew up, took the mobo with it. I'm gonna pick up a motherboard on the cheap and give it to my wife while I move on to newer, better things. If I were to fix it for myself I'd want to get a better motherboard than the one I have now, but to spend that much money I may as well just move to a PCI-E motherboard, which means I would need another video card, but if I'm gonna take that big of a step I may as well go the whole way and move to DDR-2. Ok maybe thats a shaky justification, but to put it simply I'm taking the death of my rig as a sign to move on. Soooo...

Farewell :)
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Good luck and have fun with the AM2 stuff :)

I would do the same as you if the same thing happened to me.
 
Xilikon said:
Good luck and have fun with the AM2 stuff :)

I would do the same as you if the same thing happened to me.
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Thanks :) Don't know if I'm going to AM2 though, still undecided on that. As it stands right now I think I'm going to sweat it out on my wife's Dell for a few more weeks until Conroe comes and make a decision then. It's torture, but after thinking long and hard I just know that I'd regret it in the long run if I went out and put something together right now with so many changes coming up in a month or so.

I'm just happy to have such an understanding wife. She's actually encouraging the upgrade, which is weird cause every time I start getting tech envy and looking at new stuff for the computer, she's shooting me dirty looks. Since the PS blew up though, and I explained why it makes sense to upgrade now, she's actually been okay with it, which is weird. I think it might have something to do with knowing she'll be getting her own computer that can actually run the Sims 2. :D

Now I'm just hoping that when the PS blew, all it took out was the motherboard. Its gonna chap my ass if I have to replace anything else.
 
Sorry to have assumed it. You did the proper choice to wait till Conroe is around then ponder what you should get.
 
Socket 754 fan here. I had a Gigabyte K8N PRO refurb motherboard I got a few years back for $24 from newegg...a year later I actually could afford the CPU (newcastle a64 2800+). Built it January of last year. I found the primary IDE channel on it was toast. I used the IDE raid channels instead. Makes the board kind of unsell-able, it's in the closet :(

I got a deal on an x800 pci-e card for $47 or so from Dell back in December...needed a PCIe board..stuck with 754 (no need to jump sockets/CPUs...too expensive). Got a Gigabyte K8NE.


Anyway, I picked up one of the 3400+ Venice chips from Star Micro after poking around on the internet trying to find somewhere else with them. Was leery of their reseller rating, but read good feedback here on getting them. It shipped quickly and works great. Good deal for $99 shipped.

I spent some time playing with it yesterday. Got 230x12 @ 1.500v and IIRC I had it running almost stable at 230x12 at 1.475v. No luck with 240x12 though at any voltage. So far 230x12 has been the stable boot speed, 235x12 had windows services dying. 230x12 not yet prime95 stable, still playing with it.

Stuck with 220x12 @ 1.475v for now, stable, nice and cool at about 32-34 C. 6 mo old baby kept me too busy to play with it much further since I had to keep resetting the CMOS, board is finicky (and didn't want a crash while playing Guild Wars). I'm gonna keep playing to get 230x12 stable.

Gigabyte K8NE
Venice 3400+
1GB Corsair Value Select 2.5cas (1 stick removed to be RMA'd, found out it's slightly faulty)
Antec SL350 350w PS (21a on the 12v)
Visiontech vanilla x800
Arctic silver & stock cooler
HP version Sony 22.5" FW900-clone CRT monitor
 
My 7yr old son is just fine on his S754 A64 3000+ with a gig-o-ram and a Radeon X800XTPE, it runs modern stuff quite well. It was my "old" game rig as QCon last year....
 
Hey GreenMonkey - good to hear someone else getting the 3400+ Venice as well.
I've been able to get 225x12 @ 1.54v game stable but not 24hr Prime stable as of yet. I can go as high as 230x12 @1.62-1.64v game stable but it is still a little shaky. Max I can go is 235x12 but it is unstable. It will run Superpi and Sisandra at that speed but Prime kills it fairly quick. As for 240x12 - I'm having the same problem - no boot no matter where I set the voltage and ram timings.
I have hit 280x10 but have not yet invested the time to really see what it will do at other multipliers. I like my ram speed (DDR466, 2.5-2-2-8 1T) where it is set at the moment. The DDR466 divider @ 230x12 nets me a ram speed of 251 mhz (DDR502) which is very pleasing in lieu of my DDR400 ram.
Good luck on your overclocking adventures!
 
GreenMonkey: could you try running yours at 220x12 (2640) and see how many volts it takes you to be Prime stable. I run my Athlon64 3000 at 264x10 (2640) and that's about the last point where it's Prime stable without resorting to any high speed fan noise.

Stress Prime 2004 ( SP2004 ) gives Prime a more professional look:
http://sp2004.fre3.com/sp2004exe_20060405.cab

If you want to sell your broken K8NS Pro board that's collecting dust in your closet then you could send it my way for $20.
e-mail me ( monitrex AT yahoo.ca ) if you're interested.

Any user looking to build a cheap s754 system will be happy with whatever Venice core Athlon64 3000, 3200, 3400 they end up with.
 
Any user looking to build a cheap s754 system will be happy with whatever Venice core Athlon64 3000, 3200, 3400 they end up with.
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That's for sure. I have 1 of each and they are far better than my old Clawhammers (3400+ and 3700+). Of course the older Claws will work well in server or HTPC applications.
 
First PC was an Althon 64 3200+ 754 Clawhammer with a gig of ram
Thing ran like a champ :D
 
BigMacAttack said:
I've been able to get 225x12 @ 1.54v game stable but not 24hr Prime stable as of yet.
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I like my ram speed (DDR466, 2.5-2-2-8 1T) where it is set at the moment. The DDR466 divider @ 230x12 nets me a ram speed of 251 mhz (DDR502) which is very pleasing in lieu of my DDR400 ram.
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Currently I have my 3400+ at 217x12 (2.6GHz) @ 1.6v and using a DDR433 divider, so my RAM is at DDR473.

BTW 1T at DDR500, very nice! My 1GB stick will do DDR500 at 2t but I have to jolt it with 3.2v to get it there...as it is though, I've got a ton of headroom to play with, so I might try upping the divider to DDR 466.
 
Unknown-One: Could you post a screen shot or tell me what CPU-z reports on the Memory tab when you set your divider to DDR400, DDR433, DDR466 and DDR500? I'm trying to learn as much as I can about these things. :cool:

In theory the Athlon 3400 with a 12X multi should look like this:

Divider - Memory Speed = CPU Speed / xx
DDR400 Memory Speed = CPU Speed / 12
DDR433 Memory Speed = CPU Speed / 12
DDR466 Memory Speed = CPU Speed / 11
DDR500 Memory Speed = CPU Speed / 10

AMD says DDR400 and DDR433 should use the same divider but if CPU-z reports that there is a difference and your memory is already running at DDR473 then your motherboard is using CPU / 11. It's not supposed to use that until you select DDR466 but not all motherboards follow the AMD specs to the letter. What motherboard are you using?

Your only other option beyond DDR473 is CPU / 10 or 260 MHz ( DDR520 ).
 
Unknown-One said:
you should be sitting idle in the mid to low 30's

what kind of airflow do you have through your case? Can you give us a number of intake and exaust fans, aswell as their location?
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sorry didn't get back for a while, it idles at 38 now that the arctic silver kicked in, and that is on stock cooling in an non ac'd room oc'd at 2.5 so i think we evend out, under load i see about 45-46 now

air flow is ok..its a midatx with a 6800 gt sort of cutting off half the case but i think i got a good flow worked out now,
 
BigMacAttack said:
Hey GreenMonkey - good to hear someone else getting the 3400+ Venice as well.
I've been able to get 225x12 @ 1.54v game stable but not 24hr Prime stable as of yet. I can go as high as 230x12 @1.62-1.64v game stable but it is still a little shaky. Max I can go is 235x12 but it is unstable. It will run Superpi and Sisandra at that speed but Prime kills it fairly quick. As for 240x12 - I'm having the same problem - no boot no matter where I set the voltage and ram timings.
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unclewebb said:
GreenMonkey: could you try running yours at 220x12 (2640) and see how many volts it takes you to be Prime stable. I run my Athlon64 3000 at 264x10 (2640) and that's about the last point where it's Prime stable without resorting to any high speed fan noise.
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Mine seems to be perfectly stable at 220x12, running at either 1.475v or 1.5v (forget which, posting from work PC). I know I left it running that speed and certainly wasn't running it higher than 1.5v. It passed an hour or two of prime95 and I played Guild Wars for a few hours on it at that speed. I don't need it prime stable for 24 hours, if it passes all the tests a few times I'm happy.

I didn't like cranking it much higher because it was requiring a lot of voltage, and I've got the stock cooler on it. I still mean to tinker with it sometime this weekend, but working 2-12 hour nightshifts doesn't leave me a lot of time to tinker.

230x12 1.5xx? volts had prime reporting errors but windows seemed almost stable. I might try 230x12 and a bit more voltage...I don't generally overclock stuff to the limit and leave it that way, gets too hot for me. But with such a cool running .90 chip I'm more willing to do it.
 
Yeah - I can afford a little more leeway with this hsf. It keeps the chip nice and cool - as well as the ram, too. My ram is always cool to the touch no matter the voltage.
230x12 @ 1.60-1.62v is usually the norm if I run it that fast. Miostly I just run 225x12 @ 1.54v because it runs cooler and more stable. If I want to kick it up I'll run 235x12 @ 1.66-1.68v and let 'er rip!
Here's some 235x12 screenies from this morning at 235x12
The weird thing is CPU-z is reading the voltage wrong. I have it set for 1.66v in bios which means an actual voltage of about 1.69v
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superpi.jpg
sisandra.jpg
 
unclewebb said:
Unknown-One: Could you post a screen shot or tell me what CPU-z reports on the Memory tab when you set your divider to DDR400, DDR433, DDR466 and DDR500? I'm trying to learn as much as I can about these things. :cool:
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Working on it :)
 
BigMacAttack said:
Yeah - I can afford a little more leeway with this hsf. It keeps the chip nice and cool - as well as the ram, too. My ram is always cool to the touch no matter the voltage.
230x12 @ 1.60-1.62v is usually the norm if I run it that fast. Miostly I just run 225x12 @ 1.54v because it runs cooler and more stable. If I want to kick it up I'll run 235x12 @ 1.66-1.68v and let 'er rip!
Here's some 235x12 screenies from this morning at 235x12
The weird thing is CPU-z is reading the voltage wrong. I have it set for 1.66v in bios which means an actual voltage of about 1.69v
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Whew, that's a lot of voltage! I seem to have made some progress, I had about half an hour today while I was eating breakfast/dinner/whatever you call it when you sleep third shift. I got the system to boot stable at 230x12 @ 1.55v with a HTT speed of 1x...this board is very grouchy when you overclock it with any sort of HTT speed (same deal with my old newcastle). Next voltage bump is to 1.65 which is a little high for my liking.

But it wouldn't pass 230x12 in Prime95, it was getting rounding errors on the first test. I tried upping the HT-link voltage, playing with RAM divider, no go. Did some googling and turned off detect PCI clk which apparently just turns off power to the spare PCI slots or something...recommended setting is off. Still no luck.

So I tried instead 235x11.5 - success! I've got it running Prime95 at home...it passed the first 7 or 8 tests so far, running at temp of 44-45C according to Gigabyte EasyTune. I'll have my wife turn it off later tonight I guess.

So it appears I've successfully gotten ~2.7ghz at 1.55v, 235x11, HTT 1x, Ram divider had the ram running at ~398 IIRC (value ram doesn't have much room for oc'ing).

I'll play further tomorrow and see if I can get any better out of it.
 
Don't let anyone tell you that these old s754 chips don't have some balls!

CPU-z v1.35 is not reporting the voltage correctly but other than that the rest looks pretty good.

Always fun to run 'er wide open just to see what she'll do! ;)

athlon29457hq.png
 
I noticed the same voltage glitch in CPU-z 1.35 too. Anything above about 1.55v and cpu-z doen't show it correctly.
 
unclewebb said:
Don't let anyone tell you that these old s754 chips don't have some balls!

CPU-z v1.35 is not reporting the voltage correctly but other than that the rest looks pretty good.

Always fun to run 'er wide open just to see what she'll do! ;)

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1908/athlon29457hq.png[/img]
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I got my A64 3000+ to 3.01 GHz on air and proud :cool:
 
Emission said:
I got my A64 3000+ to 3.01 GHz on air and proud :cool:
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Who wouldn't be proud? I know I am! :)

I might have to wait until winter time before it gets cool enough for me to hit that on air. Glad to know it's possible.
 
Ugh, wife checked the PC before she went to bed and told me it said there was an error :( Guess 235x11.5 wasn't as stable as I thought :(

EDIT: She must have been looking at the Gigabyte Easytune exclamation point on the system fan readout :eek: 235x11.5 Prime95 stable for 13 hours, 49 minutes :D
 
I'd been able to run it 2.8 @ 1.55v stable, running it as a server. Was pretty nice :D
 
GreenMonkey: In EasyTune5 you can click on PC Health and then click on Settings. In here you can lower the fan RPM warning settings to get rid of those flashing exclamation points to keep the wife happy. :)

Does your BIOS let you select half multiplier settings like 11.5? Most only allow you to select whole numbers.
 
Yeah, I can do halfsies :D

It's so hard to figure out what's stable and what's not, though. It has to wam boot a few times with the new settings before it will work, and sometimes settings I'm sure work fine result in a lockup at the bios.

I just lowered it back to 235x11.5 again and got artifacts upon boot and a hard lockup. After a power cycle and going back in/out of the bios it works fine :confused: Some googling around I did hear some complaints from people about stuff like that with some of the gigabyte nforce boards.

Anyway, it looks like 235x11.5 is as good as I'm gonna get. Anything higher than that immediately fails prime95.

I think it's probably the passive cooling on the board - I noticed it got awfully hot. I tried running at 240x10, which would be stock speed, and it got very grumpy and required a cmos reset. I don't think this board likes anything past 240 very much.
 
unclewebb said:
Who wouldn't be proud? I know I am! :)

I might have to wait until winter time before it gets cool enough for me to hit that on air. Glad to know it's possible.
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My overclock has fallen too. I switched back to air from water and this is the first time I've had to deal with summer heat increases in three years. Oh well.
 
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