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quadman78

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Hi all,
I'm building a gaming machine. This is my first time building a machine, so I'm looking for a lil help. My budget is around the 2k mark, give or take a bit, but I need no peripherals. I know very little about OC'ing but am planning to start playing around with it so please keep that in mind when you give your advice. I currently have my computer hooked up to my 50" Sony 1080P LCD tv and would like to continue if at all possible. Looking to play pretty much everything out there...crysis, COD4 etc... I've spent the last day or so reading reviews and forums and this is what I have for now. A couple trouble spots for me are fans(no idea how many i need, size etc), also alot of people reccomend noctua as a brand but nobody local seems to have them. The other things is ram speed, I have no idea if I should be going 800/1066/1333 mhz. Please let me know if I'm forgetting anything as well or if I should be including a RAID setup etc or conflicts.

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3655524&sku=P33-5074
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2765147&sku=ULT40069
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3610631&sku=M452-6004

2 x http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3525730&sku=B52-8808

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1899455&sku=A107-1076

2 x http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3564505&sku=TSD-500AS5

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2882721&sku=M333-3000

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3584440&sku=CP2-DUO-Q9300

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2911683&sku=L12-1132

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1895098&sku=ULT33069

Ihave a SB X-Fi in my old system that I'm going to use as well

Thanks
 
I don't know if Apevia is a good brand for a PSU.

A Q6600, or a E8400 might be better choices for your CPU.

Listing components by name instead of just pasting links would probably get more replies.
 
try these sites vs. Tigerdirect

www.infonec.com

www.canadacomputers.com

both have multiple locations and smoke the product lines and better prices see as your in Canada (me too)

If you are putting together a nice system you need a solid psu and apevia is anything but. Stick with Corsair, Seasonic, PC Power & Cooling, Antec & Enermax for the psu. Its the heart of the system and you cant risk the whole thing with a bad heart.
 
XFX nForce 790i Ultra SLI Motherboard - NVIDIA nForce 790i, Socket 775, ATX, Audio, PCI Express 2.0, SLI Ready, Dual Gigabit LAN, S/PDIF, USB 2.0, Firewire, eSATA, RAID

Ultra X3 ULT40073 600-Watt Power Supply - ATX, SATA-Ready, PCI-E Ready, Energy Efficient, Modular

2 x Corsair XMS3 2048MB Dual Channel PC10600 DDR3 1333MHz Memory (2 x 1024MB)

Thermaltake / TMG i1 / Socket 775 / Copper Base / CPU Cooler

Ultra m998 ULT40069 Mid-Tower ATX Case - Aluminum. Clear Side, Front USB 2.0, FireWire, eSATA and Audio Ports

2 x BFG GeForce 8800 GT OC Video Card - 512MB GDDR3, PCI Express 2.0, SLI Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HDTV, Video Card

2 x Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 500GB Hard Drive - 7200RPM, 32MB, SATA-300,

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 Processor EU80580PJ0606M - 2.50GHz, 6MB Cache, 1333MHz FSB, Yorkfield, Quad Core, OEM, Socket 775, Processor

Lite-On LH-20A1S SuperAllwrite SATA DVD Burner - 20x DVD±R Burn, 16x DVD±R Read, 8x DVD+RW, 6x DVD-RW, 8x DVD±R DL, 12x DVD-RAM, 48x32x CD-R/RW

Thanks again
 
quadman78 said:
XFX nForce 790i Ultra SLI Motherboard - NVIDIA nForce 790i, Socket 775, ATX, Audio, PCI Express 2.0, SLI Ready, Dual Gigabit LAN, S/PDIF, USB 2.0, Firewire, eSATA, RAID

Ultra X3 ULT40073 600-Watt Power Supply - ATX, SATA-Ready, PCI-E Ready, Energy Efficient, Modular

2 x Corsair XMS3 2048MB Dual Channel PC10600 DDR3 1333MHz Memory (2 x 1024MB)

Thermaltake / TMG i1 / Socket 775 / Copper Base / CPU Cooler

Ultra m998 ULT40069 Mid-Tower ATX Case - Aluminum. Clear Side, Front USB 2.0, FireWire, eSATA and Audio Ports

2 x BFG GeForce 8800 GT OC Video Card - 512MB GDDR3, PCI Express 2.0, SLI Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HDTV, Video Card

2 x Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 500GB Hard Drive - 7200RPM, 32MB, SATA-300,

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 Processor EU80580PJ0606M - 2.50GHz, 6MB Cache, 1333MHz FSB, Yorkfield, Quad Core, OEM, Socket 775, Processor

Lite-On LH-20A1S SuperAllwrite SATA DVD Burner - 20x DVD±R Burn, 16x DVD±R Read, 8x DVD+RW, 6x DVD-RW, 8x DVD±R DL, 12x DVD-RAM, 48x32x CD-R/RW

Thanks again
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That's a solid build except for the case. I don't know much about it, but I would opt for a good Antec or LianLi before an Ultra.
 
Getting close I think, hoping someone will elaborate a bit on why I should pick certain thing...i.e. processor, why take a duo core instead of the quad, whether or not I'll need additional cooling and anything I'm missing, Thanks to all replies so far.

CASE
CANADA COMPUTERS
Antec P182 Advanced Super Mid Tower Case- Gun Metal Black $138.99
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=013501&cid=CS.664

POWER SUPPLIES
TIGER DIRECT
Ultra X3 ULT40073 600-Watt Power Supply - ATX, SATA-Ready, PCI-E Ready, Energy Efficient, Modular $158.99
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2974472&CatId=1483
CoolerMaster Real Power Pro 650-Watt Power Supply - SLI, SATA-Ready, 120mm Fan, Active PFC $146.99
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3299709&CatId=1483
CANADA COMPUTERS
Antec NEOPOWER 650 650W ATX12V 120mm LED Fan 80PLUS ROHS Power Supply $155.00
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=015139&cid=PS.808

Does anybody have a modular PSU? It was strongly recommended that I get one...


MOTHERBOARD
TIGER DIRECT
XFX nForce 790i Ultra SLI Motherboard - NVIDIA nForce 790i, Socket 775, ATX, Audio, PCI Express 2.0, SLI Ready, Dual Gigabit LAN, S/PDIF, USB 2.0, Firewire, eSATA, RAID $319.97 *after rebate
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3714950&sku=P450-9116

INFONEC COMPUTERS
Asus Motherboard P5E3 Premium/WiFi-AP Intel X48 LGA775 FSB1600MHz 4DDR3 SATAII RAID Audio IEEE1394 Dual Gb LAN ATX (P5E3 PREMIUM/WIFI-AP) $379.99
http://www.infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=352951

CPU
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 Processor EU80580PJ0606M - 2.50GHz, 6MB Cache, 1333MHz FSB, Yorkfield, Quad Core, OEM, Socket 775, Processor $279.99
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3584440&sku=CP2-DUO-Q9300
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Processor BX80570E8400 - 3.0GHz, 6MB Cache, 1333MHz FSB, Wolfdale, Dual-Core, Retail, Socket 775, Processor with Fan $219.97
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3574211&CatId=2396

GPU
2 x BFG GeForce 8800 GT OC Video Card - 512MB GDDR3, PCI Express 2.0, SLI Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HDTV, Video Card $213.99 *after rebate
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3525730&sku=B52-8808
2 x XFX GeForce 9600 GT XXX Video Card - Alpha Dog Edition, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare PC Game, 512MB DDR3, PCI Express 2.0, SLI Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HDTV, HDMI Support$ 223.99 * After rebate
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3755526&CatId=3670
Is there any real difference between the different makes I should worry about?

RAM
I know I want 4 GB, and I think I want 1333mhz, is there any brand in particular I should be looking at?
Right now I'm leaning towards...
2 x Corsair XMS3 2048MB Dual Channel PC10600 DDR3 1333MHz Memory (2 x 1024MB)
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3163026&sku=C13-7084

HDD
Same question here, I know I want 2 x 500 GB drives, but I don't know bout cache speed or if I should use a RAID 1 config. This is what I have picked out right now
TIGER DIRECT
2 x Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 500GB Hard Drive - 7200RPM, 32MB, SATA-300, OEM $128.97
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3564505&sku=TSD-500AS5

INFONEC COMPUTERS
2 x SAMSUNG 750GB 7200RPM SATA II 32MB CACHE (HD753LJ) $128.99
http://www.infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=351624

CPU COOLER
Lost on this one, not sure what I need or what will fit.
 
bigger cpu cooler, more heat pipes.
power supply seems kinda sketchy, look for one with good user reviews on newegg.com
 
the first 2 psu's you listed are a disaster waiting to happen. I hope I dont sound like a snob about this but when you are building a high end system like you are you CANNOT GO CHEAP ON THE PSU! :p The antec is the minimum you should go with. What you need to look at is the efficiency of the psu for starters 80% should be your minimum.
go here http://www.slizone.com/object/slizone_build_psu.html thats the sli certified psu list from nvidia and coolermaster 650w doesnt meet teh specs.
fyi you mis-read the price for the antec psu its showing @ $119.99.

Here are some quality units that wont let you down,

Antec TP3-650 TruePower Trio 650W $109.99
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=011025&cid=PS.808

Corsair TX Series TX750W 750W ATX 12V 60A $114.99 after mir
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=015709&cid=PS.808

Enermax Infiniti EIN650AWT 650W $149.99 <- this one is modular
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=013417&cid=PS.808

I found a better deal for the BFG 8800gt's $185 after mir
http://www.infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=351290

Also found a better price for the 9600gt's $144.99!!!
http://www.infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=352371

Give this a try for the cpu cooler
Zalman CPU Cooler CNPS9500A LED Pure Copper (CNPS9500A LED) $53.50
http://www.infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=352263

GL!
 
ugh, nobody to save me some typing? I'll keep it short.

Ditch DDR3... there's not enough performance improvement over DDR2 to warrant the price premium on both DDR3 RAM itself nor on the motherboard. If you get the E8400, all you need is DDR2-800. If you get the Q9300, get some DDR2-1000 sticks. You won't notice a difference between CL4 and CL5, unless you're running benchmarks (and even then, the difference is negligible), so don't pay a huge price premium for lower latency.

If you want to do SLI for your 1080P monitor, pickup an nForce 780i board. Last I remember, people were recommending the MSI P7N Platinum. If you want Crossfire, pickup an X38 or X48 board, like the Gigabyte DQ6 or DS4. If you'd rather stick to a single card solution, go with a 9800GX2 and a P35 board.

eVGA has a nice Step-Up program that lets you upgrade your card, but pay the difference, within your first 3 months of ownership. They also have a lifetime warranty that allows you to change your stock cooler. XFX has a double lifetime warranty that appeals to people who plan on reselling their card later on. BFG also has great customer service, lifetime warranty and, IIRC, a new step up program.

Read up on RAID and decide if its worth it for you. Most home users don't need RAID. RAID0 is for speed, and RAID1 is for minimal downtime. RAID is not a backup solution. RAID5 has the best fault tolerance with the least overhead, has fast read times, and better than normal write times (but not as fast as RAID0).

For HDDs, stick to the new Samsung F1 series (like the 750GB drive you chose) or any drive that uses 300GB+ platters, like the WD6400AAKS. The platter density improves speeds more than a larger cache size.

For a PSU, a Corsair 620W modular would be good if you get a single card. If you go with SLI, pickup the Thermaltake Toughpower 750W Modular (or higher). AVOID using newegg user reviews to help you decide on a PSU. Base your decision on proper PSU reviews that use A.T.E. for tests.

For a CPU Cooler, avoid the Zalman and get the ZEROtherm Nirvana, Xigmatek Rifle HDT-S1283, or Noctua NH-U12P.
 
I would recommend against RAID except mirroring (RAID1). From someone who has dealt with it: the performance gains are not worth doubling the chances of a HD failure.
 
just about vomited when I saw that apevia PSU. $110 (b4 $10 MIR) Corsair 750TX ;). Also, hossdaddy, that Antec Realpower isn't much better! The infinity is good but its outdated!

Modular PSUs are really only for looks, and since the P182 doesn't have a side pannel anyways, I wouldn't worry about it.

2nd: Tigerdirect.ca support is the suck. NCIX support is nothing to write home about (everyone working there needs a couple english classes), but its better than Tiger Directs. They're also canadian based out of Vancouver BC. Never really worked with canada computers or infonec.

The bigger the CPU cooler the better usually. Frosty Tech is the place to go for CPU cooler reviews. The thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme seems to be the best around, at a price. Ultra has a nice pelter air cooler, but its like $130

Ditch DDR3. You dont want 790i as admitted by Nvidia it has serious OC issues and it forces you on DDR3. My suggestion is an X38 or P35 based board both of which will OC just as far/further, and neither of which support SLI. In that respect however, its worth noting that ATI is going to release the new HD4k series around the beginning of June and it should outperform the current Geforce 8 and 9 series cards.

Anyways, yes, the price difference between DDR2 and DDR3 and their respective chipsets is way too big for the marginal performance benfits of DDR3 to overcome. 8 gigs of DDR2 1000 (EPP not JEDEC) can be done for $250!

With all the money you'll save (and performance you'll gain) from switching to DDR2, you can put an extra couple bucks into the CPU allowing a Q9450 to fit in the budget, doubling your L2 size!

@rockjay, Newegg doesn't ship to canada :(, not to mention if someone gets an OC they don't like, too frequently the owner will just return it to the store for a new one. The returned poor-OC one is then resold as an "open box" item.
 
Thanks for all the help so far guys!!!

MrWizard6600
Ditch DDR3. You dont want 790i as admitted by Nvidia it has serious OC issues and it forces you on DDR3. My suggestion is an X38 or P35 based board both of which will OC just as far/further, and neither of which support SLI. In that respect however, its worth noting that ATI is going to release the new HD4k series around the beginning of June and it should outperform the current Geforce 8 and 9 series cards

I do want to use SLI, so is there something other than the two you recommended that doesn't have the DDR3 issues but still allows for SLI. I found the cooler you recommended, but it doesn't have a fan, will I need to get one for it?
 
the first 2 psu's you listed are a disaster waiting to happen. I hope I dont sound like a snob about this but when you are building a high end system like you are you CANNOT GO CHEAP ON THE PSU! :p The antec is the minimum you should go with. What you need to look at is the efficiency of the psu for starters 80% should be your minimum.
go here http://www.slizone.com/object/slizone_build_psu.html thats the sli certified psu list from nvidia and coolermaster 650w doesnt meet teh specs.
fyi you mis-read the price for the antec psu its showing @ $119.99.

Here are some quality units that wont let you down,

Antec TP3-650 TruePower Trio 650W $109.99
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=011025&cid=PS.808

Corsair TX Series TX750W 750W ATX 12V 60A $114.99 after mir
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=015709&cid=PS.808

Enermax Infiniti EIN650AWT 650W $149.99 <- this one is modular
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=013417&cid=PS.808

I found a better deal for the BFG 8800gt's $185 after mir
http://www.infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=351290

Also found a better price for the 9600gt's $144.99!!!
http://www.infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=352371

Give this a try for the cpu cooler
Zalman CPU Cooler CNPS9500A LED Pure Copper (CNPS9500A LED) $53.50
http://www.infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=352263

GL!
 
Also, hossdaddy, that Antec Realpower isn't much better! The infinity is good but its outdated!
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How does a power supply become outdated? It has lots of power 57amps!, its over 80% efficient and has active pfc.

Just for the record it wasnt a realpower, its the true power trio and its on the nvidia certified psu list for 8800gt and 9600gt.
 
quadman78 said:
I do want to use SLI, so is there something other than the two you recommended that doesn't have the DDR3 issues but still allows for SLI.
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I hate quoting myself, but I guess you missed my post...

enginurd said:
ugh, nobody to save me some typing? I'll keep it short.

Ditch DDR3... there's not enough performance improvement over DDR2 to warrant the price premium on both DDR3 RAM itself nor on the motherboard. If you get the E8400, all you need is DDR2-800. If you get the Q9300, get some DDR2-1000 sticks. You won't notice a difference between CL4 and CL5, unless you're running benchmarks (and even then, the difference is negligible), so don't pay a huge price premium for lower latency.

If you want to do SLI for your 1080P monitor, pickup an nForce 780i board. Last I remember, people were recommending the MSI P7N Platinum. If you want Crossfire, pickup an X38 or X48 board, like the Gigabyte DQ6 or DS4. If you'd rather stick to a single card solution, go with a 9800GX2 and a P35 board.

eVGA has a nice Step-Up program that lets you upgrade your card, but pay the difference, within your first 3 months of ownership. They also have a lifetime warranty that allows you to change your stock cooler. XFX has a double lifetime warranty that appeals to people who plan on reselling their card later on. BFG also has great customer service, lifetime warranty and, IIRC, a new step up program.

Read up on RAID and decide if its worth it for you. Most home users don't need RAID. RAID0 is for speed, and RAID1 is for minimal downtime. RAID is not a backup solution. RAID5 has the best fault tolerance with the least overhead, has fast read times, and better than normal write times (but not as fast as RAID0).

For HDDs, stick to the new Samsung F1 series (like the 750GB drive you chose) or any drive that uses 300GB+ platters, like the WD6400AAKS. The platter density improves speeds more than a larger cache size.

For a PSU, a Corsair 620W modular would be good if you get a single card. If you go with SLI, pickup the Thermaltake Toughpower 750W Modular (or higher). AVOID using newegg user reviews to help you decide on a PSU. Base your decision on proper PSU reviews that use A.T.E. for tests.

For a CPU Cooler, avoid the Zalman and get the ZEROtherm Nirvana, Xigmatek Rifle HDT-S1283, or Noctua NH-U12P.
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All the coolers I listed perform on par with the TR Ultra120Extreme but cost less. If you'd rather get the TRUE120, pickup a Scythe S-Flex fan for it.
 
enginurd said:
I hate quoting myself, but I guess you missed my post....
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I didn't realize the difference between the platinum and the diamond. I originally had the diamond picked but it has pretty mixed reviews.

This is what I'm thinking now.

Before rebates total is $1794.76 with $90 in rebates

CASE
CANADA COMPUTERS
Antec P182 Advanced Super Mid Tower Case- Gun Metal Black $138.99
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=013501&cid=CS.664

POWER SUPPLY
NCIX.COM
Corsair TX750W 750W ATX 12V 60A 24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 120MM Fan $99.99 * after rebate
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26415&vpn=CMPSU-750TX&manufacture=CORSAIR

MOTHERBOARD
NCIX.COM
MSI P7N SLI Platinum Nforce 750I LGA775 ATX 3PCI-E16 2PCI SATA2 RAID Sound GBLAN 1394 Motherboard $185.82
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=28769&vpn=MS-7380-010&manufacture=MSI/MicroStar

CPU
INFONEC
INTEL BOX CORE 2 QUAD Q9450 2.66G 12M 1333 I64 S775 $365.00
http://www.infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=351733

GPU
2 X INFOTEC COMPUTERS
BFG 8800GT OC2 512MB GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 675Mhz Core RMADACs: Dual 400Mhz HDCP Capable $185.00
http://www.infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=351290

RAM
CANADA COMPUTERS
Corsair XMS2 Dominator TWIN2X4096-8500C5DF Matched Pairs 4GB Kit (2x2GB) PC8500 DDR2-1066 CL 5-5-5-15 240-pin Dual Channel DHX Memory w/ Fan $189.99 * AFTER REBATE
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=017688&cid=RAM.346.754

HDD
INFONEC COMPUTERS
2 x SAMSUNG 750GB 7200RPM SATA II 32MB CACHE (HD753LJ) $128.99
http://www.infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=351624

DVD RW+
SAMSUNG TRUDIRECT 20X INT. LIGHT SCRIBE W/NERO SOFTWARE & TRUDIRECT SOFTWARE $42.01
http://www.infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=352280

CPU COOLER
NCIX.COM
Zerotherm Nirvana NV120 Premium 8 Heatpipe CPU Heatsink Cooler LGA775 AM2 S939 S940 W/ 120MM Fan $59.99
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=29234&vpn=NV120&manufacture=Zerotherm

CARD READER
TIGERDIRECT
Ultra MD2 5.25" 4 Port, USB 2.0 & Card Reader Blk $34.99
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1895098&CatId=942
 
Since I am underbudget, I was thinking of upgrading the video cards to the 9800GTX. Anyone know if 2 GTX's will fit in that case? Is there a better place to spend the money?
 
You will have to remove the upper HDD bay in order to fit GTX's into the P182. There is still room for four HDD's in the lower area though.
 
quadman78 said:
I didn't realize the difference between the platinum and the diamond. I originally had the diamond picked but it has pretty mixed reviews.
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My bad, it is the Diamond people are recommending. All nForce boards will have mixed reviews. nForce boards aren't as stable/reliable as their intel counterparts, but its your only solution if you want SLI. If you'd rather avoid the possibility of problems with your motherboard, switch to a GX2 and a P35 board. I don't think the price premium on the 9800GTX is worth it over the 8800GTS 512MB.
 
hey quadman are you forgetting that will be blowing $50-100 in shipping charges by ordering from 3 different suppliers? I would suggest that you spec the complete system out from all 3 and order from the cheapest one.
 
I have the MSI P7N Diamond board, and haven't had any problems since I first built it and flashed the BIOS with a newer one. It's served me well so far.
 
I didn't notice that there was a secong page to my thread, so I started a new one...duh.

Today 04:54 PM
hossdaddy hey quadman are you forgetting that will be blowing $50-100 in shipping charges by ordering from 3 different suppliers? I would suggest that you spec the complete system out from all 3 and order from the cheapest one.
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Yeah but none of the places have all the items I want. Plus, there is a Canada Computers right down the street as well as a Tiger direct which now that I'm getting the Diamond I can get it there, the Infonec site if $14.99 flat rate shipping, I'll just have to find a different power supply at one of those three places.

Thanks to all for your help. I'm going to start picking this all up in the morning. CHEERS!:)
 
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