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Logikality- I miss something?

Sweet Logikality you took FLECOM, I'll be taking him is 2-4 days I'm hoping.

I just like picking on the big folders, we can't match them in points (yet...), so production is all we can toy with them with.
 
Damn I need to quit falling asleep. I lost three replies because of it.

I like spring break I can useually leave the machines on in some rooms because it is not noticeable that they are on.

Thank You marty I try. :)
 
now here is a good college "prank" idea

replace "panty raids" with "borging raids"


pwned!!
 
In comparison my Future Production Estimate line looks flat. :eek:

In other news I'm looking to have a record month this month. :D And with wifey's new raise I'll be getting my upgrade soon too. Yeah a 1200MHz Athlon is my primary rig right now. :(


 
Will I just got all mine light up. Time to see what they can do. I just don't know if I can catch you or not, you've got 148 active CPU's...... You just get a constant point dumps.

I know I'll take FELCOM, hopefully, but I was not expecting you to come along. Ohh well, I guess this is a good thing,,,sort of,,, :D

We broke that Flogmeter good and proper, I've been wanting this team to do that ever since I started folding.


ps, sweet long term borg FELCOM you got there. You have had that going for some time now. For a long time more hopefully!
 
marty9876 said:
Will I just got all mine light up. Time to see what they can do. I just don't know if I can catch you or not, you've got 148 active CPU's...... You just get a constant point dumps.

I know I'll take FELCOM, hopefully, but I was not expecting you to come along. Ohh well, I guess this is a good thing,,,sort of,,, :D

We broke that Flogmeter good and proper, I've been wanting this team to do that ever since I started folding.


ps, sweet long term borg FELCOM you got there. You have had that going for some time now. For a long time more hopefully!
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you have to give my average time to go up, since ive been folding for so long the EOC site takes a while to start upping my average production...

and all of my original borgs are long gone, i just kept borging whatever i had access to, now i just have access to an insane amount of machines :p

u_45185
 
marty9876 said:
Sweet Logikality you took FLECOM, I'll be taking him is 2-4 days I'm hoping.

I just like picking on the big folders, we can't match them in points (yet...), so production is all we can toy with them with.
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just gives me more time to toy back :p

256 Logikality 8,971 12,136 50,717 75,710 -250 1,258,628 -1,017 08.06.08, 1pm / 1238 Days
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ya i got time :p

trust me when you start getting to the top 10 it takes a long time for anyone to move up or down

u_45185
 
I'd be there in half the time if I could just borg the teachers computers. Its not like they use them at night even though they leave them on.
 
FLECOM said:
just gives me more time to toy back :p



ya i got time :p

trust me when you start getting to the top 10 it takes a long time for anyone to move up or down

u_45185
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Moving down is getting to be a hell of a lot easier than moving up for most of us. :( :)
 
Logikality said:
I'd be there in half the time if I could just borg the teachers computers. Its not like they use them at night even though they leave them on.
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are you deploying this via some sort of package or going to each machine and installing it?
 
Good old FLECOM, almost caught him.......once, a long time ago. Way to go dude! ;)
 
I am using a startup script that copies the client and config files to the machine and add a registry key to start the client.

edit woohoo

edit2 Forgot to mention I am using Group Policy 2000 to push the changes onto Windows XP Pro machines. I used the policy to force an update every reboot like in Windows 2000.
 
marty9876 said:
Windows task manager will report 50% being used while actually 100% of the cpu is being used. Windows reports cpu usage on HT processors incorectly to my knowledge.
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Sorry for the thread hijack, is this really true? If so, I am completely relieved, the two Intel HTs I have at work only show 50% CPU in task manager even know they have been set up for 100% cpu usage. AMD at home shows 100% like a good little boxen.
 
Yep, it reports total usage / total available, and intels with HT show up as two processors of the same speed, and only one is used -> 1/2 usage.
 
to make sure we're clear for anybody who wants to borg another's machine (work, gf, whatever) to avoid issues...
IMHO: 1 = have permission. after that:

Only 1 instance per machine.. even with HT procs.. memory usage is climbing higher and higher.. and THAT is a thing that slows systems down. (esp on a dual or quad system.. ouch, 800 megs for folding?!?!)

100% proc is ok.

Don't use advmethods or say "yes" to bigpackets.. unless they have 100's of megs of extra ram. right now big packets can use well over 100 megs.. I'd rather get less points and hold the borg than have them notice it acting "sluggish" and complain / kill it.

(I have 512 in my box and it REALLY slows down some stuff now with QMD or whatever units.) .... I hope they DON'T release that crazy crap on the general populus.. I don't want to have to remove it from basic "office" systems from it causing slow down issues for publisher projects, and such :(

 
unhappy_mage said:
Yep, it reports total usage / total available, and intels with HT show up as two processors of the same speed, and only one is used -> 1/2 usage.
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OK, this begs the question (and yet another thread hijack, sorry), is there any way to "use" the 2nd processor? Or another way to phrase it, is the processor really working at 50% or is this a reporting error?

2nd question - are big work units really worth it? The rig I would consider running them on is an AMD 2600 with 1gig of RAM. I tried to get the big units to load but Stanford wouldn't send them.

 
m4yh3m said:
OK, this begs the question (and yet another thread hijack, sorry), is there any way to "use" the 2nd processor? Or another way to phrase it, is the processor really working at 50% or is this a reporting error?

2nd question - are big work units really worth it? The rig I would consider running them on is an AMD 2600 with 1gig of RAM. I tried to get the big units to load but Stanford wouldn't send them.

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You can run 2 clients to use the psudeo proccesor created by HT.

Big units are definatly worth it(.....I sound like a female....no really size doesnt matter, right Hito... :D )


Thanks xENo!!!
 
Mayhem33 said:
You can run 2 clients to use the psudeo proccesor created by HT.

Big units are definatly worth it(.....I sound like a female....no really size doesnt matter, right Hito... :D )


Thanks xENo!!!
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Sweet, I have two HT rigs at work, this should boost my output a bit. Since I am running the console via service, I assume i just need to run the 2nd instance with -configonly and ensure the box number is different than the first instance right?


 
Damn and I thought I climbed fast going from nothing to 200 in like three months. He's now on my threat list for two days from now!
 
Over 10,000 ppd now. Logikality, you are a [H]orde god now. Few people have the ability to blow FLECOM out of the water :D
 
Wish I had seen you pass me by. It would have been interesting seeing my production estimate flatlined.
 
m4yh3m said:
Sweet, I have two HT rigs at work, this should boost my output a bit. Since I am running the console via service, I assume i just need to run the 2nd instance with -configonly and ensure the box number is different than the first instance right?


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I think the switch you are after is -local, and yes the 2 instances must be numbered differently.
Good luck!


Thanks xENo!!!
 
Hito Bahadur said:
Wish I had seen you pass me by. It would have been interesting seeing my production estimate flatlined.
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I don't have that much production but I saw it with mine. My line was not a pretty sight, although his was a thing of beauty. :D

 
As far as I've gathered in the Folding-community.org running 2 FAH client's on a P4 with HT is a very debatable issue and no agrement has been reached.

But I will give you a summary of the stuff I've learned.

The reason taskmanager only shows 50% load is because it does a simple division by number of CPU's to give you an idea of the load on your whole system, problem is that it doesn't actually tells the truth on a HT CPU (a hint look at System idle, if the CPU was only at 50% load the rest should be used up by System idle). So running one FAH client that request 100% cpu will only show up as 50% on a HT CPU.

Since the 2nd CPU on a HT enabled CPU is virtual it's possible to run 2 FAH clients on one HT CPU. But since the clients have same priority they will just be waiting for the other to finish(controlled by the OS CPU scheduler), that's is mostly true with WU that uses any form of SSE.

The official stanford stand is that on HT CPU's you should only run 1 FAH client.
Mainly because it hurts their science, a WU that is returned fast is more worth for them.

And by running 2 FAH you slow them both to app. CPU-Speed/2 so they will take longer to complete(and hence longer return time).

Anyways the descision is up to you, but please keep this in mind.

A side note, on small workstations even HT machines my experience is that 1 FAH client at 95% is almost undetecable by the users.

 
What EinsteiN has said is true, but this topic HT has been thrashed to death!
Stanfords official stand on this issue is....ALL work is greatly appreciated!

This just means that it is up to the individual to decide what is best for them! ;)


Thanks xENo!!!
 
Einstein and Mayhem33 (and everybody else), thanks for the info on the HT issue. After doing a bit of poking around over at Stanford, Vijay pretty much sums up the situation with this:


Here are several options:

1) If you care primarily about points, running 2 procs on HT is still the best bet. We are grateful for all contributions and if people choose to run 2 procs on HT, our approach is that all contributions are welcome.

2) If you care about the science foremost and are interested in our recommendations, then do not run 2 procs on HT, but please just run one process. That won't be best for points, but is best for the science.

3) If your machine cannot make the deadlines, then one should run the timeless WUs.
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I like points and I like doing units fast, so I am going to double up one of my HT rigs and leave the other with one client.

 
m4yh3m said:
Einstein and Mayhem33 (and everybody else), thanks for the info on the HT issue. After doing a bit of poking around over at Stanford, Vijay pretty much sums up the situation with this:




I like points and I like doing units fast, so I am going to double up one of my HT rigs and leave the other with one client.

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Good luck and happy folding!


Thanks xENo!!!
 
I've been reading some of ocau's forums and their all worried about you Logikality :D
 
that's the stuff, Logikality. Scare the [H]ell out of them Aussies. btw if they offer you anything to fold for them, the [H]orde will double it. :D
 
magnusvir said:
that's the stuff, Logikality. Scare the [H]ell out of them Aussies. btw if they offer you anything to fold for them, the [H]orde will double it. :D
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actually, you should take their offer and buy more boxen with it.



THEN the [H]orde will double it.

 
WTF I haven't even looked at the forum the last couple days and haven't even been over to OCAU in a week, and I'm already being offered boxen. hahaha

Well its a good offer, but I will have to decline it for the moment. I don't have room or power. When I get the time to fix up my grandpa's old shed I will put power and a few blowers out there and a nice big farm. Someone mentioned the Celeron D 3.06 the other day, any idea if its a good choice or not?
 
Logikality said:
WTF I haven't even looked at the forum the last couple days and haven't even been over to OCAU in a week, and I'm already being offered boxen. hahaha

Well its a good offer, but I will have to decline it for the moment. I don't have room or power. When I get the time to fix up my grandpa's old shed I will put power and a few blowers out there and a nice big farm. Someone mentioned the Celeron D 3.06 the other day, any idea if its a good choice or not?
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Should be......L2 cache doesn't make much of a diffence, if at all.
 
Logikality said:
Cool, I heard they overclock well over 4ghz.
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I'm on a quest to OD one to 5 gzh, not sure if this is gonna happen... On paying the power bill, AMD might be the way to go.

Well I'm right on your toes, 200 PPD more and I should be spanking you!!!!!

Just took down 5 gzh, that don't help any....
 
So you're on his toes, and spanking him? How does that work, anatomically-wise-speaking?

Wait, never mind :eek: I don't want to know.
 
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